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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:32 PM
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A conservative Christian told me vegetarians can eat eggs
Anyone else see the irony?
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:33 PM
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1. Chicken Abortion ?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:34 PM
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3. Think bigger: What's it say about their assumptions of life versus embryos
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:33 PM
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2. save unborn chickens! n/t
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:35 PM
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4. That is funny . . .
. . . in a disgustinly weird sort of way.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:35 PM
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5. Where is Foghorn Leghorn when you need him?!!
Where, I say, where is Foghorn Leghorn?!!




http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:39 PM
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7. ALL eggs...or just the BROWN ones? nm
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:46 PM
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8. Oh, that's classic! LOL!
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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:58 PM
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55. That was rich (eom)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:46 PM
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9. Hens will lay eggs even if they are not fertilized. So all the eggs we
eat are not fertilized and have no chance at life. Just a by-product. Like wearing a wool sweater.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:14 PM
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19. In this part of the country, the eggs are fertilized.
You don't buy them from the store, you buy them from your neighbors or steal them from the chickens in your back yard.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:57 PM
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42. Even then - they are not always fertilized. Actually - I do not know
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 01:58 PM by applegrove
what I am talking about. My info is very old & acquired when I was a child. Just walk on by. Ignore me.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:51 PM
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10. A few years ago
my family had a big party to celebrate my uncle and aunt's 50th wedding anniversary. Dinner was prime rib, per their request. One of my cousins refused it, turned to the waiter and announced she was "a vegetarian. I don't remember what kind (no fooling - as will be seen), but we only eat vegetables, dairy products and eggs. Do you have any fish?" I was very tempted to ask her if the fish fell under the vegetable, dairy or egg category, but this particular cousin was not known for her sense of humor or her intelligence (obviously) Those of us who heard her smothered our laughter until she vacated the table for a few minutes then nearly wet ourselves laughing.

Perhaps your conservative Christian figures that if it doesn't look like meat, it doesn't count?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:13 PM
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18. A lot of vegetarians do eat fish.
It just depends on why the person chooses to be vegetarian.

Some do it for health reasons, so fish is still an option. Also, some choose not to eat meat due to factory farming methods and they don't see wild caught fish as an issue.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:23 PM
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25. Well, since there is no controlling legal authority
I guess anyone can claim to be a vegetarian. My 12 year old daughter sometimes says she's a vegetarian, except that she still eats hamburgers and chicken about six days a week.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:24 AM
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60. Yeah, that's my nine-year-old ..
announces she's a vegetarian ... just before she lays into a 6-oz. steak.

Hubby and I just wink at each other.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 02:55 PM
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44. Well
yes, I know that some vegetarians eat fish. That's fine with me. But what I, and the rest of the family sitting nearby, found amusing and ironic was that my cousin had announced all she ate was vegetables, dairy products and eggs and then turned around and asked for fish. It was a huh? moment.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:41 PM
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49. Fish is definately in the fruit group.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:32 AM
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63. Those would be the fake kind of vegetarians
Fish is not a plant.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:57 PM
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68. FYI
Fish are categorized in the animal kingdom, not the plant kingdom. Someone who eats fish is not vegetarian.

The problem most veggies have with acceptance of this type of classification is that it makes eating out very difficult for us when people assume that we eat fish. Holy crap, I even had one ignorant waiter tell me that there are red-meat vegetarians. :wtf: I laughed in his face & told him to buy a dictionary. If this isn't up is down, white is black type of language manipulation, what the hell is?
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:55 PM
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11. This thread confuses me!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:16 PM
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21. Sorry. Think on the pro-life claim that fetuses are human beings but
then they assume that chicken fetuses aren't living animals.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:24 PM
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28. Oh...okay. Gotcha
I raise chickens, actually. I pretended it was for Y2K but I never believed that stuff. I just happen to like chickens. I also raise geese. I once found 24 goose eggs in an old tire. I had been LOOKING for that nest for weeks.

I'm ... um... NOT a vegetarian.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:33 PM
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36. That's okay. A lot thought the post was about vegetarianism, apparently.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:46 PM
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50. Who eats living animals?
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fredtaylor Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:55 PM
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12. Vegans don't eat eggs. EOM
eom
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:56 PM
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13. "The Culture of Omlettes."
Who will speak for the unborn chickens? :bounce:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:00 PM
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14. Here is a quick primer on vegetarian "categories"
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 01:01 PM by FLDem5
1. Vegan - no flesh, dairy, eggs, leather, jell-o or anything that causes an animal death, discomfort or is a by-product of such.

2. Ovo-Vegetarian - no flesh, no dairy, but consumes unfertilized eggs.

3. Lacto-Vegetarian - no flesh, no eggs, but consumes dairy products.

4. Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian - no flesh, but eggs, dairy etc. are fine (I believe the majority of vegetarians fall into this category).

