Any Egyptologists in the house...?

[QuettaKid]

what is/was the name of that chair on 2 poles that the slaves carried the royals in on....? a throne? seems like there should be another name for it....

[nickinSTL]

1. they're usually referred to as litters or sedan chairs

terms which aren't Egypt-specific.

[malta blue]

2. I'm pretty sure you are right on that one. eom

[cssmall]

3. It's like an eariler poster said, just a litter.

Now the Red and White Crowns are important and if you would like a fairly in depth examination of burial patterns at Abydos, I'll send you a paper. :D Just kidding, of course, it would probably bore most people to tears. I wrote it and still fall asleep reading it.

[MN ChimpH8R]

4. How about an in depth analysis of just who was related to who

at the end of the 18th Dynasty. I still like the theory (now out of fashion) that Amenhotep III was the father of the whole group (Akhenaten, Smenkhkare and Tut) and that Horemheb may have been the son of Aye.

Serious Egypt geek here.

[cssmall]

5. It was PD and actually I did a comparative analysis between Abydos

and Heirankonpolis. I know more about the morphology of the skeletal remains of Tut and the examination that was documented late last year and eailer this year. But, Amenhotep, through some sources, does appear to be the father of Akhenaten, Smenkhare and Tut. Horemheb. . . I don't know him, but I do know Aye.

The only problem of the previous theory is this: if the Egyptians wanted to remove you, then would just rip your name off the walls, monuments and everything, so it makes geneaology really hard, especially right there at the end of the 18th Dynasty

[MN ChimpH8R]

10. Wonder if the Antiquities authorities

would allow DNA sample collection from all the known and suspected bodies of the family of Amenhotep III? The results would be interesting reading.

[cssmall]

12. I doubt it.

And, what would it prove? The DNA likely to be store is so brittle it may not show up to an conclusive proof. :shrug:

[djeseru]

14. The Antiquities Service keeps saying no anyway.

The one question I have is the one that JoAnne Fletcher (I know, I know, I really shouldn't pay her much attention)brought up, is who are the ones still in Amenhotep II tomb? Tiye? Is the grotesque one a female?

Sorry, I'm probably outta my league here...just an armchair Egypt geek...

[cssmall]

18. Though I may not agree with her, I will not personally attack her.

She did some pretty unethical and biased archaeology in working with that tomb, attempting to attribute it to Nefertiti (I can't spell that fucking name). Overall, I wouldn't believe another word of what she says until she reorganized her research models. There are so many good Egyptologists out there like Bob Brier, who's research is all but ignored by most large circles of Egyptological thought. And, here this woman comes and sets back the field 50 years.

[djeseru]

22. Agreed.

I've enjoyed reading Bob Brier as well. I've found Ms. Fletcher a bit disconcerting...I'm still astonished they let her into that tomb...

Was comparing Abydos to Hierakonopolis that dry? I'm sorry, I don't mean to keep prying, but I am still just fascinated with those two places.

Oh, and Saqqara.

[cssmall]

23. Yeah, it's pretty dry. Especially when you're talking about bone

morphology in Pre-Dynastic burial sites, which both were. Grave goods and respect to the dead. It's all pretty ritualized by the end of the PD period by the "Scorpion King," what ever his real name may be.

It wasn't my finest work and it was more clerical work than anything else. It wasn't even gray literature.

[MN ChimpH8R]

19. Ah yes, KV55

one of the great mysteries of Egyptology. Seems to me it almost has to be Tiye, but whether the male is Akhenaten or Smenkhkare we may never know.

http://touregypt.net/featurestories/kv55.htm

[djeseru]

21. KV55 is one that I'm so fascinated with...

...it's too bad so much was lost when they cleared that tomb. =(

The one I was originally referring to is KV35, with the side rooms that held the other cache of New Kingdom royalty. Ms. Fletcher recently did a show on the Discovery Channel claiming that one of the bodies there is that of Nefertiti.

