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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:56 PM
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How many "P.C." DVDs do you have in your library?
I don't have Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, or any one of a dozen other "PC" DVDs.

I DO have The Manchurian Candidate (the new one), the LOTR trilogy, the Harry Potter films, and a whole bunch of my favorite films through the years. But sorry, no politically correct ones, or films with subtitles from foreign lands. I DO have Mystic River, but not Million Dollar Baby. I don't think I own any Russell Crowe videos, nor John Travolta videos, or even Richard Gere films. I know I don't have any Kurt Russell films or even any Arnold movies.

I DO have a couple of Bruce Willis films, most notably Sixth Sense and Die Hard I and II. I DID like Mel Gibson in the Lethal Weapon films, but haven't bought them yet. I also have most (now, finally!) of the Stargate SG-1 TV series DVDs by season. I want, but have not yet gotten, the new version of E.T., and the orignal Star Wars films.

Any people with PC films? I just can't think of any one of them I would sit through again, even if it's in my own house, on my own TV. With a film like Schindler's List, it was difficult to sit through it the first time.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:13 PM
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1. Nope. I think I only have one PC film in my collection.
I guess maybe the only one that would count as "PC" would be Band Of Brothers. Best war documentary ever made!

Some of the DVDs in my collection include:

- Bad Santa
- Fight Club
- Penn and Teller: Bullshit
- Team America: World Police
- All five seasons of South Park that are currently avaliable
- both seasons of Reno 911!
- All 4 seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:33 PM
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2. I'm trying, but I'm completely failing to understand what your definition
of "PC DVD" is :shrug:
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:44 PM
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3. I echo that sentiment DS1
Great Googa Mooga!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:23 PM
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4. Oh, films like Schindler's List, for an example
An English Patient, Best Years of Our Lives, Pocohantas, foreign films with a "message", documentaries, movies about the icons of the cultured class, The Bostonians, movies that people brag about seeing even if they didn't understand one whit of what it was about, movies that might be considered artsy fartsy, movies that contain terms that are only used recently but take place in the far past that eliminate certain racial points of view common in the time the movie is taking place, movies that impart a sense of style that makes them attempt to be taken more seriously than what the circumstances at the time would have warranted, movies with sticks up their butts, movies that have had their soul ripped from them by studios or standards and practices, movies where the characters are so righteous, they even pee in black and white, movies that are devoid of anything that would be offensive to ANYONE.

An example: take To Kill A Mockingbird. The n***** word is used constantly in the book--it would be, considering the plot, and the era it was originally written for. Can you imagine them making the film, now, substituting the word used then with "black" or "African-American"? It would negate the whole meaning of the film!

Or if they remade the Wizard of Oz, and the witch didn't have the black hat and outfit, substituting it with emblems of real Wicca or paganism? It would turn what is a fairy tale into something which it is not--a politically correct and inaffective film!

It's a Wonderful Life--add in the fact that suicide is against the moral code, add in the perils of the modern world, with slick investors messing with marshland and wetlands, adding in the environmental groups screaming for Environmental Impact Reports, add in the FDIC insuring everyone for up to $100,000 and the Savings and Loan rejecting people for bad credit, and you would have a mess of a film. While the original is politically correct (and a fable) for its own era, it is considered a fairy tale now and a "feel good" film that is made legendary because of George Bailey's kind-heartedness and strength of character. He doesn't exist anymore, nor should he, but it would certainly not be the same movie if made now.

Someone pointed to Finding Neverland as being PC--there is nothing to offend anyone in it, and it is touted as a G movie because it's so goshdarn sedated it would never let an adult see it without falling asleep!

From Wiki-pedia, a paragraph discussing the great extent that "PC" is exaggerated oftentimes to the point of superfluousness:


The practice of satirizing so-called politically correct speech took on a life of its own in the 1990s, though its popularity in today's media has largely declined. Part of what it is to understand the meaning of political language modification is to be familiar with satirical portrayals of political correctness. Such portrayals are generally exaggerations of what actual language modification looks like. For example, in a satirical example of so-called political correctness speech, the sentence "The fireman put a ladder up against the tree, climbed it, and rescued the cat" might look like this:

The firefighter (who happened to be male, but could just as easily have been female) abridged the rights of the cat to determine for itself where it wanted to walk, climb, or rest, and inflicted his own value judgements in determining that it needed to be 'rescued' from its chosen perch. In callous disregard for the well-being of the environment, and this one tree in particular, he thrust the mobility-disadvantaged unfriendly means of ascent known as a 'ladder' carelessly up against the tree, marring its bark, and unfeelingly climbed it, unconcerned how his display of physical prowess might injure the self-esteem of those differently-abled. He kidnapped and unjustly restrained the innocent feline with the intention of returning it to the person who claimed to 'own' the naturally free animal.


link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_correct

Take your pick: PC is a challenge, because it can be the heart and soul of something which shows intolerance, bigotry and prejudice to its nth degree, or it can be what redeems something which might be offensive to too many. The Color Purple was a good example of a film which strove to be as "gentle" as possible for the subject matter, but didn't, in one second, shield people from the attitudes and mores of the people it told about.

Does that help? :)
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:51 PM
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5. Oh, okay! I saw your list, but didn't consider the movies you talked
about very "PC" in the social sense, so I wondered if you meant PC as in PC Computers - specifically Divx movies.

Now I get ya.

