Poor oppressed white man

[prolesunited]

Anyone care to dissect this one?

A poor, white man has to make it on merit alone. When he applies to college, he doesn't get extra points for being white or male. If a minority gets a job that he applied for because that person is a minority (and he's better qualified) he doesn't get to file suit because what that employer has done is lawful. He doesn't have scholarships aimed directly at him (for being white) because that would be racist and exclusive to minorites.

People of other races and cultures can make fun of him, call him derogatory names, minority comedians can say everything in the book about him but no one gets upset. If he's beaten up by a bunch of minorites, no big name civil rights activist comes rushing to his aid to bring media attention to the occurance. I see no outrage when he's targeted by a group of minorities (or just one) for being white. Hate laws don't apply when you're a victimized white man.

When he does something wrong, people don't make excuses for him. He should know better, he's white. And if someone practices prejudice or racism against you for the color of your skin, you don't get to complain. You have to suck it up and take it. After all, white men have been oppressing minorites for generations. When you're white, people can unapologetically make broad, sweeping generalizations about. Because everyone knows that all whitemen are rich, greedy capitlists that only want to get richer, make their friends richer, and oppress anyone who isn't a whiteman.

You don't ever get to play the race card, you're white. You deserve everything that comes your way. You have to pay for things that people who had the same skin color as you (who are now dead) did to people of a darker skin color than you. Even if you're the most loving, compassionate, tolerate white an in the country.

[Beware the Beast Man]

1. Well, when the white man spends 400 years being oppressed,

enslaved, lynched, scapegoated, and segregated, give us a call.

[Splatter Phoenix]

2. Bigotry of ALL walks needs to be stifled.

Including this.

[everythingsxen]

17. This too is dangerous thinking...

As you know give license to anyone who is non-white to lynch a white person, afterall, he deserves to feel what it is like to be a minority.

It also makes you sound like a racist.

You make it sound as though equality for all under the law isn't enough...

[nickgutierrez]

24. Equality under the law...

...is not the same thing as equality in practice.

[Beware the Beast Man]

40. Precisely.

:thumbsup:

[Taverner]

3. But white men do get extra points for something

it's called "Harvard"

[everythingsxen]

12. Lie

No, it's called "Being Rich".

Harvard at one time may have been predicated on race, indeed there may still be a racist bent there, however money takes precedence over race.

[miss_kitty]

23. Nah

It's called 'Being White'

[everythingsxen]

26. Oh I see...

Well gosh, I guess I should go, since they will just give me a degree in "being white".

Nay, you must be rich to attend Harvard.

[miss_kitty]

29. Oh yeah the Harvard thing

but hey-a lot guys do fine w/o it...

[bertha katzenengel]

4. Poor oppressed white man has had the strong upper hand in Euro-American

cultures since history was written. Kinda hard for "him" to cry foul now. What a crock of shit.

[nickgutierrez]

5. Punch the straw man! Punch him, punch him!

It's called "equality" - there are no "hate crime" laws for white people because they come standard. There is no affirmative action for white people because it comes built into the system. He gets scholarships for being white, because he's far more likely to get the type of high school education necessary to get these scholarships. And so on, and so on, and so on.

[everythingsxen]

13. That is a dangerous line of thinking.

It is not equality.

If there were no special laws for any race and all laws applied equally to all persons, that would be equality.

[nickgutierrez]

14. The laws are there...

...because what was there before "hate crime" laws simply wasn't being enforced. Obviously, it would be better if such legislation was not necessary, but that is simply not the case.

[Misunderestimator]

18. Dangerous? Dangerous? Ignoring racism is dangerous.

Pretending that the things we have done to TRY to balance the scales are now oppressing white men... that's dangerous.

If there was already equality, we wouldn't need "special" laws.

[everythingsxen]

19. Yes, it is dangerous.

Ignoring the problem is equally dangerous.

The source of racism needs to be healed and not compounded.

