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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:29 AM
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I just saw "Matrix Revolutions." It sucked donkey-balls. Ask me anything
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:33 AM
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1. I was gonna see it...
but then decided to wait until the weekend to see matinee times....

Does it answer all the complex questions about the series?
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:38 AM
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4. Don't waste your money.
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 01:40 AM by Prisoner_Number_Six
I guess the Wachowski brothers lost all real interest after the first one or something. All the tricks were used up, and there was nowhere new to go. The storyline fell apart, the actors relied on the rush from the first flick, and except for a couple of under-lit kung fu fights and a lot of inane pseudophilosophical babbling, it was all empty space. Even the computer-animated stuff was lousy!

WAY disappointing. Glad it's the last one.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:42 AM
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6. Last one? Don't fool yourself.....awaiting The Matrix in LA for the final
insult to anyone with a brain......

:-)

The first was the best Hollywood action film in years, with genuine philosophical questions posed and originality.

I've vomited more intelligent things that the 2nd film...

P.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:50 AM
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9. I'd hope they have enough sense to cut and run
but of course they won't. There are enough bored teenage boys out there to buy enough tickets to keep them going for another one. Too bad.

They need to come up with something as innovative as "bullet time" (their name) was in the first one. All the fights and changes in perspective revolved around it. But now it's old-- others started using it in TV commercials before the first one left the big screen, for cryin' out loud!

I don't see anything fresh or amazing coming up. Go buy a copy of the Animatrix series, instead. Now, THAT is some cool animation!
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:07 AM
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15. Animatrix was cooler than Matrix II & III
Loved it.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:52 AM
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10. No...and it raises lots more questions.
Such as:
1) Why did Neo explode?
2) How can you get impaled with three spikes and still have a tender good-bye that lasts half an hour?
3) You can bypass the machines security by simply flying OVER them?

My own opinion is that the Wacowski brothers been smokeing crack with George Lucas.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:23 AM
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25. THAT'S what I was thinking
If I was impaled in four or five places by large spikes, I certainly wouldn't be that calm. Especially for ten minutes of melodrama.

The more and more I think about it, the more I feel I've been had by Warner Brothers. "Revolutions" is not a very good movie.

Although, I did have to watch "Reloaded" on DVD a few times to learn to appreciate it. It has grown on me over time.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:15 AM
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52. Answers
1) because Smith Assimilated him and was destroyed
2) She was probably numbed to it all by adrenaline, that's not uncommon at all actually
3) the electrical storms which plague the planet do not allow the machines to go past them without being shorted out.

If you put this much thought into the rest of the movie no wonder you didn't get it
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:33 AM
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2. really?
I never saw the second and wasn't blown away by the first.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:33 AM
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3. Yeah, I'm not surprised.
The best thing about those movies were the special effects. All the pseudo-philosophical garbage was remedial and tedious. And, the direction and acting of the 2nd one was absolutely HORRIBLE.

I have no clue as to why people are so infatuated with this series.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:40 AM
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5. Disagree. 1st was groundbreaking & intelligent....downhill from there.
The premise of the first was great - classic Cartesian "evil demon" delimma, i.e. are we really here, experiencing life or are we being deceived into believing we're here by an evil demon (or in The Matrix, the errrr......matrix).

Groundbreaking special effects.

Unbelievably stylish.

Reasonable acting.

Good script.

It actually entertained and made cinemagoers THINK for a change.

Unfortunately, the 2nd one went tits-up.....they were trying FAR TOO HARD to make it look good - rather than managing the effortless, unaffected style of the first, the actors look like they're on a catwalk. Also, they began to lose the plot and contradicted things from the first film. The script lacked style and substituted psychobabble nonsense for genuine insight/originality and the fight scenes went on far too long, to distract from the lack of sensible plot.

I've heard that the 3rd is even worse.

If you ask me, the 2nd Matrix suffered the same thing as Blade 2. The original had style, the 2nd was affected and trying far too hard.

At least Terminator lasted 2 films before it just went shite, substituting action for plot, coherence, script and interest.

IMHO of course.

P.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:28 AM
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21. Groundbreaking, yes.
As far as the special effects went.

I think the "intelligence" part is where I differ with you. I wasn't impressed with the "philosophy" of it.

The Cartesian stuff is a played-out gimmick. I'm sorry I'm being so negative, but the whole premise, both philosophically and as a matter of pop culture, is just remedial. Everybody has thought of that stuff. That's why it turned me off. I could tell they were going for some kind of eye-opening religious epiphany, like they'd come up with this really deep idea or something. It makes me angry and makes me want to laugh at the same time.

