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Fri Jul-22-05 11:28 PM
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You know I'm on your side.
You know I'll be your last friend left when everyone else has deserted you.
So listen to me: Lighten up, would you?.
Please?
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:31 PM
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1. are you telling me to lose weight? |
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:38 PM
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4. Oh, no, you're fine with me however you are. |
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If you want to lose weight, go ahead and do so. If not, that's OK with me, as long as it's OK with you.
It's not my place to judge.
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:31 PM
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2. Hey, I'm cool witch ya... |
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You do something to piss off the lassies?
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:41 PM
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6. No, somebody else did. But I don't think he meant to. |
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Though I could be wrong. Have been once or twice before.
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:34 PM
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3. I'm not sure what you're referring to, my dear Redstone... |
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But I'll take any excuse to come over and say "hi!" How was the storm/light show tonight?
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:39 PM
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5. Now wait a minute... are you actually saying "Lighten up" ?? |
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Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 11:40 PM by Misunderestimator
Because ... maybe I missed something, but that sounds pretty damn condescending.
On edit... please tell me this is a copycat or something...
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:42 PM
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7. maybe he meant we are all so cute that he wants more lights on |
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the better to see us with, my dear?
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:52 PM
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12. Yeah... that's a possibility. |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:10 AM
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19. Just wanted to say hi |
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So how are you doing, Misunderestimator? It's getting a little late for me, I'm going to crash out in a bit. Have a good night.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:00 AM
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:10 AM
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18. hey WB! Don't know why everybody is so hostile tonight. |
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I shoulda had the whole lounge over for wine, cheese and giggles. Had a grand evening since you scared the hiccups outta me!
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:13 AM
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20. Hostility follows me sometimes |
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It turns out I wasn't as funny as I thought, haha.
Yeah, I even scared myself. I may never get hiccups again after typing that stuff out. I could use some wine now that you mention it.
Hi right back at you, Havocmom. :hi:
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Sat Jul-23-05 07:05 AM
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47. Did you make someone mad again? |
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:rofl: You seem to be good at that.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:29 PM
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Just commenting on the wild threads out tonight. :) Or last night I should say. But, see you're my buddy now. :)
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:30 PM
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I'm just messin with ya. And I wasn't here for last night's crazy threads. Too busy being sick :puke: but I'm better now, mostly.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:32 PM
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73. glad to see you're better |
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I was a little sick this morning. Ended up sleeping in a little.
Mainly just tired I think. :)
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:45 PM
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I've been sick all week. Today is the first day I've been able to get out of bed!
I hope you're not getting sick!
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Sat Jul-23-05 03:44 PM
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77. no, I'm not getting sick |
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Thank God! Just a little exhausted and stressed out. Getting ready to go back to school, plus preparing to run for office and move all the way back to Montana, then I have some writing to do etc. I'm used to being lazy, now all of a sudden I'm getting busy again. :)
Well, I hope you feel better. Once you are able to get out of bed again, the tough part is over. Just take care of yourself, eat healthy and stay rested. :)
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:25 AM
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53. Hostility follows you? |
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You have no part in it at all? It just sort of follows you? :hi:
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:33 AM
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i'm just putting together a set of music for this afternoon. :)
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:51 AM
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59. I'm looking forward to it!! |
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I always wake up NSMA five minutes before your show starts... :)
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:31 PM
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72. oh no I didn't mean that |
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Just the threads tonight. Sort of a joke between Havocmom and I. We always seem to meet up on flame threads. It's not what you think, honest.
I have plenty to do with the stuff you're thinking about though. I know that. :)
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Sat Jul-23-05 05:25 PM
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80. Ok... I'll keep my eye on you... |
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Mon Jul-25-05 01:31 AM
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88. I know that's why I have been on my best behavior |
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Which as it turns out, isn't too bad. Not too good, but not too bad. :)
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:43 PM
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:47 PM
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:44 PM
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9. PM me with what you really want to ask. |
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Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 12:27 AM by Redstone
Because I don't understand your post, and you and I should not misunderstand each other.
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:51 PM
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11. No, I have no reason to PM you... my question was ... (edited) |
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Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 11:55 PM by Misunderestimator
Why are you asking us to "lighten up?"
I think that is pretty straightforward.
