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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:36 PM
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anyone else doing atkins?
i started this morning, i'll be on it till thanksgiving, then off for the gluttonous pig out. then i'll go back on for xmas, i need to recapture my former studly buffed out body!!


let's give each other some support

:grouphug:
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Crowdance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:43 PM
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1. How about South Beach--Atkins with vegetables?
It's the only way for us non-meat-eaters to keto without qualms.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:52 PM
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3. eh?
how the hell do you do atkins without eating meat?
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:58 PM
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27. Atkins has plenty of vegetables-that's a common misunderstanding
Only during induction are you limited to three cups of veggies a day. I generally ate more than that and still lost 30 lbs. I still eat modified Atkins. I need to lose about 15 more lbs.
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TopesJunkie Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:48 PM
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28. Sort of...
In truth, it's often misunderstand by those who "go on Atkins" more than those who criticize it. At any rate, based on the current science, it's clear that Atkins had some fine ideas that date back to the '70s, but nutrition science has passed the diet by. Unfortunately, pop culture caught up to it, and now it's more popular than ever -- just when it should definitely be passe. Check out Harvard Health sites for just about the most unbiased, science-based info on nutrition and diet.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:14 PM
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29. complex carbs allowed on South Beach
but only after the first 2 weeks.

As opposed to eliminating all carbs, South Beach differentiates between good carbs (those high in fiber and w/ a lower glycemic index) versus bad carbs (processed and "enriched" stuff) and also between good fats and bad fats.

I'm on day 3 of South Beach. I have to admit, I'd like a slice of bread w/ my salad today, but I'm holding off. After only 2 days on this diet, I've lost 5 lbs. No reason to completely blow a pretty good start.
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:52 PM
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2. I'm on atkins
I lost for a while, then hit a really big plateau where I didn't lose anything. I was eating a lot of salads with tons of nuts and blue cheese. I cut out cheese and vinegar, and now I'm back to losing!

I'm eating pretty well too. I'm eating whipped cream right now. I make my own ice cream which is pretty good. I eat pancakes a lot, with tons of butter. You can get decent mixes to make pancakes, muffins, pizza dough and a lot of other stuff. Tonight for dinner I had turkey with low carb stuffing, which was great.

It's nice to look in the mirror and think it looks like me, instead of wondering who that bloated unhappy looking person is.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:53 PM
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4. Been low carb for more than three years
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 09:59 PM by Marianne
and lost about one hundred pounds. Also diabetic--so need to continue this way of life for the rest of my life. It is not really bad at all, imo. I just recently purchased the Atkins book "Atkins for Life". I think I am a person who at this point really needs a print out of a daily meal plan--if not, i tend to go astray, although I do not stray too far it is still "straying"--I tend to buy and eat the low carb stuff that is coming out ever the more so--the candy bars, the bread, the cereals etc. but, will eat them in excess if I buy them and they are in the house. There is a new diet club I have seen in my travels called "Curves". Apparently , from the information a woman I met while buying low carb stuff in a health food store, these are springing up all over and are using the lo carb approach and all of the new products that are connected to the low carb Atkins diet.

I did lose a lot of weight on the low carb diet and it was not an agony, and have not gained back much of it until i gave up smoking six months ago--then I gained back twenty pounds----without ever eating a single grain of sugar, or a single bit of pizza or bread or pasta or rice or potato or anything but low carb stuff that I bought--such as candy bars and cookies that were advertised to be lo carb. I ate them a lot!!! My blood sugars were in control much of the time on this diet though. Because of my age,(ancient) though, my cholesterol levels(238) were a little askew. Dunno why--bacon and eggs ? every morning? I had a good ratio between the good and the bad cholesterol though the good being something really high--so I may not be in such bad shape. I am of the opinion that Americans eat entirely too much food and think they deserve to do so-and also that we eat too much sugar. There is sugar in almost everything, it seems, if you read the labels of the foods you buy.
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TheZoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:53 PM
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5. I started two weeks
I've lost a few pounds, nothing major - I'm not 100% dedicated to it, but at least I'm eating regularly.