[Misunderestimator]

21. How does the author of this not compound the problem with his attitude?

And yes, ignoring the very real problem that there are men who actually think this way is dangerous. I agree.

[everythingsxen]

25. As I say in my reply to him below (#11)..

He is also compounding it. On a certain level, we white men have to accept the constant barrage from our society (and yes it is constant) that as white men we are responsible for all the ills of the world, we have all th power, all the money and we are stupid cretins who deserve to be insulted.

We have to accept it and let is pass over us, eventually we will deal with the real enemy, the rich.

[Misunderestimator]

33. You have to accept a constant barrage from society?

It's that kind of attitude that prevents someone from rising above racism.

I've seen your words so many times in so many ways throughout my life. Words that portray someone bitter about their fate in life... words that portray someone with no concept of the hardships of others.

Sure, you can be poor and white and a man. But that will NEVER mean that white men do not have more privilege in our society than black men... or men have more privilege than women. These are facts, and they keep everyone down, not just the poor, and certainly not just poor white men. To deny that white men do not experience privilege by pointing to individual examples of poor white men is "dangerous."

[prolesunited]

34. You should find a new excuse for your failure then

The people white men have tried to repress are simply finding equal footing. I guess when you *were* the ruling power, that might seem a bit unfair.

[Shoeempress]

6. Guess they will just have to take comfort in ruling the world.

[everythingsxen]

15. Right, sorry, I forgot I rule the world.

I live a pretty small and pious life; I barely make enough to live and what little extra I have, I give to anyone who asks. (whatever race they are)

Do we rule the world by being poor and owning nothing?

[Shoeempress]

31. With Powell gone, exactly how many people of color are in the

current ruling Junta? Condi, Alberto. Period, all the rest, white men. It doesn't mean all White men rule the world,just that the men who rule are pretty exclusively white.

[liberallady]

7. Double Standard

That is what you call the biggest double standard in the world! I once had a confrontation with a few black people because I told my friend (who was sitting be me)that I hated that rap crap that was playing. I was immediately called a racist. I am SOOO not a racist, I just can;t stand rap music. I do not like most country music either but that does not make me prejudice over kikkers.

[prolesunited]

8. kikkers?

What's that?

[bertha katzenengel]

9. People who listen to KIK-FM? Country station in L.A.

:shrug:

[liberalitch]

20. Reverse racism.... experience it all the time

I'm a history teacher.... so I talk to my students about cultural heritage....
They see nothing wrong with pan-africanism (or black pride), but if a white student says that they are proud of their french or (i don't know) norwegian heritage.... that kid is shouted down as a racist. UNTIL we discuss the difference between cultural pride and white supremacy. OFTEN (in 18 years of teaching) I have had black student be violently racist toward a white student but NEVER, has a black student ADMITTED racism..... I have white kids that tell me they're racist all the time. I try to demonstrate that they are wrong but......

BTW..... I have discovered (through experience) that if you hate hiphop.... you are immediately dubbed a racist....

BUT I hate C&W too..... does that mean I'm a racist with an identity crisis?

[Solon]

27. Never heard of that before...

Hell, look at St. Patrick's day and Irish pride, that shoots down your example right there. Then again maybe not, after all the Irish are only the n*ggers of Europe after all, have been for damn near a thousand years.

[cssmall]

30. But, look at the archaeological record of Boston and New York.

And, I apologize to EVERYONE here for these but these come from several pieces of work on the Five Points District in NY (where the movie "The Gangs of New York" takes place) and in Lowell, Mass.

Irish N*gger
Chink N*gger
Jap N*gger
Black N*gger
Spud N*gger
Wap N*gger

Those were designations for off the boat immigrants in those areas. Again, none of this, is how I feel about any members of any other ethnic group. It didn't matter what color you were or where you were from, if you were new and if you were different, you were insulted equally.

[kwassa]

39. Many black people hate rap, too, and most who buy it are white

It is a generation gap, more than anything else. Something like 80% of the sales are to white kids. The older generation of black people tend not to like rap.