To be clear:
DU women: You know me.
You know I'm on your side.
You know I'll be your last friend left when everyone else has deserted you.
So listen to me: Lighten up, would you?.
What does that mean?
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:06 AM
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15. It was about the thread with the picture of the |
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Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 12:15 AM by Redstone
remote control.
I thought the poster was being sarcastic, but apparently that was not his intention, given the reaction.
I defer to popular opinion, and withdraw my case.
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Fri Jul-22-05 11:58 PM
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13. Well, let's go ahead and give this thread the mercy killing |
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that it deserves.
I do apologize. I've spent the evening being a PTSD counselor which, although I'm good at it, is not something I've aspired to, especially given that but for the grace of God and a large amount of born obliviousness, I'd be on the receiving rather than the giving end of it.
Not that I'm complaining.
You all are entitled to be as offended as you wish to be at whatever you wish to be offended.
Never mind what I said.
I gotta go.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:07 AM
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16. i love you redstone, really i do. |
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maybe some time we can talk about all this over a nice cold beer.
this has been a bad week for the DU women. i don't think we're being all that over-sensitive.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:10 AM
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17. A bad week for DU men too |
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A bad week for anyone who hates to see anyone getting put down.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:17 AM
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21. that's cool - i can see that |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:23 AM
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23. progmom: Thank you for saying that. |
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Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 12:26 AM by Redstone
One can never hear those words enough times.
There are layers and layers of complexities in all of our lives, and a nice cold beer would be a perfect venue to trade mine for yours. I'd like that.
Even if mine would give you the willies, which would be almost guaranteed.
I've not been here that much in the last week because of, well, see my previous post about PTSD counseling, and did not realize that there was some amount of misogynism going on.
I am so weary. I have to go.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:24 AM
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24. I prefer the non-sexist |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:29 AM
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25. Don't start that shit, please. I was trying to be serious here. |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:34 AM
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26. Are you trying to call me out |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:42 AM
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29. OK, OK. There are nights when even I am just not |
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in the mood for humor. thnis is one of them.
Didn't mean to piss on your parade, and all that. We'll talk later.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:45 AM
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Feeling oppressed by the matriarchy?
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:48 AM
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:50 AM
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33. Well, I guess it's a waste of time to try to actually |
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So I won't try anymore.
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:53 AM
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34. you are replying to the wrong person here.n/t |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:57 AM
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35. No, I was replying to XemaSab. |
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Sat Jul-23-05 01:02 AM
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37. Well, Dear Redstone, my "yes" reply actually meant that I , as a woman, |
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WAS actually feeling repressed by the matriarchy here, so once again we have different interpretations of the written word. I'm on your side don't make me hit you upside the head!
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Sat Jul-23-05 01:06 AM
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38. If you want to hit me upside the head, can you |
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schedule it for about 7:00 AM tomorrow? (Actually later this morning.)
I'd appreciate that because I have a bunch of work to do, and the alarm clock doesn't always get my attention.
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Sat Jul-23-05 01:13 AM
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39. I don't really want to, but I am looking forward to hearing why womyn |
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are jumping all over a man making a plea for peace. Anyhoo, 7:00am is too early for my beautiful mind!
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41. Up There. Just look. n/t |
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Sat Jul-23-05 01:21 AM
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42. that, i think, was meant as a joke |
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43. Perhaps, I'm not savvy to the innuendo, mayhap? |
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44. i'm just judging from redstone's reaction to it. |
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Sat Jul-23-05 01:38 AM
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46. OK, If you will, look at my first response to Redstone. Then look at |
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redstone's response to me. It seemed to be favorable. Then I responded to a question about being uncomfortable with the matriarchy in here by saying "yes". Redstone responded in a way that I interpreted to be a misunderstanding and I tried to be more clear in a humorous way, so please give me the benefit of the doubt; I believe I was posting accurately to the proper recipient--Redstone. This original post sounded sincere and I agreed with it, even more so now that I have had to clarify once again.
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:49 AM
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58. Women (like me) "jumped all over" him... because it was a long day |
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of dealing with misogynistic threads and posts and some disruptive trolls and some well-meaning (and not so well-meaning) "jokes" all contributing to reaching a saturation point.
