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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:17 PM
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Can you direct me to a bike info for dummies site?
I want to buy an inexpensive bike. I don't know bike jargon. I want to figure out if I'm comparing apples to apples or apples to sandwiches.

HELP!
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mwdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:21 PM
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1. There's a bicycling group in the DU forums.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:23 PM
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2. What kind of bike are you looking for?
Road bike? Mountain bike? Super lightweight racing street bike? Crazy sick North Shore 6 foot drop 6 inches of travel K2 Super Disco Monkey type full suspension ride?
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:32 PM
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4. mmm....road/mountain bike
I will mostly be riding on the road, but I want to be able to go off road as well. I have no plans to do anything extreme, but I'd like to be able to ride easy trails. (Not planning on any air time)
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:36 PM
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5. Probably you are looking for a hybrid.
Although I am far from an expert, I went with a friend when he bought his. The bike shop guy was really helpful, although they were more expensive.
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mwdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:38 PM
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7. Hybrids are good for that.
I own one, and also have a so-called comfort bike. Oh, and a mountain bike.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 07:44 PM
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10. Here you go
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/freeride_hardtail/

Get something with a front suspension, but a solid back end. I'm a Gary Fisher freak myself. Read the reviews, decide on your own.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:26 PM
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3. Anything from a bike shop will last MUCH longer than any box store
So even if you pay double ($200 or so) from a bike shop, it will last MUCH longer than a cheap $60 one from Target, Costco, WalMart, etc... The Huffys and other cheap ones rarely last more than a year of frequent use. Yet a better one just takes a $30-40 tuneup once a year and can go for many years (depending on how you treat it).
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:37 PM
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6. Yivvers, I would drop at least $500
otherwise you will get total crap that wil just break on you anyway.
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:43 PM
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8. I almost don't care if the bike is semi-disposable
I want to get something right away that isn't going to break the bank. Mainly, I want it for exercise. If I need to get a better one in a couple of years, I will.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 06:48 PM
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9. Yeah, but a decent bike
is going to be lighter and easier to use than a "cheap" one from a non-bike shop type of a store. You'll end up working out better and be less likely to get discouraged on a decent bike.

I'd suggest going to a bike shop and taking a few bikes for a spin, just so you can see the difference between the different types (and brands) of bikes. Then shop on craigslist if you have a local one, or check for used bikes in your local paper.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 07:49 PM
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11. Another Lance Armstrong groupie...
Just because you look fetching in a yellow jersey is NO reason to go off the deep end...

You're welcome to the $400 bike that's sitting in my garage unused. Just drop by and pick it up. ;)
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 08:06 PM
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12. A piece of Advice
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 08:26 PM by happyslug
When buying your first bike go for the best FRAME you can afford. The Frame is the most important part of a bike. The best frames generally available are Cannondale and Trek (I ride a Cannondale). Giant makes a very good bike (For a Chinese bike, almost as good as a Trek or Cannondale).

Once you buy a frame you can change components one at a time as your riding improves. New Wheels, new gears etc. For Example I purchased my bike as a frame only offer from Cannondale (i.e. only the Frame not components). I than striped off the junk components off my old bike and rode as I slowly replaced the Components with Better Components (Especially as I learned about the better components out there).

Now as to the actual frame I generally would recommend a hybrid that has 700cc wheels and tires (Unless you are smaller than 5'4" than you should look at 26 inch wheels). I like the 700s for they tend to be narrower than tires for 26 inch bikes. 700cc bike wheels get they name from being the most popular wheel size for racing bikes and since the most famous bike race is the Tour de France, the French term is used.

The 26 inch wheel is descendant from the old Schwinn bikes of the 1950s. When Mountain biking started in the 1980s the first bikes were converted old Schwinn's using 26 inch tires. Since most bikes using 700cc wheels could NOT handle the wider tires of off-road racing, the 26 inch tire just took over Mountain biking.

Now unless you plan to go riding up and down over perfectly good hills, I would recommend a bike with 700cc wheels. It will get you a good start.

If you are 5'4" or smaller you may have to stay with 26 inch wheels (The wheels are just that much smaller that it is easier to design a smaller bike with 26 inch wheels than with 700cc wheels). If you do opt for 26 inch wheels one of the first thing I would do is to look into replacing the tires with narrower "slicks" i.e. tires with the knobs. To sell bikes mountain bikes are always sold with the widest knobbiest tires available. These are NOT the best tires for Highway use. A narrower tire that can be inflated to higher pressure is a much better tire for highway use. I do NOT like going under an 1 1/4 (or 35mm) for that seems to be the best balance between minimizing pedaling and still be able to stop. Remember the more tire you have on the road the harder it is to pedal, but easier to stop. 35mm seems to be a good balance (It is rare to find a 26 inch tire narrower than 1 1/2 but a lot of 700cc come in 35mm widths).

