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Wed Sep-07-05 08:44 AM
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pLeast post which one you bLame.
no need, to eLaborate. one word wiLL do just fine.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:45 AM
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1. Maybe a combo of both. |
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:46 AM
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racism is just a piece of classism.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:46 AM
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3. With the amount of "those people" remarks I've heard: racism. |
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:47 AM
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if they were poor and white, they'd just call them "white trash."
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:49 AM
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8. if they're poor and black. |
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they'd wouldn't call them anything. They'd ignore them.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:50 AM
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10. Classism affects people of color disproportionately. |
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The REAL battle in this country is over class, but it manifests itself as a battle on race. The Republicans have successfully gotten the poor white vote by using race.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:54 AM
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12. if you are white and poor |
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you have a HUGE Leg up on a person who is bLack and poor.
don't think so?
send both to appLy for the same job with the same quaLifications and watch the resuLt.
have a cop puLL over both peopLe and watch the disparity in how each is handLed.
have both try to haiL a cab, and see who gets picked up first.
have both use an EBT card whiLe paying for food, and watch who gets the nasty Looks.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:58 AM
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Like I said below, racism probably grew out of classism and now has a life of its own.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:58 AM
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15. I agree with everything you said. |
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However, if the poor white folks ever realize how badly they're getting hosed, no Republican could get elected nationally.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:56 AM
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13. I think we are using too many words for poor sniffa. |
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:P
So then are you saying that racism came out of classism? Because that is basically what I was saying.
Of course now, racism has grown out and beyond classism, so if you rid the world of classism, racism would still exist. (And vice versa is true, of course)
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:48 AM
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7. My mother and I tried to count how many times we heard |
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Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:49 AM by Shell Beau
"those people" or "these people" on the news. I have to say that I used it myself, but only referring to the people still there (not as in the black people or the poor people). Just a lack of better words to use. :(
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:47 AM
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racism isn't "just" a part of classism.
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:54 AM
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and the next question... Chicken or Egg?
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Wed Sep-07-05 08:59 AM
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but racism first. the fact that they're poor makes them even more subhuman to these assholes.
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Wed Sep-07-05 09:25 AM
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Nobody can convince me that this would have happened in a mostly-white, poor city. However, there is a healthy dose of classism too. Unfortunately, in this part of the US, it's a bit difficult to separate the two.
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Wed Sep-07-05 09:29 AM
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23. a little from column A, a little from column B |
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But racism plays a bigger role, IMHO
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Wed Sep-07-05 09:46 AM
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Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 09:55 AM by Mrs. Sniffa
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Wed Sep-07-05 09:57 AM
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Remember, * focuses on the "haves and the have mores"....
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Wed Sep-07-05 09:58 AM
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27. quite like love and marriage,,,, |
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it's hard to envision one without the other.
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Wed Sep-07-05 09:59 AM
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28. but, as i said in #12 |
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if you are white and poor you have a HUGE Leg up on a person who is bLack and poor.
don't think so?
send both to appLy for the same job with the same quaLifications and watch the resuLt.
have a cop puLL over both peopLe and watch the disparity in how each is handLed.
have both try to haiL a cab, and see who gets picked up first.
have both use an EBT card whiLe paying for food, and watch who gets the nasty Looks.
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Wed Sep-07-05 10:18 AM
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I'm not arguing with your thoughts. Merely suggesting, in a rather esoteric way, that racism creates an "underclass," if you will. Thus, it would seem as though the two are rather intimately linked. Not saying that being of a certain race does not socially disadvantage one to a significant degree... it most certainly does. But being on the lowest rung of the white ladder does have its share of problems as well. In fact, the rural, white poor are largely cut off from the social services that urban poor have, so in some ways, that is a disadvantage for them as well.
I think one could lobby back and forth countless reasons regarding how one group is disadvantaged versus another. But, I'm not here to split hairs. Both are uniquely different concerns, with a unique set of problems and issues, and I find myself concerned with the plight of both.
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Wed Sep-07-05 10:16 AM
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with racism to further divide into subgroups. I mean, you can't hate everyone at the same level can you?
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Wed Sep-07-05 10:26 AM
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racism before classism...it's always easier to be poor and white than poor and black. at least it seems that way to me.
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