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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:24 PM
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Do You Believe in God
Or a creator
Are you religious or atheist
What do you think about religion


I personally cant stand any religion or the bible
but I believe in a God/Creator
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:30 PM
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1. Probably is not a God, just my belief as of this afternoon.
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Allenberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:30 PM
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2. I refuse to believe in anything without tangible evidence.
That includes fate, religion, a god, luck, or anything else.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:31 PM
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3. Try the religion/theology forums for this ...
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:47 PM
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4. I'm agnostic
I really don't know whether or not any God exists, and frankly it makes no difference to me. I have no use for organized religion whatsoever, but I was raised Pentecostal. I do, however, subscribe to the philosophy of secular humanism.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:48 PM
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5. I'm a deist
I believe in the existance of a higher power, a creator...but that's about it.

Everything else is just a maybe....or a can't possibly
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:36 PM
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36. Ditto.
I don't even like the word "religion".
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:52 PM
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6. Atheist
And never been happier.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:53 PM
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7. No. Now read Onlooker's reply in another post.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 04:54 PM by trof
I've never put this into words, so here's a first attempt.

We have a rational choice to be either destructive or constructive. We don't need religion or laws to choose the latter. The nature of life (and the universe itself) is to be constructive. Constructive forces tend to nurture life faster than destructive forces destroy it. That said, the universe doesn't give a damn if we choose to be murderers. Generally, we choose otherwise because the processes that gave us life are constructive.

Without god, all we can do is be honest with our feelings and say, hopefully, we have to help each other. Without god, we get only one chance to act according to what we believe and how we feel. Without god, we are responsible for the world around us. We can't pass the buck. For the sake of those we love and the things we believe, we need to do right in this lifetime. Besides, there are only two things that will remain of us after we die: the dirt we become and the memory of deeds we've done.

(My beliefs are loosely based on an essay by Freud that I read as a teenager. I don't remember the name of the essay. But, in it, Freud talked about parallels between the way the human body develops and the human psyche develops, with a natural tendency to be hopeful and positive. That essay somehow helped me understand how a godless world can be devout in its own way.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=4010741&mesg_id=4010741
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toey Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:53 PM
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8. i'm atheist, but the flying spaghetti monster is looking pretty enticing
for more info...click here :)

http://www.venganza.org/
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:53 PM
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9. Atheist, Humanist, Unitarian Universalist, Taoist
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 04:54 PM by Az
:hi:
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:54 PM
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10. I ma a devout Pastafarian
Raman!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:55 PM
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11. rAmen
May the Sauce be with you.
-Brother Bucatini
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:58 PM
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12. Ramen! HA!
:rofl:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:00 PM
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14. A fellow Pastafarian?
I DO hope so.
May the Sauce be with you.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:59 PM
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13. God Is A Myth. All Deities Are Myths.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:17 PM
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20. myth
Do you believe in a creator?

There has to be something, look at the way the Earth
spins around, and also the way it orbits the Sun,
and exactly the right amount of miles away from the sun.
The way grass and plants grow..............

Humans know 1grain of sand in a trillion mile beach
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:23 PM
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21. No. I Do Not Believe In A "Creator". Why Should I?
What evidence do we have that such a thing exists?

<< There has to be something, look at the way the Earth
spins around, and also the way it orbits the Sun,
and exactly the right amount of miles away from the sun. >>

At this point in time. It hasn't always been this way.


<< The way grass and plants grow.............. >>

What about the way that grass and plants grow. These are very basic biological principles and concepts that are very well know and understood by scientists and botanists.

<< Humans know 1grain of sand in a trillion mile beach >>

Ah... the "we can't know everything" rationale. Heh-heh.