For most people that they need to know when buying a bike are the following:

1. Does it fit you? Basically the bike top rail should be low enough so that you can straddle it while standing, but the seat should be tall enough that when you are peddling your legs completely stretch out. A lot of people who bike who complain of knee problems have they seat to low, they legs do not full stretch out so instead of "walking" on your bike you are crouching while peddling and this is bad for your knee. Now a lot of people who bike want to be able to touch the ground while on their seat, I am sorry but that is defeating your knees. If you look at the professional bikes they tend to start they bikes while straddling the top bar and then mount their bikes after it has started. One technique I have often used is to use a street curb for my feet while I mount the seat and then go. A curb seems to be the same height as my peddles so it is an easy way for beginners to learn the techniques of starting their bikes.

2. If you are riding on Asphalt or Concrete (as opposed to dirt Roads) you do NOT need anything wider than a 35mm tire. The narrow the tire the easier to peddle AND THE GREATER TIRE PRESSURE THE TIRE CAN WITHSTAND. Higher Tire Pressure also makes it easier to peddle by reducing "Roll Resistance" to the tire.

3. I question the need for any suspension on a bike unless you are going cross country. The purpose of Suspension on Mountain bikes fall into two categories, the Front Suspension which is to help the rider retain control of his bike if he hits a real deep pothole and the Rear Suspension which is to keep the tire on the ground when do to going cross country the bike jumps ups and down (Which picks up the rear wheels so that it is no longer in contact with the road). One bikes intended for paved roads, the rear suspension will NOT help you are all, and 99% of the time a front suspension will not help you (and most of the time you will be able to go around any pothole in the road, or prepare yourself for the hit if you have to hit a pothole. On road use I find suspension a waste of money.

4. Conventional hand brakes are good enough, disk brakes are for people who want to go down perfectly good mountain sides.

5. The big push for more and more gears is driven by racing nuts who want that little edge. Now once you have biked for a while replacing the chain and "transmission" may be one of the first things you will do. I personal story, I had several bikes in my life, mostly "Ten Speeds". The components were "junk" so all I ever used them for was to find the best general gear for me and stayed in that gear. When I upgraded to Shimano XT, I was able to shift quickly and as I needed. These were easier and quicker than anything I had ever used before and finally learned why people paid good money for better components. in many ways that is the difference between a Toy store and a bike store when it comes to selling bike. A bike store is selling bikes that are intended to be used as a mean of transportation NOT as a gift for a kid who may or may not want it.

My Advice is to get a Giant if you can not afford an Cannondale, and than slowly upgrade the components over the next few years as you get more and more into biking.

Here are some sites with articles and advice on bicycles and biking:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/articles.html
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/index.html

Peter White has a Good Article on Fitting a bike:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/

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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:04 AM
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13. thanks for all your info
You've been really helpful.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:33 AM
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14. One more consideration, you are female.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 10:44 AM by happyslug
Bicycles tend to be designed for men. Not do to any prejudice it is what sells.

The main problem with women and biking (Beside having the seat to low) is caused by the difference between men's and women's center of gravity. Men's center of Gravity is around their chest, for that is where most of their muscles are. By Volume Muscles weighs four times the same volume of fat.

The largest muscle in the Human Body is the Muscle Women use to give birth. This causes the characteristic lower "curve" of a women, but also means that her center of Gravity is centered about two inches below her belly button (I am trying NOT to offend anyone so that people actually read what I am writing).

This difference in the sexes when it comes to their Center of Gravity affects how each sex rides a bike. When a Man rides a bike his center of Gravity is right between the Handlebars and his seat. By moving his body one way or another he can quickly change direction of his bicycle.

Women, on the other hand, when riding a bicycle prefer a more upright stand so to keep their center of Gravity from sticking up in the air in a position hard for them to control the bicycle. For this reason a lot of women prefer to have the handlebars closer to the seat than a man of the same height (So they can sit more upright). Some women have opt for a recumbent bicycle for in a recumbent she is sitting on her center of gravity instead of having it up in the air.

My point here is you may want to opt for a real cheap bicycle to see if you like to bike and than buy a Recumbent if you get serious about biking. Recumbents tend to be expensive (And harder to bike up hills) but given women's center of gravity a recumbent may be a better choice than either a Hybrid, Mountain or Road bike. As to prices, I have seen Recumbent as high as $2000 but you can get a decent one for $800-1000 (As I said Recumbent are NOT cheap, thus I recommend you go with a cheap bike FIRST and if you like biking than and only than switch to a Recumbent).

Here is a $2000 Recumbent:


A little cheaper model, only $1000:
http://www.recumbent-trikes-bicycles.com/burley-koosah.htm


How to make a a "Home-Made" Recumbent I found on the Net.
http://members.aol.com/domerie/bentech.htm
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