I love Redstone, but last night, I really didn't need to see "lighten up" from anyone.
I'm aware after reading the thread this morning that he had no idea what situation he had ventured into. So, it's all cool.
I am curious what makes you use the term "matriarchy" as if you actually believe that DU is somehow controlled by women oppressing men. :shrug:
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Sat Jul-23-05 10:56 AM
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61. Thanks for your post, I guess I did not see the more disturbing threads |
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on this subject. I got up this morning still feeling somewhat misunderstood, which is precisely why I hopped into this thread with my opinion. (perhaps unwisely ha!) To answer about some of the words I used, I was reacting to "womyn" in post 24 and "matriarchy" in post 31. So I think I stuck my nose in something where I did not realize feelings were still running high. Oh well, today is another day & I'm sure I'll do it again!
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:05 AM
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63. wow glad I missed it! |
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:08 AM
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65. You silly, silly boy... |
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Did I not miss it and post a series of drunken ramblings that were all conveniently deleted, so when I look at the "My Posts" option I don't see my rampage of mysogniny and wymen hating?
Because I like women, I truly do.
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:26 AM
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68. Oh I know you do... I just thought you were kidding... |
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I didn't think you were participating in it... just that you must have seen it... never mind....
:) :hi:
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:12 AM
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66. You know what? My eyes were not working properly in discerning |
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the reply lines. I am sorry. What a silly goose I can be going all off on a tangent like that, so I'm hitting myself upside the head!
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:36 AM
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27. sometimes the written word does not translate the same as face to face. |
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hence misunderstandings occur, if I may be so bold.
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28. You may indeed be so bold, and I thank you for doing so. |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:43 AM
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30. I would if I knew what you were talking about! |
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:58 AM
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36. JJ, you don't want to know. |
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Trust me on this.
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Sat Jul-23-05 01:35 AM
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45. Damn, I've spent so much time posting fake band names |
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I missed out on the *real* fun! :yoiks:
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I get sick and am absent for one week and look what happens! I'm cool with you Redstone. Not too sure what happened (an I don't think I wanna know) but I'm not mad at anybody!
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I know you're a good one. :hug:
:hi:
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:24 AM
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52. Thank you, my dear. It's so good to hear you being so chipper |
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these days. And you've certainly been making a certain someone walk on the clouds, yes?
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:31 AM
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54. It certainly seems so. |
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He's a good man and treats me so well. I didn't expect this right now, but I'm very happy. I want nothing more than to make him walk on the clouds.
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Sat Jul-23-05 07:22 AM
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:shrug:
FWIW, I don't normally get the mysongist vibe from you, Redstone.
That "remote" has been posted on DU before. IIRC, it has an equally offensive male twin, too.
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Sat Jul-23-05 08:43 AM
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51. You're cool in my book, Redstone. |
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:hi:
:think: <----- me lightening up. :-)
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:52 AM
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I've been away to long.
Who would be given you a hard time? Actually, I don't want to know. You're the bees knees Redstone.
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:02 AM
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But when guys post crap right in the middle of a supreme court nomination of someoe out to remove our rights, it just ain't funny.
Imagine if you will that a USSC judge had written a position paper advocating castration for all unwed fathers, and women were all over the site minimizing the postions of men:
"My husband is fat! Should I make him run outside the car?"
"My husband wants to go to the store without me! What should I do?"
"It's GIRL POWER TIME IN THE LOUNGE!" (hidden message is let's discuss how men are all braun and no brains...)
What you are really saying when you ask us to lighten up is that "boys will be boys." But I ask you, how is it that girls can and will be girls without that beingness minimizing men?
I agree much is DONE in good humor, but that doesn't mean it REMAINS in good humor once everyone else chimes in.
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:06 AM
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Sat Jul-23-05 01:42 PM
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75. i love that you say all the stuff i'm feeling |
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but you say it all coherently and passionately and stuff. :hi:
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Sat Jul-23-05 12:01 PM
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69. I know you are on our side, RS, and I can only address the issue in |
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generalities, but:
My mom was on the front lines, even in her middle age, of the women's rights movement. She marched to protect Roe v. Wade. She worked like crazy to see Title IX passed. My mom was a classic soccer mom, btw.