Hiphop has been around for about 25 years now.

[jpgray]

10. Easy enough for the AA bit, anyway

Take two baseball teams of equal athletic ability. One has practiced and played the game since early childhood, has had access to the best equipment and coaches, and is beloved by the fans. The other has had almost zero opportunity to play the game, is given either the worst equipment and coaches or nothing at all, and is regarded with suspicion and contempt by the fans. Now, when the teams compete, the disadvantaged one that will lose, barring some extraordinary god-like ability or miraculous luck, is punished with even worse equipment and coaches, and is regarded with even more contempt and disgust than before. That's the way race (irretrievably tied to class) affects things in this country.

[everythingsxen]

11. Sure...

A poor, white man has to make it on merit alone. When he applies to college, he doesn't get extra points for being white or male. If a minority gets a job that he applied for because that person is a minority (and he's better qualified) he doesn't get to file suit because what that employer has done is lawful. He doesn't have scholarships aimed directly at him (for being white) because that would be racist and exclusive to minorites.

Unfortunately, there are white only scholarships. They are offered by groups like Stormfront and they are notoriously cheap and stingy.

I agree with most of the rest of the statement, as a white male myself, I am keenly aware of the fact that money isn't just handed to me and all my desires are not made real by the "Great White Conspiracy".

People of other races and cultures can make fun of him, call him derogatory names, minority comedians can say everything in the book about him but no one gets upset. If he's beaten up by a bunch of minorites, no big name civil rights activist comes rushing to his aid to bring media attention to the occurance. I see no outrage when he's targeted by a group of minorities (or just one) for being white. Hate laws don't apply when you're a victimized white man.

Well, that is a concious decision on the part of the (mostly white male) lawmakers. You see the true architects of evil (the superrich) need race to be a dividing factor among the poor. As long as there is mistrust and hatred among the poor for one another, the poor can never rise up as a collective group and overhrow the tyranny of the rich.

When he does something wrong, people don't make excuses for him. He should know better, he's white. And if someone practices prejudice or racism against you for the color of your skin, you don't get to complain. You have to suck it up and take it. After all, white men have been oppressing minorites for generations. When you're white, people can unapologetically make broad, sweeping generalizations about. Because everyone knows that all whitemen are rich, greedy capitlists that only want to get richer, make their friends richer, and oppress anyone who isn't a whiteman.

Now who is making broad, sweeping generalizations? As I said above, it is an intentional rift set among us by the forces of evil. I have and have had friends who were all races. None of them ever presumed I had some secret cache of money. They knew I was always generous and fair with my friends, even when I had next to nothing.

I hate to be cliche, but this truly must be "the white man's burden"; we have to be whipping boys for jokes and smears and even attacks. We have to hold our heads up and not let it get to us, until the poor of all races rise up.

You don't ever get to play the race card, you're white. You deserve everything that comes your way. You have to pay for things that people who had the same skin color as you (who are now dead) did to people of a darker skin color than you. Even if you're the most loving, compassionate, tolerate white an in the country.

I know how you feel, I really do. I have had this internal war with myself many times over. Unfortunately you must be will to sacrifice yourself and suppress your pride and let it go. If you let these feelings build into their logical extension, you end up no longer posting here but instead posting at StormFront or some other white supremacist site.

I know the frustration, but as I said, it is what it is and there is nothing you can do about it right now. Lead by example; show those who think you are bad by being white that you are just like them, etc.

[prolesunited]

35. I hope you didn't get the idea these are my words or thoughts

I just posted them so they could be mocked and ridiculed. I had no idea that anyone here would concur.

[kwassa]

38. What inspired you to post them in the first place?

If it was meant to be a joke, it didn't come off well.

It is an offensive arguement.

[Swede]

16. And when they go missing,Nancy Grace doesn't get worked up.

nt

[liberalitch]

22. I had a black student go missing last year.....

she damned sure wasn't on CNN.....