I agree that the first one was a lot better than the second though. God, I almost walked out of the second one in the first half hour. It was unbearable.
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Rashind Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:21 AM
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34. I agree, it is poor philosophically.
A much better exploration of the Cartesian evil-genius hypothesis can be found in The Thirteenth Floor. Everyone hated it though. Must have been the lack of a fight scene where you can fall asleep, wake up fully rested, and still be on the same damn fight scene.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:46 AM
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7. my son went to see it
tonight. he had to buy tickets in advance ,i think he was seeing it in a i-max theatre.. the second has the dumbist fight scenes i`ve ever seen in a big budget movie,then take away half the babble and then there may be a good movie left. revolutions? i`ll wait till the dvd.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:48 AM
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8. No, wait for it to come out on network television.
It's THAT bad.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:58 AM
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12. Once you are aware that one of the brothers left his wife for a
dominatrix some of the costuming becomes explainable.
I did have to laugh at the obviousness of that aspect of the film. I thought this last film ran out of steam. I loved the first film the last two were so-so. Overall critics rating was c-.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:00 AM
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17. there's a good name for a porno
"donna matrix"
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:17 PM
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41. Wait for it to be a Saturday cartoon.
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aeon flux Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:55 AM
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11. The effects and storyline

are about as compelling as watching The Power Rangers.

Only thing I liked about the Matrix is the soundtrack.


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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:01 AM
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14. Exactly! It was like the Power Rangers
Only, in the Power Rangers the acting is better.

Oh...and with the Power Rangers you get to have perverted thoughts about the pink one.
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aeon flux Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:54 AM
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16. LOL!
:evilgrin:
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:57 AM
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40. Welcome to DU
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:53 AM
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22. I can't tell you...
how many late nights I spent with Amy Joe Johnson in my head.... :evilgrin:
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:32 AM
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39. Aeon Flux!!
Love that moniker ~

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kyrasdad Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:59 AM
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13. I was waiting to see Superman and Lois Lane during
Neo and Smith's final battle... and that ending... ugh... I paid 8 bucks for this shit? Puh-leeeze...

However, the attack scene on Zion was really, REALLY, well done... They should have stopped it there and let everyone wonder what the hell happened to Neo...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:02 AM
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18. The only reason I watch the matrix is for Agent Smith.
He cracks me up. I love Hugo Weaving.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:25 AM
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26. The best character in the trilogy
Where the hell was he in "Revolutions"? A few entertaining scenes, and a cheesy fight scene at the end.

Agent Smith rules! Funniest villian ever in a movie!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:09 AM
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19. Is it worse than "Kill Bill"?
Sometimes it takes a lot of resources to make something really dreadful...
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:05 AM
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20. Does Neo still jump and fly and the other bad guys reproduce?
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 07:19 AM
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23. I'm gonna see it
I don't listen to fanboys or movie reviews.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:05 AM
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24. Very disappointing
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 08:26 AM by RatTerrier
Just saw it yesterday, and just to warn you - it is by far the weakest of the series. And I've rarely seen a movie in the theatres that has left me so underwhelmed.

The first one was a classic. Awesome movie. The second one was a little bit of a letdown (but on DVD, if you FF past the rave scene, it becomes a much better movie with some great action and ironic humor).

The plot of "Revolutions" was hokey, the action was underwhelming, and it took all of what was bad about "Reloaded" (which was a fairly decent movie - not great, though) and stretched it out to a two hour running time. Instead of the surreal surroundings of the Matrix itself, we're treated to an overblown scene of blasting robot squid invading an underground city). Even worse - hardly any Agent Smith (the best character in the trilogy).

I know every Matrix fan will have to go see it, but my advice? Go to a matinee, save a litle money, and buy "The Animatrix", which, although it's animation, showed more style and creativity than this two-hour circle jerk of a movie.

The first one asked a lot of questions. The second went into some interesting directions. The third one plods and wastes your time. "Matrix Revolutions" is $8.50 and two hours I will never get back.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:35 AM
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27. Y'all just didn't get it
The American audience has become lazy and complaicent. We expect everything to be explained to us by the ignorant companion that acompanies the hero. The Matrix is a movie to think about. It is not some bit of candy. It is a meal. You are going to have to work at it to figure out what is going on. There are clues strewn throughout the films. You have to figure out what they mean.

Come on. Do we really need another Scary Movie? A movie that just holds us in place for an hour and a half and keeps us complaicent? Or can we handle a movie that may make us work a bit to understand it.

