Check in if you hate Dobson the CHILD ABUSER!!!!

[Taverner]

I hate the mothafucka straight up....

So share your hate for a man that not only promotes child abuse through flogging, but sells a Dobson switch, a long plastic stick that parents are supposed to use to "discipline" (or torture as I like to call it) their children.

[Mutley]

1. Oh. My. God.

:scared:

I knew that FREAK condoned physical discipline for children, but... but...

:wtf:

:wow:

This is just fucking NUTS!

[cssmall]

2. What the fuck are we? Horses or something?

Are you going to break me to ride or something? :wtf:

Dobson you're a dumb shit.

[Initech]

An excellent gift idea? What is he smoking and where can I get some?

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[TheMightyFavog]

43. For the S&M enthusiast in your family.

:evilgrin:

[nini]

3. I can't believe how fucking stupid some people are

"Promotes a loving atmosphere in the home"??????

:puke:

[xmas74]

4. He makes me want to vomit.

[HughBeaumont]

5. I should show this to the wife.

She's in Children's Services.

Dobson needs to be stampeded by horny elephants until there's nothing left of him but bones and tendon. He should be incarcerated, not given a national audience and book deals.

[tigereye]

9. I do mental health work with kids

and I can't believe that anyone takes this guy seriously! :grr:

Make that two of us!

[HughBeaumont]

13. Unfortunately, she deals with Dobson nutbags a LOT.

The worst is that one of her CO-workers recommended one of his books to her. Nice to know that people who are supposed to be protecting our children are disciples of this asswipe.

[tigereye]

46. wow. That is scary.

I would love to debate these guys on the road. But I suspect all the wonderful research about positive limit setting would be lost on them.

[Telly Savalas]

6. So how do you talk somebody out of this bullshit?

Millions of parents listen to this monster. Simply screaming that we should beat the shit out of Dobson and his followers with that rod isn't going to change their minds. Fixing the problem is more important than being outraged about it.

For the sake of their kids, there needs to be an organization out there which promotes truly compassionate parenting.

Anybody got any ideas?

[Taverner]

7. NoSpank.net

http://www.nospank.net

Good resource with lots of dirt on dobson....

[rbnyc]

23. Thanks for the link.

My husband and I have had an ongoing dispute about spanking. So far we have agreed that our son is not to be spanked unless we both agree to it, so effectively, he will never be spanked--but I'd like my husband to understand more about why I'll never agree to it. Always looking for back up.

[Taverner]

33. It's a great site...and surprisingly you could point him to Dr. Phil

As much as I detest Dr. Phil, he is an avid no-spanker.

[LostinVA]

35. Lots of DUers very much back spanking

Not judging, just saying.... my mom never spanked us, but disciplined us in other ways, and yeah, ways that worked when we were toddlers. I've always respected and gotten on with my mom very well. My Dad? He spanked us... not beat us, spanked, and I remember every time he did it: it was humiliating and soul-crushing, and it made me afraid of making him angry. I'm 40, and had an awful relationship with him until just a few years ago. My sister has never spanked my niece and nephew -- they a re 15 and 13, and great kids. Do great in school, etc.

On edit: when he started spanking is when I started stuttering. I've had two speech therapists tell me there's probably a connection.

[Taverner]

37. Connection? Oh most definitely

Studies show that spanking can cause Post Traumatic stress disorder....

[LostinVA]

39. I still stutter, just not as much... and guess when?

When I'm under great stress or am afraid. Oi.

[rbnyc]

52. maybe my post was unclear--I'm anti-spanking. (nt)

[MountainLaurel]

30. Take them out back with The Rod

Until they see the light?

:evilgrin:

After all, violence will help them learn their children.

:evilgrin:

[Trigger Hippie]

8. I have a friend with two hellions for kids.

She is also a pretty liberal person. But she loves this guy. She things his teachings are the only way to control her two brats. It doesn't work. They're still two terrible kids. :eyes:

[tigereye]

11. When there are so many other positive ways to help kids behave?

John Rosemond looks like a paragon of progressivism next to Dobson.

Incredible.

