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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:49 AM
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Quick question about the use of semi-colons:
What is the more correct sentence:

1.) News gathering is an inherently political act; to pretend otherwise creates a climate where reporters are required to believe in a myth.

2) News gathering is an inherently political act. To pretend otherwise creates a climate where reporters are required to believe in a myth.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:50 AM
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1. I would have just used a comma instead in #1.
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 10:52 AM by Lars39
on edit: I'll plead :hangover:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:52 AM
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4. If you use only a comma, then you need the conjunction "and".
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 10:53 AM by JVS
Semicolons allow you not to use a conjunction.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:59 AM
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10. That's why I edited mine to put in
:hangover: I need more :donut:
After looking at it again, #1 "looks right:. :)
I've forgotten all my Schoolhouse Rock. :cry:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:50 AM
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2. Depends on how close a relationship between the clauses
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 10:51 AM by supernova
you want to create. Using a semicolon implies a more immediate and direct relationship between the first and second sentence.

edit: The second sentence you could change to a gerund, "pretending."
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:52 AM
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3. Number 2, I think.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:53 AM
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5. Either is ok.. but I would have probably put in some.... and a// or two
(I "know" grammar, but prefer to ignore it:)..)

xxx's and .... and //// or ^^^^^ are so much more expressive :
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:53 AM
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6. Nowadays most teachers will tell you to use #2
But if you read stuff from a few decades ago, their definiton of a "run-on sentence" was much less strict than it is now.

I like long sentences, and I like semi-colons.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:54 AM
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7. Neither is more correct. Both are fine.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:58 AM
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8. I'd use #1
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 10:58 AM by tofunut
The second clause is closely related to the first.

The second set feels choppy to me.

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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:19 AM
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19. I busted out the Chicago Manual
Here's the skinny:

"Though the semicolon is less frquently employed today than in the past, it is still occasionally useful to mark a more important break in sentence flow than that marked by a comma. It should always be used between the two parts of a compound sentence (independent, or coordinate, clauses) when they are not connected by a conjunction:

The controversial portrait had been removed from the entrance hall; in its place had been hung a realistic landscape.

Coordinate clauses may, of course, be separated into individual sentences."

Chicago, 14th
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:26 AM
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20. So with the example you just used:
The controversial portrait had been removed from the entrance hall; in its place had been hung a realistic landscape.


is just as good as:

The controversial portrait had been removed from the entrance hall. In its place had been hung a realistic landscape.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:34 AM
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21. Yes.
It's better.

See how choppy the second example is? Sentence #2 is too meaning-dependent on sentence #1 to stand alone, but it is technically an independent clause.

Semicolons are used between two independent clauses. If a comma is like a yellow light and a period like a red light, a semicolon is a flashing red.

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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:47 AM
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22. I love that example!
OMG! If my english teacher had used that in mioddle-school, I'd probably be a real writer today.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:58 AM
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9. Both are faulty but #1 is better.
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 10:59 AM by sfexpat2000
#2 is a fragment.

#1 is a problem because both sides of the semi colon should be of similar construction.

Why not just: "News gathering . . . as to pretend otherwise . . ."
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:00 AM
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11. 2) is best. 1) is incorrect usage, I believe.
I think semi-colons are used to separate a list of related items. Like when bullet points are listed all together in a single paragraph.

However, doing so often makes a sentence very difficult to read. It is more common today to break the paragraph and have a bulleted list. That improves clarity; increases readability; and ensures profits for the bulleted list manufacturing industry.

Semi colons are now mostly used for forming the winking smilie.

; + ) = ;)
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:10 AM
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15. a regular colon does that, among other snazzy things.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:08 AM
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12. Semicolons are not used much now...
and have gotten a pretty bad rap-- probably because no one knows how to use them any more and the kind of sentences they used to be used in aren't constructed that much any more. I've really forgotten the rules and would have to look them up in a stylebook.

You might have noticed that I like the hyphen instead of the semicolon, although that raises a lot of hackles in formal writing.

To avoid the problem, I would change the sentence by using a conjunction, as long as it doesn't affect the meaning:

"News gathering is an inherently political act, and to pretend otherwise creates a climate where reporters are required to believe in a myth."

The comma is probably not necessary there, either, but I always overuse commas myself.

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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:08 AM
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13. They're both right, I think.
If I remember correctly, a semi-colon can connect two complete sentences together into one when you want to show a closer relationship between the two thoughts. Using two sentences signifies more of a separation between them.

It's been a while since English class though, so I could be wrong.

here's a link I found in a quick search:
http://owlet.letu.edu/grammarlinks/punctuation/punct2s.html
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:09 AM
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14. They're both equally correct.
You can use a semicolon to join two sentences together.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:10 AM
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16. Personally, I like number one.
The one with the semi-colon. Neither is wrong.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:18 AM
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18. I agree with you, rock. Neither is wrong. Number one is
stronger.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:11 AM
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17. Thank you everyone.
It's a tough call, but I'll go with #1. Your input is greatly appreciated.
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