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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:44 PM
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My son is drug tested every week before he gets his paycheck.
Told me that his whole crew must submit to and pass a drug test before they can receive their paychecks. I asked him what would happen if your test showed up positive and he said that they keep your check for violating the company policy.
Does this sound legal to you?
This is a shipyard subcontractor who hire laborers, mostly young people and minorities, to clean the bilges of naval vessels.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:46 PM
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1. I shouldn't think it's legal, since a person is getting paid for work
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 05:46 PM by Rabrrrrrr
already done. Unless they get paid in advance.

Though I could imagine the company would say "Yeah, he already worked those hours, but he worked them while on drugs, so they don't count since he was in violation of company policy".

So, my totally unreasoned lawerly advice, from me, a guy who never studied law, is to say "I have no idea, but felt the need to comment anyway because I like bloviating on shit I don't know anything about"
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:46 PM
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2. No.
They cannot attach wages without a court order. This is patently illegal. He needs to contact the state labor board and report this.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:46 PM
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3. It sounds weird
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:50 PM
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4. If it happens report it as theft of services.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:50 PM
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5. Illegal
There's still such a thing as Due Process. And withholding pay illegally is called "theft".

The contractor is advertizing for a lawyer to sue him.

--p!
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:53 PM
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6. theft of services if there is non payment of work that's been done
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:57 PM
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7. He may have, unknowingly signed a release that they slip in with
all the other papers you need to sign just to get the job.
The shipyards are notorious for this.
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:01 PM
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12. I don't think they have a leg to stand on about non payment even if
he signed something.

Just because it's in writing doesn't make it legal if the agreement goes against state labor laws.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:58 PM
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8. Google is your friend...
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/0,4621,297435,00.html

Federal is even more strict, so I guess it depends entirely on whether your son is employed by private industry or employed by the Navy, government, etc.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:58 PM
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9. we have to drug test employees but have extensive plan
for those who test positive through our safety dept. They go through counseling and evaluation to determine if it is habitual and they require help.

We are forced by MSHA to be drug free to enter mine sites and this policy beats the heartbreak of losing employees to fatalities any day.

I would think a shipyard contractor would be under same federal regulations for OSHA safety and would be grateful they were requiring such of my son.

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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 05:59 PM
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10. Good thing I don't have to worry about that
since I own my own company. (I LOVE to say that!)

Toke, anyone? Just promise not to bogart it... :rofl:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:52 PM
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17. you hiring?
:yoiks:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:00 PM
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11. It can't be legal.
But there is no room for crackheads on a boat. The law is strict.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:02 PM
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14. They mainly test for weed.
Crack, meth and other chemical substances are easier to hide during a screen.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:01 PM
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13. It's not legal
You must get paid for work. It's federal law. At least for now.
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:43 PM
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15. it's illegal. They HAVE to pay you for work you already did.
I'd try to get direct deposit if I were him. Second, call the Better Business Bureau and inform them of this company's policy.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:47 PM
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16. to my mind, with-holding pay for services rendered...
is not legal; it is an offense for which remedy ultimately exists, but i'm no lawyer
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Spock_is_Skeptical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:04 PM
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18. It sure as hell doesn't sound legal to me.
Even if they had him sign something, it still sounds completely illegal.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:09 PM
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19. I have know of random drug testing and in fact my husband
in his job is subjected to it, but this seems extreme. I would think that would be illegal? Keep his paycheck if he doesn't pass a drug test? That doesn't seem right or legal.
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