5. Pesci-Vegetarian - I do NOT know why this is even a category - but they eat fish and shellfish - why they are a vegetarian I don't know.

6. Part-time vegetarian - eats flesh less than once a month - not an official category - but many fall into this - again, odd category.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:13 PM
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17. You left off the ubiquitous "Laco-Ovo-Hamburgero vegetarians"
They are vegetarians until they pass a Jack in the Box.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:26 AM
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61. That's my nine-year-old!
Good intentions, for a split-second, anyway.

I'm bad - one look at a juicy filet mignon ..
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:15 PM
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20. I am a Pesci-Vegetarian.
I do eat seafood, but I don't eat anything with hair, fur or feathers.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:25 PM
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30. I'm a pesky vegetarian
I pick on people with odd exceptions to their vegetarian diet! :-)

(Just teasing cause I thought it was funny, not cause I have a problem with your diet!)
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:22 PM
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24. You forgot the fruitarians...
A step above even the vegans.

Bless 'em, I certainly couldn't hack it.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:25 PM
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29. Pesci-vegetarians are funny people
"Yeah? How am I funny, like a clown? What is so funny about me? What the FUCK is so funny about me? Tell me. Tell me what's funny."

Either that, or they're just old-time Catholics who TGIF every day.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:51 PM
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41. I like the part-time vegetarian category, but it needs a better name.
I like "veggie-centric." I prefer my diet to be made up largely of veggies, but I don't object to meat every now and then.
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lakemonster11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:33 PM
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47. I'm like that.
I feel like meat should be eaten occasionally, not every day (and certainly not every meal). This is mostly a matter of personal taste (I *love* vegetables, and meat has always made me a bit squeamish), but I also hope that it's healthier, more economical, and better for the planet.

When I'm living by myself and cooking for myself, I tend to eat an entirely vegetarian diet, but if I go out or am staying with my parents, I eat meat more often.

People can be really annoying about it. If I order a vegetarian entree, people look all taken aback and say "Are you a vegetarian?" as if only a vegetarian could stand to eat a meal that didn't include meat. I'm sure this is annoying for actual vegetarians, too, but at least they don't have to answer "no" and then try to explain why they, say, hiked all the way over to the one stand at the baseball stadium that sells veggie dogs (cooked poorly) rather than eat a meat one.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:30 PM
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54. Oh, I totally agree.
When ever I order a veggie burger at a burger joint, people always get all, "Oh, I didn't know you were a vegetarian" and then look at you oddly when you say, "I'm not."

I don't usually explain, though, because I think it's not entirely fair to tell them disgusting stories of slaughterhouses, factory farming practices, and mad cow while they are enjoying their nice burger. Better to wait until they're finished. :evilgrin:
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:37 AM
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65. I've heard it called
Flexitarian.

My husband is Lacto-Ova/Pescitarian. He doesn't eat much fish, tho. Not terrible fond of it but eats it when there are few choices.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:23 PM
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53. And plain ole "vegetarian"
Between Vegan and Ovo-vegetarian on your list

Vegetarian - no flesh, no dairy, no eggs.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:59 PM
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56. pesci vegetarian, isn't that an oxymoron?? i know people who will
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 04:59 PM by AgadorSparticus
eat fish and still consider themselves a vegetarian and it boggles me. i don't consider them a vegetarian. if you eat meat, you eat meat. fess up.

i admire those that are vegan or vegetarian for noble causes and are humble about it. but some are just self righteous and that is annoying.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 05:00 PM
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69. Here's my fave classification of vegetarians:
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:03 PM
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15. what about ikura?


that's a lot of little fish souls sitting there.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:34 PM
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37. Genocide!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:04 PM
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16. Most eggs aren't fertilized. No harm no foul.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:18 PM
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22. Nice pun, considering what hens are.
:)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:18 PM
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23. So what? We know that half the fundie the guys eat sperm,
but on the QT
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:23 PM
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26. Some do and some don't. My last boss was I guess what's
called a vegan. He and his family never ate anything that was alive. No eggs, nothing cooked in bacon grease, no fish, etc.

They used milk because the cow didn't have to die to provide it.

We used to always have a cake for birthdays in the office. His was always a real blast!
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:25 PM
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31. If he drank milk, I don't think he'd be called a vegan, right?
Vegans don't eat any sort of animal product, whether or not the animal didn't die to provide it. (Eggs, btw, can be non-fertilized if there is no rooster present).
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:40 PM
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38. I don't know. He never said anything except his religion forbad killing
any animal.

He was soo radical about that belief, when he built his $2.5 million house, he wouldn't let them treat the lumber for termites because it would kill the bugs! We were all in a meeting at our warehouse one day, and a wasp was flying around the table. Everybody in the room wanted to swat it, but knew better because the boss was there! Then, very quietly, the boss got up from his chair, stepped over and captured the wasp very gently in the cup of his hand, wleked over to the door, and released it to the outside. That's just the way he was.