In the art community there is a problem. Art that is easily understood (think dogs playing cards) is mundane and does nothing to expand our horizons. Art that challenges us demands that we bring more to the table with us. It forces us to learn more to understand it. Art is not just getting the colors to match your couch. Art is about conveying ideas. The Matrix does just this. It is an unappologetic attempt to convey an idea. An idea that you may have to strive to understand. Of course you could just go see Scary Movie and have everything thought out for you. Its you'r choice.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:44 AM
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28. yeah
one thing tho, i read that they planned originally to have the rest (revolutions and re-loaded) done in comic book form, and is it true that it was made even nore obvious that the "zion" world was only another part of the matrix?
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:49 AM
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30. They didn't spell it out enough for some
You have two choices. Either they pulled a Prisoner (60s tv series) or they did what they did expressly to convey some ideas to be discussed. Discussion doesn't happen if you spell everything out for the people. Its like explaining a joke. If they explained it people would not take the journey to understand it.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:09 AM
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33. The Matrix Revolutions "A Meal" ??? More like a Happy-Meal.
The only things I "thought about" was the $8.00 I lost.

I wasn't expecting Shakespeare, but maybe some acting ability would have been nice. With the exception of Hugo Weaving, (Agent Smith) I've seen better acting talent from Droopy the dog.

Even if the American movie-going public was as sophisticated as you think you are, this movie would still be crap.

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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:36 AM
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35. Grapes
Sour
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:10 PM
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51. You slur the immortal name of Cassius Coolidge?!?!? Imbecile! Peasant!
The subtle shadings, the implied nuances and meaning, the thundering yet velvety command of technique!

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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:53 AM
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59. Not to mention the eternal: Art Frahm ~
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:47 AM
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29. These filmmaker 'matrix guys' are clearly...
...and completely impressed with their own success. They just keep stuffing more crap on the screen and hope that no one will notice that they don't have a clue past the popcorn stand.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:50 AM
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31. I'll agree that someone doesn't have a clue
Look. This is different stuff than you are used to. You are going to have to use different muscles than the ones you normally use when watching a movie. If you still don't like what you see then so be it.
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:00 AM
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32. You're wrong...
As per your post above Clarke's 2001 as rendered by Kubrick was "a meal" but todays laser-zap fun zone kiddies just got'ta have their light sabers and shit like that. I've made films in LA. I can assure you; it is all about splash & dash. You have just fallen for it my friend. You are bemused by the pretty colors, 'mystical' strokes to your alter ego, and the langoliers in ever greater numbers. Much of the way of this world occurs in whispers. The shoot'em up botta boom botta bang-bang occurs sporadically at best.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:21 AM
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54. Even remove all the fight scenes
and I'd still love the movie (in fact I do from time to time).

Perhaps making films in LA has biased and jaded you.
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:35 AM
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56. I preferred: Solaris
http://www.solaristhemovie.com

But that's just me ~
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:40 AM
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57. also good
but I like this one too
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:19 AM
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53. Please
they had already written out the whole trilogy before the first was made.

You have no concept of what you're taking about
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:43 AM
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58. Open your mind ~
http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/news/darkenergy

http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchlinux

They, the filmmakers, are whores to CGI in lieu of story telling and so I wonder who has access to "concept"...

:shrug:

The Matrix is at best a 2hr film and little more.
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Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:38 AM
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36. Is Keanu still prefacing all his lines with a
soft breathy atonal sigh that sounds all the world like "Duuh" to the saavy audience member?
:)
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:10 AM
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38. Maybe he's been attending the
"George W. Bush" acting school?
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:41 AM
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37. Why do you have no taste in movies?
:P
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Garage Queen Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:20 PM
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42. So....what exactly do Donkey Balls taste like?
:evilgrin:
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:22 PM
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43. Watch Matrix Revolutions and find out for yourself
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 04:25 PM by brainshrub
And then I suggest a mint afterwards to get the salty-taste out of your mouth.

The Shrek trailer was 1000% better than the Matrix movie.
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melv Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:31 PM
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44. Awesome. Must see
I loved it. This one had heart.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:45 PM
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45. I had cancer
before I went to see Matrix Revolutions. The movie was so pretentious, inane and confusing that it purged my tumor into remission.
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:31 PM
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47. I just think you feel your smarter than the movie.
its cooler to dislike the movie than to like it. Of course your WHOLLY ORIGINAL science fiction epic with ingenious, thought provoking, and unforgettable dialogue...deep genuine characterizations...and action that doesn't involve kung-fu, car chases, guns, or any of that cliche stuff...is somewhere on the horizon, right?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:05 PM
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50. Yes...
I wanted to like this movie soooo much. I loved the first two.

But watching this was like someone was peeing directly into my eyes.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 10:23 AM
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55. Such Hyperbole
and such misguided hate. What up man?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:06 PM
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46. kick
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:36 PM
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48. A "Nickle Tour" Summary was posted earlier by Stupdworld ...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 07:19 PM
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49. Kick
:kick:
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