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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:18 PM
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Anyone care to offer advice re: maternity and birth photography?
I'll also go to the photo forum and see what they may think.

I'm taking photography courses. Will be starting another one in a few weeks. I'm very interested in taking maternity and birth photos.

I'm not at all sure how to proceed with this. I'm not a pro (yet)and since I don't have photos of of others that were pregnant or giving birth--I don't really know how to get anyone to allow me to do this for them. I mean, wouldn't people want to see samples of this kind of work, prior to allowing you to do this for them?

Anyway,any ideas or suggestions about this would be appreciated!

Thanks!
bliss_e. :hi:

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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:51 PM
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1. Hmmmm
I hope this doesn't sound catty, but is there a demand for that? I know that people like to have video/photos of birth, but generally (at least in all the situations I've been in) the one taking the pictures/videos is a family member and in the 'intimate circle' of the woman giving birth.

Granted, I'm on the 'nursing' side of the birthing business (just a nursing student, but in hospitals alot), and I've never seen a professional photographer in the room during births. I suppose home births may be different, but I've never heard of such a thing.

I would suggest possibly talking to some midwives or doulas in your area and drop your name and your card and suggest that if they have anyone who's interested to give you a call.

As far as a "portfolio", I agree that not only would others probably not want to see up close vaginal birth of a stranger, but I don't know that many people would allow their own up-close vaginal birth to be shared with strangers. But that doesn't mean that you can't take other photos--mom and baby, dad & baby, medical staff around the bed, etc, to show.

If you've not been in a birthing suite or around alot of real-life births, here are some issues you may have with logistics:

1) Birthing can take place in the course of a few minutes, several hours, or several days. Do you have the flexibility to schedule yourself to where you can go in to the hospital when mom goes and have the possibility of sitting around for 23 hours waiting for the bundle of joy to make its way into the world?

2) Birth, in many hospitals, is a crowded situation, even with just mom in the bed, dad by the bed, and Dr's and nurses. There's alot of tight spaces, and the room is generally dark (soothing to mom). You'd have to probably use a flash which may be a bit...er...sensory overload to mom and honestly a bit distracting to nurses/Dr's. And depending on if the birth is "routine" or "Not routine", you may not be able to weasel your way close enough to get anything but a shot that is 3/4 Dr's shoulder/back and 1/4 mom's leg. Even when I assisted a woman giving birth a few months ago, there were 4 people in the room including mom and you could not WALK in there the space was so tight

4) What would you do as far as these situations:
--birth planned for normal, but things turn and emergency C-section needs to be done. You won't be allowed in the OR (or even in the room if they do it en-suite)
--birth planned for normal vaginal, something goes wrong and there is an emergent situation (cord compression or god forbid stillbirth or blue baby, etc) These things come on VERY quickly and aren't always known beforehand. Oftentimes, the baby is 3/4 out of the canal before they realize that there's a cord around the neck, or it's blue, or it's in distress. At that point, about a billion people rush in and there isn't room for the nurses, much less a photographer, nurses, pediatrician, OB doctor and any other specialists that need to intervene in those situations.

When I've been involved in births, it's always even hetchy for me to be in the room because I'm "just" a student. Many women (and their families) are not too keen on strangers looking up their wahoo, you know. And babies aren't the only things that come out during birthing. You've got alot of poop and pee and vomit and blood....not the most flattering way to be remembered in most people's eyes. I just can't see there being a huge market for this, at least in the hospital-birth setting. I think the home-birthers would be much more open to it since they tend to be the type that (more often than hospital birthers) like 10,000,000 people around and don't care if the Pizza man sees them pooping all over themselves while they're crouched on their knees on the bed, ass in the air, going through the 2nd stage of labour and cussing like a sailor and re-thinking their idea of 'natural birth'.

I'd talk with midwives, OB nurses, and doulas. You can find the midwives/doulas in the phonebook. Get some ideas from them. If you're just getting started, tell them that and just ask them to run the idea by their patients and see if any of them have an interest in it so that way you know what you're looking at. Also remember that birthing doesn't always take place on schedule, and if you're contracting with someone to film their birth, you better be ready to hop out of bed at 4am and drive to their house with the possiblity of sitting around til next Tuesday waiting on Junior to decide when he wants to come out (and he will on his own damn time, thankyouverymuch :) )

Also, once you get your ducks in a row, I'm sure local hospitals and birthing centers wouldn't mind you putting up flyers on the 'community bulletin boards' they have there (at least we have them in our hospitals here). As always, get permission :)

Good luck--that sounds terribly interesting, I must say. Although I love watching births more than anything and participating is even more fun. That's where it stops for me---after seeing a live birth and being within 1 foot of a baby coming into the world, I made up my mind that NO WAY NO HOW would my body go through THAT rigamarole. Uh-uh!!!