Hmm. I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:53 PM
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8. See #7
:)
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LeftyDarthBrodie Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:54 PM
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6. Why is owning those movies a bad thing?
"Schindler's List" is a very good film and tells an incredibly important story about a GREAT man. I didn't much care for SPR after the D-Day invasion but that opening sequence was incredibly intense and realistic according to men who served on that day. We should be proud of Oscar Schindler and the men who fought in WW2, the last just war we fought. Schindler's List should be difficult to sit through. If it isn't then you need to think about what causes you not to feel for those people and not what is wrong with the film Spielberg made.

There is nothing wrong with movies with a message in general as long as the story is interesting and not overly preachy.

As for films with "subtitles from foreign lands" some are better or as good as anything produced by Hollywood. Check out "The Sea Inside," a foreign film with a message but tells a great story about a remarkable individual. Check out "Downfall" the chilling story of the last days the Third Reich.

Despite my interest in these films I also own "The Manchurian Candidate" (the original), the LOTR Trilogy Extended Editions, the Harry Potter films and my other favorite films both "artsy-fartsy" and mindless entertainment. I own Bruce Willis movies and have enjoyed Mel Gibson films but can't anymore because of the vile piece of sh*t he exposed himself to be with his last film.

I don't think the films you listed are "P.C." I think they are intended for mature audiences seeking out films that deal with issues and make you think. And Political Correctness, not to an extreme but used in moderation, is NOT a bad thing.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:52 PM
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7. Would you be willing to change
the tone of those earlier, non-PC films? Would you be willing to sit through Schindler's List more than a second viewing?

It's not that these films aren't GOOD, because they are. What I meant was simply that for most people, seeing a movie more than once, owning it on DVD to see repeatedly, is not something most ordinary people would do with An English Patient, Saving Private Ryan, The Bostonians, etc. Ownership of ANY of these films is either for snootiness, or because you are such an extraordinary person who can tolerate the higher level of ennui that would and could result from multi-viewings of such films. I suppose some of it can be expressed as why people actually buy DVDs. Compared to the initial cost of some VHS tapes were in the beginning, ownership of many VHS tapes was discouraged so that people could rent them instead. I recall I originally, in 1983, paid $60 for a copy of Buckaroo Banzai. NOT something I would ever recommend for anyone who wanted to spend a lot of money on a wide collection of tapes. But DVDs now cost so little in comparison, and the quality is so much better than a tape made in the early eighties, that most of us can slowly build a decent collection of films without too much cash outlay, films that we enjoyed enough to watch more than once.

A friend of mine runs an artsy theatre that exposes the people around here to foreign films with subtitles, of Iranian, Brazilian, Argentinian, Iraqi, Turkish, etc. origin. His primary clientele are older people whose attention span is longer, who have excellent educations, who aren't the targeted audiences of films that sneer at PC. I get bored just from some of the descriptions of the films! I don't doubt that the films are good films, but they're just not my cup of tea. And, I will bet, they're not the general films that most of us would collect on DVD.

I guess my original question should have been more along the lines of what films people have on DVD that they enjoy repeatedly watching? Among those of mine would be Blazing Saddles, Young Frankenstein and other such very, very NON-PC films. I would rather see something along that line, which, on reflection, just doesn't have the same connotation as a more PC film.
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LeftyDarthBrodie Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:08 PM
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9. If a film works in the way the filmmaker intended it to work
then it shouldn't be changed. I have sat through "Schindler's List" on numerous occasions but it's not something like "Clerks" or "Mallrats" or "Garden State" (just my own examples) of movies I watch to make me feel better or that I can watch anytime.

I still haven't see "The English Patient" but mean to eventually just because there are such varied opinions on this film from people I respect.

DVD ownership, by a wide variety of people, is a result of the relative cheapness of the medium. Two of the things I look for when purchasing a film on DVD is how much I liked the film or tv show and if I think I'll watch it the film multiple times. I have been accused of being pretentious when it comes to my film tastes and I wear that as a badge of honor.

I would probably enjoy the films your friend plays at his theater and I laud his efforts to bring the films of talented filmmakers from all over the world to your town. I often find people around my age , 22, at these types of theaters but I am not sure of what their education level is. I have a B.A. and didn't meet people my age who enjoyed these films until I went to college.

I greatly enjoy many of the films of Mel Brooks and respect your tastes since you seem to enjoy his films also. Give some of these "P.C." films a shot though, you might enjoy them.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:20 PM
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10. Oh, I agree with you
on many films of that nature--seen them once, enjoyed the experience, but really wouldn't enjoy sitting through them again on multi-sittings!

As for the films my friend does, I had seen some many years ago, and really don't have the attention span any longer for them. But if you're ever in Worcester, Massachusetts, I can put you in touch with him!! :D
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texas1928 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:24 PM
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11. I have P.C.U.
does that count?
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:33 PM
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12. Hmmm....trying to think...
Heehehee, the most PC DVD I own is The Ten Commandments (with Charlton Heston as Moses) - the epitome of PC, I would say! I grew up watching this movie, it's a nostalgic experience for me.

I also have Anne of Green Gables (they air this every year on some station, can't remember) and its sequel, Anne of Avonlea...that would probably be PC. Would Emma (with Gwyneth Paltrow) count too? The only subtitled film I own is House of Flying Daggers.

Other than that, I own LOTR (extended editions), all the Star Wars movies, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Anna and the King, 50 First Dates, and many many others I'm too lazy to name right now. :)
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