I am finding that I'm not liking all the junk food that I ate before. I also found that I'm becoming a cook despite myself. I found my dehydrator and jerk kit, so I've been able to make beef jerky for $3.00 / lb to snack on. I'm almost proud of myself :-)
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:59 PM
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8. do you have to have a dehydrator?
i'd like to make some jerky but i dont have a dehydrator..


i'm just hoping to get some weight off so can start lifting again.. a complete and total lack of energy is my main barrier. It's amazing how easy it is to take fitness for granted, i used to be a triathlete and really thought nothing of it at the time.
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:56 PM
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6. Atkins works I lost 100 pounds on it
But I gained my weight back plus more before I had my bypass surgery.

It's a good diet by you will crave things that you can't have.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:56 PM
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7. I'm doing the anti-atkins...
Veganism :)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:00 PM
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9. I do atkins
and lost about 30 lbs on it over the last year.

I've been in the maintenance phase for about the last 5 months. But lately (last couple of weeks) I've started to backside and eat bread and rice too often during a week. I need to spend a week or two back on induction.

Atkins is a great way to eat. I never feel deprived or like I haven't eaten enough veggies, b/c I do.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:20 PM
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10. I've been doing it since January
I eat plenty of veggies, just very little fruit. I don't eat much red meat either. More chicken and fish with veggies cooked in olive oil. I've lost over 40 pounds (which most was put on with my last baby). I allow myself off of it for one weekend a month and then go back to induction. Actually, I have to stay quite low on the carbs to keep losing (most of my carb intake comes from nuts or soy products), but I don't really care. When I eat like this, I don't think about food and feel better. My cholesterol dropped 80(!) points. I need to lose about 25 more though, but I don't think it will be a problem with how I'm doing, but it might take another 6 -12 months, but again, doesn't matter. I don't mind eating the way I do at all.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:24 PM
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11. I started around labor day...hit my goal really quickly
dropped 25 lbs in less than a month just by laying off pop and potatoes. I was a major mountain dew addict before I started.

A fringe benefit...my skin looks like it did when I was 16...no blemishes at all anymore.

Processed carbs are bad for your body in many ways...and you will notice that after a week of feeling lethargic, you will actually feel more energized as you come off the carbs.

I am at a balanced spot now...I added whole wheats back to my intake slowly and am maintaining my weight.
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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:25 PM
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12. yeah, and she's pretty damn good
I didn't know she was sleeping around though, that hussy.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:43 PM
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13. Try the Chet Atkins...
Whenever you feel the urge to eat, practice the guitar instead ;)
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:47 PM
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14. hehe
i owned a chet tennessean for a while, i wish i had never sold it. what a sweet guitar it was..



sounds wicked through a rivera and a 4x12 too, although i don't think that's what chet had in mind at the time :evilgrin:
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 03:32 AM
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15. What about the Zone?
I tried it for a bit, and it seemed to work, but then "crunch time" hit at my (previous) workplace, and there wasn't time for anything other than hacker fast-food or fasting...

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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 03:34 AM
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16. most definitely
...all the food I can buy at the Atkins High School concession stand at the football game. Frito-Pies, funnel cake... mmmmmm

I am from RED DEVIL COUNTRY! where all other concession stands are inferior!

hehe... seriously though.. most of the other choir directors in the state use Atkins diet for maintenance. We usually all have to go on it after summer convention to burn off all the beer and German food :)

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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 03:37 AM
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17. He's dead
which makes this the sickest thread I have ever seen.

Unless you meant something else...
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 07:11 AM
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19. Guffaw
That was a beauty!

