Why do the hurricanes hate America?? I mean... wtf is going on here

[HysteryDiagnosis]

people.... someone needs to relate this to global warming (if it is related) and get it out in the open. We can't continue to afford to make wars if we are going to have to clean up the incredible destruction we are going to be faced with if things continue as they are.

If there is a link to the warming of the oceans... (I imagine it doesn't take much to increase the prevalence of hurricane development) then someone needs to kick this administration in the ass and get them to actually do something about it and not just pay it lip service.

[Scottie72]

1. Part of it has been

I think we have been in a low of hurricanes the last 30 years or so, and now we are only increasing the amount. Our population has a love affair with the coast so there is more destruction and death due to these storms. There very well can be so relation to global warming but I am not yet convinced.

[candy]

2. Just weather cycles-----constantly changing.

[shoelace414]

3. Global warming is Real and is happening now

but there can never be a direct correlation between anything and weather.. there are just too many variables.

[benburch]

4. But most of the computer models have predicted this.

And so when the models predict reality, we can presume that the conditions of the model match reality, i.e. warmer oceans and atmosphere.

[shoelace414]

7. ok.. yes

I guess saying July Hurricanes are because of Global Warming is probably true.. but direct correlation is hard.. now I'm trying not to muddy the waters here.. Global Warming is real and causing bad things.. including probably the early hurricane season.

[Coastie for Truth]

14. Don't sweat the small stuff

See the Sydney Harris cartoon in my append #13 -- and buy a copy of "MatLab"

[HysteryDiagnosis]

6. There is something called the butterfly effect... and warming the

oceans a degree or two.... reduces the latent heat heat of vaporization.... which is a considerable amount of energy... as it takes 1 BTU to raise 1 pound of water 1 degree.... and there are a whole lot of gallons out there.... which amounts to many many btu's of energy.... I just wonder about these sorts of things....

This is from NOAA, they should have a handle on it....


http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

Global Warming and Hurricanes

The strongest hurricanes in the present climate may be upstaged by even more intense hurricanes over the next century as the earth's climate is warmed by increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Although we cannot say at present whether more or fewer hurricane will occur in the future with global warming, the hurricanes that do occur near the end of the 21st century are expected to be stronger and have significantly more intense rainfall than under present day climate conditions. This expectation (Figure 1) is based on an anticipated enhancement of energy available to the storms due to higher tropical sea surface temperatures.

[Coastie for Truth]

15. That's why God caused computer jocks to evolve

from chimpanzees and allowed beach sand to be made into computer chips. She really is a smart old Grandma.

[Double T]

5. This is another example of the republican's great love for America...

global warming that is changing the climates throughout the world COULD NEVER be responsible for the dramatic increase in Atlantic Tropical Storms and Hurricanes that are destroying Florida. The republicans told us not to be concerned with global warming because it does not exist, so I believe them, it must be true!!!!

[Deja Q]

8. The terrorists need to be stopped! * will fund weather control next...

Which is just as rational as 'star wars' was.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. From the NOAA link.....

An implication of these studies is that if the frequency of tropical cyclones remains the same over the coming century, a greenhouse-gas induced warming may lead to a gradually increasing risk in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms.


And as far as the butterfly effect goes.... it's a novel idea, however I am not going to get on board with it.... not at all. Too many butterflies.... they would cancel each other out.


For a most excellent collage, collection on recent Florida hurricanes.... check this out... it is complete.

http://www.greatdreams.com/weather/hurricane-frances.htm

[Zuni]

10. There are Hurricane cycles every couple of decades

every couple of decades we get a peak cycle when the storms are more intense and frequent

[HysteryDiagnosis]

11. Read the post just before this one... I mean yours.... from NOAA

[ghostsofgiants]

12. Just because they're playing a traditionally Canadian sport...

Doesn't mean they hate America.

[Coastie for Truth]

13. Remember Sidney Harris' "Then A Miracle Happens" cartoon ?

Some years ago (1993? -1994?) I made the mistake of walking into a conference on "Computer Methods in Weather Forecasting" - this was NOT the neatly coiffed guys and gals on the 11PM news -- this was the Max Mayfield types and the computer jocks who supported them.

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Start with Matrices of Second Order Partial Differential Equations--

Yup - imaginary numbers and trig functions and Fourier Transforms --- bleccch

Where Bondary Conditions are "stochastic" (i.e., statistics, not single values numbers but statistical distributions)


And the equations are in Rho, Omega, Theta, Tau co-ordinate space (a sphere where stuff is changing with time)

Requires a main frame server --- and lots and lots and lots of CODE.

Bottom line - yes -QUALITATIVELY and MECHANISTICALLY - it is Global Warming and the Green House Effect.

Now solve for the QUANTITATIVE effect on any given tropical depression on ny given day anyplace in the world.


As my Freshman calculus professor used to say with a chuckle NON TRIVIAL

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. Rho, Omega, Theta, Tau

faternities have to do with some rather nasty winds?? Great cartoon.... loved it. lol.

[Coastie for Truth]

17. Nope not frats

spherical co-ordinates for a time dependent partial differential equation (I'm so old, I went to school before PC's - we used punch cards and had one undergraduate program run every 24 hours - if we were lucky)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. I was kidding... but I didn't make it obvious enough.. I am impressed

with your jargon.... are/were you an engineer??

[Coastie for Truth]

19. Yes. (Semi-retired) - NT