I never dreamed I'd see the day when everything she worked for, struggled for, would be at such risk.
If you've spent time in the GD forums this week, you know "they" were prepared. "They" are here in droves, and they are pretty bold. "They" aren't winning, but "they" aren't giving up, either. Many of us are in the pits with "them." "They" try to reel us in with their "good natured" jest, and some are succeeding.
DU is like a friendly pub of like minded people, IMHO. Last week, I participated in a "blonde jokes" thread. I giggled and truly enjoyed it. This week, a thread like the remote one (I didn't see it till now--I would have ALWAYS considered it offensive) hits nerves many of us didn't remember we had, but have become all too aware of this week.
The Lounge is where we come to cool off and have some laughs. Can we please try to keep it that way (despite my post)?
Stay in the fight for us, and lighten up yourself. I was one of the first to welcome you here, and I know you have our backs. But understand that things are very difficult for those of us who happen to be women.
I'm scared of what's happening. I need to know that DU is on our side.
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Sat Jul-23-05 02:12 PM
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76. If I could nominate a post... |
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I'd nominate this one, because it's exactly how I feel, too.
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Sat Jul-23-05 07:55 PM
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82. Thanks. My mom has told me of a pre-Roe experience of a friend. |
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I won't let that happen again.
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Sat Jul-23-05 05:06 PM
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78. I'm going to be doing some more PTSD counseling this evening |
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(for a woman), so I'll probably be in the same mood as last night because it's kind of wearying, and I'll probably not be up to answering the many posts here.
Thanks for the good words to the ones who posted them.
As far as anyone who wants to use the word "misogynist" to describe me, well, go ahead, because you don't know me very well. I'm NOT going to be defensive, but I will tell you that although I'll never be an Alan Alda-type pandering weenie who would describe himself as a "feminist," I've done and continue to do some volunteer and charitable things for women and children who really need help that might surprise you.
Not that I'm looking for approval from anyone. That's not why I do it. I gotta go.
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Sat Jul-23-05 08:19 PM
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83. Nobody's describing YOU as a misogynist.... |
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I hope you know that.
However... it does kinda bother me that you find male feminists to be "weenies." That's a shame.
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:49 PM
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84. No. It's just that every guy I've ever head describe himself as |
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"a feminist" has also struck me as being a weenie. And I think many, many or them are not telling the truth when they say that; I think they're just pandering and posturing.
That's my opinion. I don't like insincere people, and those people strike me as being insincere. And I am NOT going to apologize for stating my opinion about certain people, whether my opinion is politically correct or not.
I don't feel I have to use labels. Sorry, but I'm one of those people who DOES things to help women and children rather than talking about it.
In fact, I do feel guilty, though. I've been spending way too much time relaxing and hanging out on DU lately, when I have the annual report for the Food Bank to finish the layout work and prepress on (I do this as a volunteer), and some other stuff that's been lagging while I was screwing around here.
Talk about insincere: here I am talking about all the charity work that I do, and I haven't done enough of it lately. I need to go get to work.
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Sat Jul-23-05 09:56 PM
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85. I also do a lot for women and children... |
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and calling myself a feminist doesn't make me feel like a weenie at all. Why should it make a man feel that way? I think that's part of the problem, that these gender roles are so defined that a man feels less than a man if he calls himself a feminist... or he's just calling himself a feminist to get in a woman's pants.
Fortunately, I know a lot of strong, independent, intelligent men who are proud to call themselves feminists. Rock on, feminist men!!
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:10 PM
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86. OK, fine. You're going to argue with me no matter what I say. |
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So I'm not saying anymore. I learned a long time ago that the best thing do do when someone is determined to have a fight with you is not to give them one.
And that's what I'm doing now.
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Sat Jul-23-05 11:32 PM
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87. I am not arguing with you Redstone... I am expressing my opinion... |
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I admire men who call themselves feminists, and I know many of them... your comment was an insult to them, calling them weenies. I think that this gender divide is a big problem.
If you think that saying that is just arguing for the sake of arguing, then you are one posting for the sake of posting. You don't want to hear my honest reaction... you just want to post your opinion.
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79. Ok I'm officially lightened. nt |
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I'm not sure why I am in need of lightening up. :shrug:
I must have missed something again.
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