You owe me a new monitor ;-).
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 03:41 AM
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18. Lost 3 sizes now
We're doing it at Thanksgiving too, pretty much. Splenda Pumpkin Cheesecake. No candies and cookies. Meat & cheese type snacks. It won't be all Atkins, but I don't do it 100% anyway. My doctor recommended keeping complex carbs and following the rest of the diet. So that's pretty much how we do it. Working great!
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:13 PM
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32. Any chance you could PM me that recipe?
I'd love to try it.
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 07:14 AM
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20. Atkin's
works great as long as you give yourself non-carb energy suppliments aka Creatine.

Or else you get drained, nose bleeds, head aches, extreme fatigue, insatiable hunger etc
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:13 AM
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21. uh, atkins on thanksgiving is...
silly imo..


just go off for a day, trust me. life is too short.
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:53 PM
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22. Doesn't a Red Light go off in your head?
How can I be the only one that doesn't see anything wrong with these diets? When you have all these side-effects and supplements that go along with those diets that play-tricks-on-the-body to get it to loss weight?
Exercise and eat less...
Exercies and eat less...
Exercise and eat less...

It's REALLY tough, Lord knows I have a hard time doing just that, but its what you are supposed to do to lose weight. No drugs(except maybe green tea tabs and a multi), no high protein(hard on kidneys and the whole body for that fact), no high carb --just a BALANCED diet of more whole foods than processed foods.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:08 PM
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24. Yup.
The hard-science says portion size is the biggest key to losing weight. Over and over and over again. And, yes, exercise is right up there. It's other health benefits are well known, too, of course.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:06 PM
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23. Perhaps of interest...
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:43 PM
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25. Not me
vegetarian here, and I don't have any weight issues, except trying to keep enough of it on :-) Good luck though! I know a lot of people who have lost weight on the Atkins diet and they swear by it!
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:53 PM
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26. what many of these studies fail to address..
is that many overweight people are that way due to emotional issues, and diets are one way to correct that, even if for a short period of time. also if you drink alot of fluids kidney issues are avoided, or at least minimized. i never do the atkins for more than 6 weeks at a time to avoid any long term problems.

if you really want to get technical, atkins, at least in the maintenance phase, is more closely aligned with what the body would experience before farming and civilization altered our diets to the current state. i do eat quite alot of vegetables on the diet, as well as a large variety of meats. last time i had my cholesterol checked, it was 220 something, which is just fine.. i know it's on the high range, but it certainly isn't a dangerous level.


all that said, i want to eat a dozen krispy kremes!!

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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:08 PM
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30. The other issue is ability to balance proper exercise and diet
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 03:10 PM by haele
I come from a family of genetically "curvy" (averaging around 40 lbs above what's now considered "normal", to be honest) but long lived, healthy people; good farm stock - smallish, broad frames, lots of fat storage to keep going.
Basically, my father's family was built for long periods of slow, heavy, physical labor, not for sitting at a desk or sprinting about getting things done, which is more or less what I'm doing now. (especially since my leg is screwed up and I'm on limited duty...) Mom's family tends towards the more acceptable runner's or "greyhound" look, but that's not the genes I got. I spent most of my Navy career fighting the apperance of the "body fat" issue (even though I was not obese, but was healthy, strong and active, just because I didn't look as good in uniform as Petty Officer Modelina Runningduringlunch (apologies to any native Americans who might be offended by my use of that type tag) who could barely pick up her own nail file after 1330 when she came back.