She's fine, she ran away from an abusive home to her uncle in niagra falls. She finally emailed all her teachers..... BUT THERE WERE SIX DAYS..... no kwamea
I felt sick the whole, time thinkin' of that child in a drainage ditch

[cssmall]

28. Like so many things before. . .

like so many things to come. Racial issues are intertwined with socio-economic issues, because people of other descents have been forced out of power by the dominant dialogue. However, there is a definite recessive transcript that is played throughout those time periods.

Personally, however, on my mother's side, my family arrived in the colonies in the 1600s. I have ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary War and, though I am not proud of what the Confederate States stood for, I am proud of the ancestor that fought in the Civil War because he did not fight for slavery, he fought against Sherman to prevent the burning of his home, the destruction of his land and the rape of his wife and daughters. My family has always been liberal on that side, not caring about skin color, simply because, though they look differently, they are in the same situation that we're in. And, there's no reason that they shouldn't be considered full productive members of the society.

However, I do not like rap music or country music. In fact, I am whitebread, I love metal and folk music (or anything that really tells a story). But, does that make me racist for not really wanting to hear music that defiles women, that advocates violence (no I don't listen to the metal that does), or that whines about anything under the sun.

That being said, whites are in power. Whites will, usually by nature, hire only other whites, will give only white scholarships and the like. It shouldn't happen, but it does. Affirmative Action has helped get people who happen to be of a different skin color into positions they could never get into before. But, this is supposed to be a meritocracy, not based off the color of the skin. Yes, people were oppressed for 400 years and people should be helped to get on their feet and make sure they have equal chances in life. Maybe if everyone had a home, health care, access to equal education, and the chance to have voices representing them in the government, then equality will be more tanigble. But, in the end, no one deserves to be given the short end of the stick if they have a line that reads like this:

Honor Student, 3.8 GPA, Football 3 years, Band 2 years, National Honor's Society, Who's Who Among American High School Seniors, Latin Club 3 years.

Instead of this:

2.6 GPA, Football 3 years

And the latter getting the scholarship or the job over the former. That is not fairness and it doesn't make up shit for the 400 years of oppression, it simply throws a sugarcoating on top of it. And, those lines don't mean shit, because they could be either black or white, because if the latter example is white and they get a scholarship, then there is something going on.

In the end, oppression will only be fixed if everyone rich, poor, black, white, Native American have equal access to education, to health care, to food, to housing, and to equal voice in the government. If you would like to hear what I think about equality in the school system, send me a PM, I'd be more than happy to talk about it.

[Solon]

32. I view this entire post to be racist in the extreme...

With generalizations both against minorities and false victimizations of the WASPs. For one, there are scholarships availuable for SOME white people, an excellent example is the descendents of the Mayflower scholarship. Many academic scholarships also focus, damn near exclusively, on white males. They don't advertise this fact, it simply happens, a coincidence, nothing to do with the ole boy's club.:sarcasm:

Since when do people in the MSM make excuses for minorities that do stupid stuff? As far as I can tell, they exaggerate such mistakes to the point of prejudice, and believe white people's words over minorities any day, especially when accusing blacks of crimes. *cough*Susan Smith*cough*

Since your talking about broad generalizations, let me tell you some of my own. In my own experience, as a white man, I'm MORE comfortable with people who are NOT of my race than those who are members of my race. As far as I can tell, at least where I live, most white males in my area are racist assholes who are half a step removed from the KKK. I don't like hanging out with white guys, mostly because they start talking about this exact same shit, with much cruder language. While I'm not black, I have seen what it is like when I go out with a black girl, on a date, and see how differently she is treated than white women I've been out with, at restaurants, bars, and even clubs.

Minorities in general start out in life two steps back from the white majority, and there should be laws to make sure everyone starts out on the same line.

[Lilyhoney]

36. Learn some Irish-American history, is what I say. nt

[Telly Savalas]

37. When we're done with this one...

can we tackle the flat earth thing next?