:) :hi:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:29 AM
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2. If you do a google search...
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 12:35 AM by bliss_eternal
you'll find there are quite a few people out there doing 'birth photography.' Some doulas offer to do it as part of their support services. But that can make it difficult to truly photograph or videotape the entire experience.

Though some do see it as a very intimate and personal event, (I agree), some still do want documentation of it. Not every photograph of a birth need to be gratuitous nor graphic. Some families want this, some don't.

You are right in that in many instances, families will do this themselves, (i.e. the father snapping some pics, or another relative) there are those that want someone else not involved in supporting the mom to document the event. That way they get more pics, and sometimes better pics as the photographer is there to do that alone, and doesn't need to focus on supporting mom.

Most of this does occur in homebirths or birth centers as the hospital environment tends to limit the number of people allowed in the room.

Thanks for your suggestions--I have checked around and am still doing so, with those in the 'birth community in my area.' (doulas, midwives, pregnancy massage therapists, etc.)

On edit--here's a couple of links to birth photographers I found through google...

http://www.birthbalance.com/home.asp

www.pattiramos.com

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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:27 PM
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9. Wow! I am surprised
Not really surprised, because working in sales AND nursing, I've found that everything I thought was new and unique is old hat to many people!

I think that's great as far as birth photography---I hope I didn't sound like an asshole in my previous post. I just had never even heard of that ever! But I guess like wedding photos, you can have Uncle John snap photos on the 35MM and have them come out looking like crap, or you can have the professional do REAL photos that can be photo-journ. style or b&w or whatever and they come out looking much better and capturing the moment better than the picture of you and your husband standing by a cake that's obscured by a fuzzy finger :)

I'm a total proponent of home birth---I thought about going to midwiffery school before I chose nursing school, but decided to do the nurse thing THEN the midwife thing just because of the depth of knowledge (and hiring opportunites) i'd have as a nurse midwife than just a midwife. I was going to take doula training as well but started the nursing program earlier than expected.

Totally kudos to you. I am just blown away by the idea of this....I just had no idea :)
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:51 AM
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3. Heddi, You'd Be Surprised
There's an enormous navel-gazing industry out there, with everything from pregnancy boudoir photography to belly casts. Okay, maybe it's not that enormous ... just the clientele, and they're usually yupscale first-time birthers willing to drop a bundle of cash on documenting the world's first and only pregnancy and birth.

There's even a smaller industry in the "memorial" category of dressing, posing and photographing stillborn fetuses, and then building an internet shrine to it. I wish I were making this up.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:42 AM
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5. Oh, yes--the memorials--
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 03:58 AM by bliss_eternal
I'm pro memorial in the sense that it is something that helps the family to work through their loss, and may facilitate their healing process.

I understand that some photographers volunteer for nicu's and hospitals to offer this to those that have lost their children, prematurely...

Apparently, some of the nurseries do take a picture for the family, but it is usually a Polaroid which isn't going to last very long.

I have encountered one such memorial on the internet. It took me a few minutes to realize it was a 'memorial'... when I did realize it, I felt odd--like I shouldn't be looking at something so private--dunno' felt kinda' weird...




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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:50 AM
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4. I've only got a few seconds, but I would like to help you out...
I'm a doula and have some thoughts,

here's Reader's Digest version:

PG photography = HUGE market
birth photography= gotta find the right clients, and most dr's won't let you take the money shot anyway, focus on homebirths. realize that the nurse's info on being flexible, on call, and able to spend hours and hours at someone else's home is so very true.

I got alot more to say...pm me.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 03:43 AM
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6. Thanks fleabert--you've got mail!
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 04:03 AM by bliss_eternal
I just pm'd you!

I appreciate your willingness to talk with me...

:hi:

I wasn't sure about the maternity market, but it seems that more photographers focusing on maternity are popping up. One that is considered to be one of the best (and first) has three studios in three different, cities--San Francisco, Seattle and New York. I guess she couldn't sustain those studios if the interest wasn't there.

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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:15 PM
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7. one of my faves...
One of my good doula friends did some pg photos with this photographer

http://www.aboutpregnancyphoto.com/pn17.html

she's amazing.

(i'll write you more later) :-)
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 04:18 PM
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8. Thank you for sharing!
She does beautiful work! :D
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:29 PM
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10. An additional idea to go along with pregnancy photos...
Belly casting!