Anyway, I digress -

My point is that modern life, especially cubicle life or commuter life, where a person will spend at least 10 - 12 hours away from family and home without the ability to spend an hour or so off to exercise even 30 minutes, creates a lot of minor obesity that a modified eating plan such as Atkins with higher proteins (including vegetable protiens such as soy and nuts for the vegetarian types) higher amounts of healthy fats and less complex carbohydrates will supply enough calories to function in public - including the ability to drive in traffic for an hour or two on your commute - without having a weight issue.
And then, of course, they come back home, exhausted, spend a bit of time with the partner and kids - then go to bed. Or worse, have to go to a second or third job...
How many dieters out there have this sort of life?
I've tried "lower calories/more excersise" - it only works when you have the ability to do cardio excersises for at least two complete sessions of 20 minutes a day. No "stop and go" type "let's walk around the cubicle space" or taking the stairs vice the elevator on a regular basis exercise - which is healthy in terms of maintaining weight, but doesn't burn as much calories as you need to to actually loose weight.
Even then, one finds that it's mainly water weight one loses until about six to eight months down the way.
Every doctor and nutritionalist I've dealt with about a no-suppliment "lower calories/more cardio-exercise" type regieme tells me that it's good if you want to loose 20 real pounds in a year, with that initial 10 - 15 pounds of water weight to get you going. Meaning that for most office worker types, one should only take in 2500 calories to 30 minutes of constant execise a day with a raise of caloric intake at a 1 in for 2 out the more or less amount of calorie burning you do. That's the rule of thumb for healthy dietary change for weight loss for the normal urban dweller that doesn't do heavy physical labor on a regular basis using that method.

Unfortunatly, most people want (for whatever reason - looks or health) to loose more weight, or loose weight quicker, the average person finds themselves taking in an unhealthy low amount of calories on that sort of diet; usually 2000 less to loose the weight with a minimum of 30 minutes sporatic exercise.
When one does that, one actually ends up loosing less weight along with feeling like crap and screwing up the body because a normal metabolism recognises a decrease of calories as an indication of a possible starvation scenario, and stops buring calories at a normal rate as well as slowing down body functions to try and keep you alive. No matter what sort of vitamin/mineral/complex supplements you take, no matter if you take that shake religiously for lunch and breakfast, your body thinks it's starving.

What a diet such as Atkins does is let you do is to initally go into ketosis - carbohydrate depletion for quicker or greater weight loss, while not triggering the part of the caloric intake reaction that shuts down body functions by using protiens and healthy fats to simulate carbohydrates.

For those who can't exercise regularly, don't do heavy physical labor, or are on some sort of disability (including mental, such as bi-polar), the initial induction phase of Atkins usually gives them enough of a "head start" in the weight loss without feeling too shitty, that they have a better experiance maintaining with simpler, more healthy low calorie/carb diet that they can tailor to their lifestyle without supplements or special foods.

The thing most people I know who do Atkins or talk about Atkins as a "diet" is don't really understand is that the "diet" after the induction phase actually nothing more than just another "health conscious" cook book that stresses checking with one's doctor if there's a possiblity of health issues. Ultimatly, it's a lifestyle change of smaller portions, home-made healthy meals, less unhealthy processed fats and sugars, and more exercise, even if it's just walking the dog and gardening more regularly. That's what Atkins recommends in all the books I've read.

For some reason, the 2 to 3 month induction period is what hangs up most people who talk about Atkins. "Ooooh, can't do that fad thing, look at all those supplimental crutches and all those food restrictions!"

Heck, most real medical specialist in weight loss/obesity generally do the same thing as Atkins; most of the difference I see is the difference in flexibility on how they structure their weight loss; some prefer more carbs but less calories and more supplements which tends to bring about a slower weight loss, some prefer a quicker shock to the system...

But ultimatly, it comes down to a metabolistic YMMV and the personal preferance.

Personally, (and digressing a bit more) I'm just going to have to realise that no matter what I do, I'll still have more curves than the average woman my age. I diet to stay healthy and within a comfortable weight range, since with my screwed up leg, I can't exercise the way I should for my body type anymore. And Atkins post-induction (with just a couple weeks induction if I cheat with the 7-11 apple fritters and filled doughnuts for breakfast too many times) works just great; it's almost exactly what my great-grandparents ate back in 1910's Missouri between harvest and planting as they dropped their work level - and they lived healthy and active up into their 90's and 100's.

Off my soapbox.

Haele


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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:10 PM
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31. I've been low-carb for 6 years
It's a lifestyle change, not a diet. It certainly works though...lost 37 pounds and kept it off.
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