This is my absolute favorite Thebes site, with material from Dr. Kent Weeks included: http://www.thebanmappingproject.com/

I spent hours reading through that site, especially since the likelihood of me getting to see the Valley of the Kings are slim and/or none!

[cssmall]

24. Well, there is a Valley of the Queens as well.

But, note this: at one point, the Egyptians removed their kings and queens from old burial chambers to the better hidden ones. So, it's all jacked up. Unfortunately, unless we carbon date every mummy, which mayn't give us good enough timeline, and then DNA match all the mummies, which would take YEARS. Unfortunately, I know more about PD mortuary practices than even mummification, pyramids and the like.

[LibertyLover]

20. Horemheb

Horemheb came after Ay and is the last king of the 18th Dyn. He seems to have been a general during the reign of Akhenaten, as Great Commander of the Army. Some theorize that his name during the Amarna period was Paatenemheb. During the reign of Tutankhamen, Horemheb had many titles and roles. His tomb at Memphis records him as being, among others: sole companion of the king, seal bearer of the king of upper and Lower Egypt, foremost of the king's courtiers, master of the secrets of the palace, overseer of all divine offices, and overseer of all the king's officers. At least he wasn't named Ornament who makes glad the heart of the king! His second wife was Mutnedjmet, sister of Nefertiti and possibly a former wife of Akhenaten as well. After's Ay's death, Horemheb became king, and took over a lot of Tutankhamen's and Ay's monuments. He may have been responsible for starting the removal of Akhenaten's name from monuments and erasing him from history. It is not certain, but it may have been Horemheb who started the razing of Akhetaten. His throne name was Djeserkheperure Setepenre. His birth name was Horemheb Meryamun. Traditional king lists give him a reign of 59 years, The highest regnal year recorded for him is 13, although one of his statues does seem to record a year 27. He nominated his vizer, Paramses to succeed him. That vizier took the name of Ramses and became the first king of the 19th dyn., was father to Seti I and grandfather to Ramses II. All in all an interesting period of Egyptian history. I did a masters thesis on art styles of the Amarna period.

[nickinSTL]

7. don't think it's likely

I think that Akhenaten was the father of Tutankhamun and probably Smenkhare as well.

I just don't think the timeline works very well otherwise.

I've never seen any suggestion before that Horemheb was related to Aye, I don't think...

Another serious Egypt geek :hi:

[trackfan]

6. Maybe a palanquin? n/t

[miss_kitty]

8. Sedan Chair?

[CrownPrinceBandar]

9. Ding! Ding!Ding!...........

We have a winner!

[anarch]

11. while we've got the Egyptologists' attention...

what's the consensus on how come the Egyptian civilization started out somehow knowing how to build things like the Great Pyramid, and all the other really amazing feats of technology, seemingly from the very genesis of the civilization, and then as time passed seemingly got worse at it? Did they just get lazy? :wtf:

[cssmall]

13. Okay, here's how this works.

The Egyptians could build and it took a lot of practice to get where they got, but because they wanted to protect the tombs of their important, they moved they began doing different things to protect them. As time passed, the quality and the money became a problem and then the Greco-Romans took over.

[djeseru]

15. Having to re-organize repeatedly...

...over a such a long expanse of time, I can see where this idea or that idea might have been lost as well.

[cssmall]

17. Which is pretty much what happens to a culture when it doesn't alter all

that much over an extended period of time. I have a total of one project dealing with Egypt. I have studied it, but never truly worked there. I am work in Historic America. Contact to the 1950s.

[Lisa]

16. you mean, like this?

I believe that's a sedan chair.

I think that if it's a bedlike thing you recline on, with or without a canopy, that would be a litter. (The Romans used both as well.)







Of course, one of the problems with litters in particular is that they were quite long -- and with that kind of turning radius, once you got off the broader avenues and into the twisty sidestreets of most ancient cities, it really tended to clog the traffic. So the authorities discouraged their use by putting up warning signs on the walls: "No Litter".

Okay -- so I made that last part up. Sorry.