[Trigger Hippie]

15. My friend's just clueless, really.

I pity those children....:(

[tigereye]

45. people like Dobson make me wanna get an axe

to grind. ;)

n/t

[GrpCaptMandrake]

10. His exact words are to hit a child

"until he cries real tears."

Sick punk. Could someone beat him for his behavior until HE cries real tears?

These are the people who think they know what's best for us "normal" people.

:grr:

[Taverner]

14. Cries real tears? WTF????

:wtf:

That is just plain sick - IMHO the FBI shouldn't go up against S&M porn sites but real sickos like Dobson.

I love the bit on "confession" too - just like a good Soviet Gulag! "Dont have the kid justify his behavior, just confess...."

[GrpCaptMandrake]

17. The FBI can investigate all the want (but won't)

and this perverted monster will just gather his robes about him and hide behind the First Amendment.

:nuke:

[BiggJawn]

20. They probably DID.

"Could someone beat him for his behavior until HE cries real tears?"

I think he has some "issues" with his own father. In his little 1-minute daily TV Warm Fuzzies, Absent/Disconnected fathers are a re-occurring theme.

How LONG is that "rod", anyway?

[jane_pippin]

12. I sincerely hope that there is a god, and that said god will take a

moment to sit down with Mr. Dobson after he has shuffled off this mortal coil to explain to him in great detail--with charts and powerpoint slideshows--just how completely fucked up and wrong he was.

[redqueen]

16. Where are all the pro-spankers?

Step on up and get one!

:puke:

[BiggJawn]

21. Not me, man...

I was a "barehander", and my idea was to swat a little embarrasment on the bum, NOT flay the hide off them like they were in the British Navy...

My dad flogged me with leather straps. And I mean FLOGGED."Real Tears". Surprised I don't have scars.

Didn't "teach" me anything but what a jerk he was.

And he's STILL a jerk. "Do what I say, or I'll go change my WILL!".

Fuck his money. I'm doing the best I can right now WITHOUT it...

Wow...Just proved your thesis, didn't I?

[redqueen]

38. ...

:hug:

Don't you just love that tactic of using inheritance as a carrot/stick? I'm the same as you... fuck his money!

[BiggJawn]

55. Yeah....

If he only could see just how much that attitude is like "He was so ugly, we had to tie a pork chop to 'im to get the dog to play with 'im..."

I'd bet a buck Dobson's the same way with HIS kids...*IF* he has any.
Like taking diet advice from 250-pound "Dr. Phil"...

[LostinVA]

36. They usually come flocking to an anti-spanking thread

[brentspeak]

18. Reminds me of a Bloom County strip

Milo's dad becomes a Christian fundamentalist, and paraphrases a proverb to Milo while holding a belt: "Foolishness abounds in the heart of the child; but the rod of righteousness shall strike it far from him."

[GrpCaptMandrake]

19. May I Also Note

that the brochure above refers to making the child "confess his sin."

If one assumes we're talking about small children here, most so-called churches hold that children up to the age of seven are incapable of sin and lack "accountability."

One would assume that the use of this bully-fetish tool wouldn't go much past seven or eight, since at some point, the kid would be likely to take it away and beat the piss out of the aggressor.

So, in the long run, this stupid, mean, bigoted, superstitious charlatan is running directly counter to his own denomination's teachings in holding forth that babies are capable of "sin."

Not to get too windy here, but I'm getting a little tired of the concept of "sin" anyway. If Christ died for our sins, given the nature of most of the decent, progressive people I know, he died for nothing, because what would ammount to their sins don't add up to a hill of beans. It's all pre-facto justification for authoritarian oppression.

Screw 'em!

:mad:

[BiggJawn]

22. "Belts are for holding up pants"

Or disciplining 12-pound DACHSHUNDS....Right, Jimbo?

[Whoa_Nelly]

24. While I LOATHE Dobson, The Rod is from this site

What is shown in the OP is not directly from Dobson, although that Xtian bully, misogynist, and child abuser is a total waste of global air and space.