~Allen

PS: Have you visisted the Religion forum and the Atheists group? The Meeting Room forum might still be active... I'll bet you'll find many discussions there that would interest you.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:40 PM
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26. rationale
We cant just all of a sudden be here, who was here before us
where did they come from?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:35 PM
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28. Why Not?
Why can't we just "all of a sudden be here"?
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gizmonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:04 PM
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15. I'm an Atheist n/t
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:10 PM
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16. Yes.
And it seems I'm the first one in this thread.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:13 PM
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17. I'm in the god of the month club.
This month's god : Re (Ra) the Egyptian god of the sun.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:15 PM
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18. I believe in God.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:16 PM
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19. I believe in a higher power.
But I don't go to church or pray or anything. I am spiritual though.
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IcyPeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:25 PM
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22. Apathetic Agnostic here . . .
I don't know and I don't care. seriously.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:26 PM
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23. Well...
"Or a creator"

NOPE


"Are you religious or atheist"

ATHEIST


"What do you think about religion"

The enemy of reason. Ridiculous nonsense. Probably be the death of us all.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:27 PM
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24. I believe in Him (nt)
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:35 PM
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25. Agnostic. Atheism and Religiosity are too confining
positions for me to adopt. I like Clarence Darrow's take;
"I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of."
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:00 PM
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27. Not in the traditional sense
more like a life force...
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:39 PM
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29. Yes, I believe in a God, a supreme being, a master intelligence
I am a practicing catholic.

I think there are a lot of religious people with very little genuine spirituality and a long laundry list of personal judgements. But there are no perfect people and I can deal with that.

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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:40 PM
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30. Absolutely yes...I believe in God...
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 07:43 PM by youthere
But I cannot stand religion-and I think for the most part that the Bible is a load of crap (at least the way that most so-called Christians interpret it).
I don't consider myself to be a christian-although I believe in the deity of Jesus-so maybe I'm a liberal christian (?). I have little or no use for church anymore and most "church people" disgust me.
I don't know what I am really, but I do believe in a divine power. Some people call it inner strength, some call it the power of positive thinking, I call it God.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:40 PM
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31. I don't know
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scarlet_owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:57 PM
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32. Yes, I believe in God.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:02 PM
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33. Interesting questions, but my position is the opposite of yours:
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 08:03 PM by the_spectator
I respect religion, and I even believe that Christianity was a Good Thing in the development of Western Civilization - I think it helped the eventual development of the idea of basic human equality and the equal worth of each human being.

But I CANNOT believe in a Creator God. Here's why: "God" has to be understood as perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful, and infinitely good. Such a being would not create existence as we know it: the facts of evolution show us that the development of higher life forms is the result of selfish, violent competition. Also, existence is ephemeral and unsatisfactory. Each living being is radically separate and alone from all other beings. There is nothing certain but aging, sickness and death. God would not create this. God, perfect and complete, by "creating" existence as we know it, would not be expanding or adding to anything - he (or she) would only be lessening and subtracting from the perfection that existed pre-Creation. To my mind, the Buddhists and the Gnostic Christians got it right. The Gnostics explain creation by proposing that the "God" that created, called the "Demiurge," was in fact a non-perfect, misguided, unfortunate emanation from true perfection. The Buddhists finesse existence as we know it by saying things like, "Ask not what is the nature of the arrow that pierces you, ask not where it came from, how it flew, what it is made of, who made it -- instead, just pull it out!"-(seek Enlightenment.) And the Buddhists also, realizing that no real, perfect "Creator God" could exist, teach that existence as we know it is merely ILLUSION -- something we "create" ourselves through our own misguided consciousness.

Well! That all may sound rather complex, but to me, it makes a lot more sense than believing in a Creator-God!
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:30 PM
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34. At this point,
I guess I'm a militant agnostic. I don't know, and you don't either. :P
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:31 PM
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35. Fuck no.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:39 PM
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37. I am a believer......
Not a big fan of organized religion, was raised a Catholic though. I love faith, I can't stand how religion is misused though. Hate it. I'm a pretty religious person, I pray several times daily, especially at night before I sleep.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:50 PM
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38. I am a gnostic
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raptor_rider Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:52 PM
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39. Father/Mother God
Yes I do. However I also belive that the Holy Spirit helps us along our ways in life, if we let it.
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