He was a pretty nice guy, and business smart too, so we all just went along with his preferences.

It was an interesting 6 years while I worked there.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:46 PM
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39. I like him.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:28 PM
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32. They lived on milk, honey, and sunshine?
Unless they did, they couldn't avoid killing something for their sustenance :)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:31 PM
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33. Fruitarians
wouldn't have to kill anything to eat it. I've never heard of a lacto-fruitarian, though.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:33 PM
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34. Ah, got me
Right, fruit too. Forgotten that :)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:48 PM
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40. Wait
Those who nosh cukes, plantains, and so-called seedless watermelons get no slack. And thoe guys who scarf pomegranates wholesale without shitting in the back forty are right bastards!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:42 AM
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67. That would be a lacto-vegetarian
Vegans don't drink milk. Well vegan babies drink human milk, but other than that, no milk.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:23 PM
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27. Heh heh
:eyes: Oh brother.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:33 PM
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35. I love eggs.
Speaking of eggs, what's the difference between the white ones and the brown ones?
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 01:59 PM
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43. Am I
the only atheist vegan here? We're not all that rare.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:41 PM
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57. I'm an atheist vegetarian.
I go vegan now and then, but only for health.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:37 AM
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66. No.
:hi:
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:03 PM
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46. found this.....more then you'll ever want to know...lol
Regarding your question about white/brown eggs. Chickens
characteristically lay either white OR brown eggs (or even some other
color, like green). This is pretty much due to the genetics of the breed
of chicken, although I imagine that diet can have a minor effect on the
color of the shell. So white chickens generally lay white eggs, whether
they are on the farm or in mass-production facilities. Brown chickens
(like Rhode Island Reds) lay brown-shelled eggs...these may be what you
think of as 'farm chickens.'
As to the cholesterol content of the egg, I guess the best way to
state the answer is that a chicken egg is a chicken egg is a chicken egg.
The cholesterol is found in the yolk; cholesterol is a fat-like compound
that they human body can make easily, so there is no official
recommendation for a minimum intake in your diet. The average egg yolk
contains about 220 mg; there is never any differentiation in nutrient
tables as to white vs. brown eggs...or any other color shell, for that
matter. The difference that you might have noticed in the color of the egg
yolk is due to other compounds, not to cholesterol; and, the color is
partially due to the diet that the chicken has been eating. Vitamin A-like
compounds (carotenes) may impart more yellow to the yolk. These compounds
are found throughout the plant kingdom...and chickens, especially
free-range/farm chickens would have more access to these plants (like
dandelions?). Egg producers sometimes add these compounds to the
food formulated and fed to 'factory chickens' to make the yolks more
yellow, too.
Some nutritionists seem to think that cholesterol in food is a problem,
so you will see some recommendations to keep the cholesterol level in your
diet to about 300 mg/day (about the amount 1.5 egg yolks...a yolk contains
about 220 mg). However, since your body makes the stuff, limiting or
restricting cholesterol in your diet (eggs, butter, meats) will only
upregulate your body's production to some genetically preset level, for
most people. The cholesterol level that doctors measure when you have a
cholesterol screening done is the cholesterol in lipoproteins, which are in
your blood. This has little relationship to the cholesterol that you have
eaten. Actually, this cholesterol (in lipoproteins) is more affected by
quantity and quality of fat in your diet, your level of exercise, genetics,
and a few other factors...not so much by dietary cholesterol. This is an
unfortunate and pervasive bit of misinformation that I'd like to see
cleared up for the public.
One last bit of egg-trivia: a duck egg, which is somewhat bigger than
a chicken egg (70 g, as compared to 50 g) has 620 mg cholesterol/yolk; a
goose egg (144 g) has 1227 mg cholesterol/yolk !!...and a quail egg (9 g)
has 76 mg cholesterol/yolk. So can you figure out which of the four has
the most cholesterol/g egg? Enjoy!

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:01 PM
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45. Eggs are vegetables of a chicken's loins...
...as created by God on the fifth day, after lunch. If you weren't such an unrepentant sinner, you'd already have faith that this is true.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:35 PM
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48. Call me a prude, but somehow, I just can't handle thinking
about chicken loins right now.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:12 PM
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52. I know someone who can...
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:10 PM
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51. As influenza vaccine in made from eggs,
would vegans get vaccinated?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:34 AM
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64. In many cases, no
Likely some would view it as an unavoidable evil. I'd skip it.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:45 PM
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58. An idiotic high school health teacher
told me that vegetarians are people that take the skin off of their chicken. No joke.

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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:50 PM
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59. DH found an egg with four yolks.
Now I feel bad because we took pictures and then put the fried egg in the freezer.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 11:27 AM
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62. I am having constant trouble with this at work
The vegetarian option containing eggs. I don't eat them.
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