Here is a petition to ban the abuse of children through corporeal punishment:
http://www.stoptherod.net/rod-petition.html

This petition was started by Clyde and Twyla Bullock, the couple who previously manufactured, promoted and sold the ad re: The Rod.

Now they are against it.

<snip>
According to the StopTheRod.net web site, Clyde and Twyla Bullock once manufactured, advertised, and sold "The Rod," shown here, to whip children. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the rod is a "22-inch, $5 white nylon whipping stick... Named after the biblical 'rod of correction,' the Rod provides 'a faith-based way to discipline children ... and train them as Christians,' Bullock explains."

The rod's designer, Clyde Bullocks is a Southern Baptist. This design appears to be his interpretation of the "rod" mentioned in the book of Proverbs. Their advertisement read: "Spoons are for cooking. Belts are for holding up pants. Hands are for loving. RODS are for chastening." It refers to the rod as "the means prescribed by God," citing Proverbs 23:13-14: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." 7,8,9

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin13.htm

[Whoa_Nelly]

32. Apparently, no one cares that the OP and the originator of The Rod are not

the same...
But, what do I know...:shrug:

I hate Dobson and his :puke: organization, but The Rod that is being shown in the OP is not from Dobson.

[Taverner]

34. Sorry - I messed up

I confused the two - but Dobson did point listeners to "The Rod" when they were still in business....and he suggests use of a Rod in "Dare to Discipline."

And yes, cry real tears is all Dobson....

[Initech]

41. I love how they try to justify sales of the rod by...

Putting Bible verses in the ads.

[TheMightyFavog]

44. I could have sworn that i saw something similar..

In the S&M aisle of my local sex shop.

[Arkana]

25. That is fucking sick.

It puts Dobson right up there with Zarqawi, bin Laden, and all those crazy Iranian radical clerics--he's just as bad.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

31. He's not just as bad

He's the same damned thing!

Fundamentalists are fundamentalists, regardless of the particular brand. Poison is poison, whether it comes from Dow or DuPont.

By virtue of their monotheistic approach to a VERY radical message from a Palestinian carpenter-cum-rabbi, they prove that "love thy neighbor" isn't nearly as important to them as "render unto Caesar."

We're trapped in a dumbass struggle between "tastes great" and "less filling" and normal people the world over are the cannon fodder.

[miss_kitty]

26. I like how it states beating one's child

"promotes a loving atmosphere in the home." Christ. No wonder there are wife beaters and women who think that = love. :puke:

WHICH CHILD WOULD JESUS BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF WITH A SPECIALLY PURCHASED ROD?

[Fox Mulder]

27. It looks like an instruction sheet to punish dogs.

This is just fucking sick! :grr: :grr: :(

[Pithlet]

28. Sick

It's sick, and the number of people who follow him is scary. He promotes child abuse under the guise of Christianity. :puke:

[MountainLaurel]

29. Consider me checked.

Frankly, I think someone needs to take the fucker out back with one of these rods and have a go at him. After all, if it's OK for a toddler, certainly a grown man can take it.

:nuke:

[Shell Beau]

40. WTF?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

42. Can we test it on him for a day or so?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

47. As if there weren't enough reason to hate the idiot already...

He goes and starts selling a weapon with which to beat children. Good Lord. Just when you think you've heard the stupidest thing ever, this guy goes and does this shit.
Duckie

[MrScorpio]

48. The sick fuck

Really

[khashka]

49. He's a sick twisted motherfucker

He also has said in his books that a child should be spanked until the spanking results in sincere tears. (Yeah? Give me some time alone with the ratfuck bastard and I'll show him exactly what that feels like....)

It's basic behavioural psych - positive reinforcement (reward) for behaviour incompatible with the undesirable behaviour combined with negative reinforcement (removing something the subject likes or desires) of the undesirable behaviour is the most effective long term method of bevaviour modification. Punishment is the least effective (except in the immediate short term) and often has undesirable results in the long term.

And IMHO is entirely unethical and indefensible. I also think it sends a clear message: if someone does something you don't like, hurt them.

The man is a monster. And a complete jackass (you should hear some of his ideas for making sure your son doesn't grow up to be gay). He should be kept as far away from children and impressionable parents as possible.