You could also do plaster of paris belly casts (ever see those?).
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:47 PM
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11. Hi SarahBelle--
What exactly are belly casts? I've seen people offering them, but had no idea what they were...

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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:57 PM
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12. Here's mine:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:09 PM
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14. Oooooh--that's so precious!
Who did it for you? Was it expensive?

I'd love to do that--I love creating and making things! I like the way you decorated yours, and the colors! So cool!
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:22 PM
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17. My ex-husband actually.
He asked me what I wanted for Mother's Day. I told him to do this and got the directions, etc. (not sure where they are, but it was relatively easy).
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:18 PM
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24. He did good work!
It seems to have held up pretty well--how old is it? It looks good!

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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:39 PM
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26. Four years old.
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 08:45 PM by SarahBelle
From May 2001 (I was about 7 & 1/2 months there). It still needs to be laquered (I'll do it eventually), but I quite like it. Nice keepsake anyway. :)
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:46 PM
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28. It's a very cool keepsake--
I wonder if anyone does the casting in stages--you know like 3, 6 or 9 mos., just to see the difference in growth. Then again, there may not be a big enough difference in size to be noticeable on a cast...

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:02 PM
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13. Could you do some sessions free or at cost to get your samples together?
If you called around to some of the local doulas, midwives, freestanding birth centers, etc they'd probaly be open to refering people to you. I think that'd be a better place to start than hospital births because the pics will probably look better w/o the harsh lighting and ugly hospital gowns.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:15 PM
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15. Thank you for the suggestion, LeftyMom!
Good idea!

I'm creating a list, from the phonebook and internet of birth centers, doulas, midwives, etc. Then I'll start calling around. A couple that I found through the internet, already have someone listed on their site that does photography--but I'll ask them anyway and put it out there.

You never know--sometimes people change directions, and maybe they aren't doing it anymore. Or sometimes they are in a particular area and don't really want to drive to other areas...

:hi:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:28 PM
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18. Make sure to ask what the going rate is while you talk to them
If there's a API chapter or La Leche League meeting in your area they'd probably be able to connect you with expectant families, too. If your'e willing to do shots of babies at the breast, be sure to get samples of that too. A lot of the big portrait studios won't do shots of the infant nursing so that's another niche you can explore.

Best of luck!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:07 PM
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21. Another great idea...
thanks so much!

I had no idea the portrait studios wouldn't do nursing shots--that's kind of dumb that they wouldn't...but oh well. I have no problem with it, and the shots I've seen of nursing babes are so adorable!

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:18 PM
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16. Well, I could never fathom that a picture of a baby squishing out of THERE
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 07:18 PM by HypnoToad
would be a kodak moment to remember for a lifetime... :puke:

And remember the rule of thirds...
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:32 PM
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19. The baby isn't the gross part
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 07:55 PM by LeftyMom
the nasty bit is the placenta. One minute you're (well, not you in the literal sense, but you know that I mean) minding your own business making friends with your new baby, the next minute something that looks just like a huge chunk of liver slides out of your privates. :puke:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:17 PM
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23. Speaking of placenta--
LeftyMom, did you check out one of the site links I provided above? One of the photographers takes placenta photos. :wow:

The first one I saw wasn't bad, as it was black and white. Not having children myself, I'm not familiar with placenta (what it looks like, etc.). Another shot she provided on her site, was in color, but it was flat, so it just seemed like a psychedelic tye die.

But if you click on the placenta link....whoa boy! :scared:


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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:29 PM
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25. Can't say I'd want a photo of my placenta
but since some people eat it, a photo seems pretty tame by comparison. Other folks plant a tree over it. I'd do that but more in a cheap "hey, free fertilizer!" way than a "let's honor the sacrifice of this gob of flesh" way.

Personally mine went to the hospital incinerator and that's fine with me. The kid was the part I wanted to keep, although some days he makes me wonder if that was the right decision. Placentas don't talk back or jump on the sofa.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:43 PM
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27. LOL, LeftyMom!
Can't say that I blame you (for not wanting that photo).

Honestly, I can't see myself even offering to take that picture. It's one thing if someone asks for it to be photographed. But I'm not going to offer...

You really do learn something new everyday (if you're willing)...I had never heard that people eat it, or plant a tree over it. Wow! Not at all sure why anyone would want to, but to each his own, right?

:shrug:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:33 PM
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20. C'mon. It would make a GREAT "coffee table book".

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:09 PM
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22. Only in an bulimic's home...
:hide:
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