Khash.

[Splatter Phoenix]

50. Anti-Gay?

Do tell. Does he recommend sodomizing them with those Medieval pike weapons?

[khashka]

51. Yeah, he's just a tiny bit anti-gay

He and his organization are one of the big movers behind the "reparative" or "conversion" therapy movement. The idea was that they could make gay people straight. Their techniques vary from the ridiculous to the abusive. For example, for men getting them to play and watch team sports, for women makeovers and teaching them the joys of cosmetics. (Apparently, they've never heard of the Gay Games or lipstick lesbians...). Some reparative therapists go so far as to use aversion therapy - showing a gay man pictures of naked men and applying electric shocks or drugs that induce vomiting. And, of course, accepting Jesus into your heart.

The problem with this (apart from being abusive) is that there has never been a single independently verified success. (I don't know if they are still offering it, but the Kinsey Institute was offering a substantial amount of money for any verifiable case of a change in orientation - they've never had to pay out.) Even the reparative therapy movement is backing off it's claims and now only claiming to be able to get gays and lesbians to live happy fulfilling lives as heterosexuals. Certainly it's not difficult to train someone to successfully mimic stereotypical "masculine" or "feminine" roles and public presentation. Or even train them to adequately perform sex acts of a different orientation.

But they are preying on very, vulnerable unhappy people. When these people find that their basic orientation has not changed - that they still have those same feelings for their own gender - it can be disastrous. Reparative therapy has a truly unaccaptably high suicide rate. It has been denounced by every major psychiatric, psychological, and medical professional association.

Recently, there was quite a controversy about a teenager named Zach who had been sent by his parents to a reparative therapy treatment center. He blogged his experiences and many people were outraged and the facility was investigated. It was determined that what was going on there did not constitute child abuse (although it certainly was pretty awful). So Zach was not rescued. The place was just recently shut down, though, for claiming to provide "medical" treatment while not having been licensed to do so.

As for the advice on making sure you're kid grows up straight as an arrow.... Well, one such gem of wisdom was that sons should shower with their fathers so that they can see that Daddy has a penis just like theirs only much bigger. The point of which entirely escapes me. Is it because they think we're gay because we have an insatiable curiousity about whether other men have penises? Or that seeing a penis larger than our own will frighten us so badly we'll never want to see another one? I agree with what Dan Savage said about it, I've seen a lot of big dicks in my time and not once has it ever induced a desire to become heterosexual.

These idiots would be laughable if they weren't actively destroying people's lives.


So, yeah, I'd say Dobson's a little anti-gay.

Sorry about the long rant, but as an ex-therapist and a fag it's kind of a sore point for me :)

Khash.

[Splatter Phoenix]

54. Aww...

*pets* if it's any consolation, I fully support gay rights (and fancy myself an anti-sexual).

That shit should be illegal. Just another reason religion should be kept within strict confining boundaries.

[really annoyed]

53. I despise him....

I try not to have outright hate for a person, but him.... I'm almost over the edge!

[Zero Division]

56. Check out his story about "reasoning" with his dog:

http://www.nospank.net/dugan.htm

"When I told Sigmund to leave his warm seat and go to bed, he flattened his ears and slowly turned his head toward me. He deliberately braced himself by placing one paw on the edge of the furry lid, then hunched his shoulders, raised his lips to reveal the molars on both sides, and uttered his most threatening growl. That was Siggie's way of saying. "Get lost!"

"I had seen this defiant mood before, and knew there was only one way to deal with it. The ONLY way to make Siggie obey is to threaten him with destruction. Nothing else works. I turned and went to my closet and got a small belt to help me 'reason' with Mr. Freud."

...

"What developed next is impossible to describe. That tiny dog and I had the most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast. I fought him up one wall and down the other, with both of us scratching and clawing and growling and swinging the belt. I am embarrassed by the memory of the entire scene. Inch by inch I moved him toward the family room and his bed. As a final desperate maneuver, Siggie backed into the corner for one last snarling stand. I eventually got him to bed, only because I outweighed him 200 to 12!"

A classic authoritarian personality type gone out of control.