"You never know what your womb could be the receptacle for."

[friesianrider]

Oh....my....God. I have absolutely read it all now. Was having an argument with a pro-life nut, and she says to me:

"The point is, you never know what your womb could be the receptacle for. I once read that Leonardo DaVinci was the product of rape."

RECEPTACLE?! Are you kidding? Is this what women are now? We are only receptacles?

Oy vey. I need to get out of the house.

[jpgray]

1. Pro-life nuttery aside, the womb is essentially a baby receptacle

It's not like wombs write mystery novels or something in their off years.

[friesianrider]

3. Well...

Many of one's body parts could be given derogatory terms like that, but they aren't....I think it is absolutely disgusting to call it a receptacle.

[Left Is Write]

14. I agree with you.

It IS derogatory.

As for the pro-life nut, ask her what she thought of the wombs that brought forth the likes of Hitler and Charles Manson.

[friesianrider]

25. Ha! Funny you say that...

She said "well, who knows how much worse the world would have been without Hitler." Well, I can think of some people who would take that risk...geez.

:wtf: This woman is truly off her rocker.

[bicentennial_baby]

8. ....

:rofl:

[Book Lover]

2. He was also the product of a certain type of upbringing,

the cultural/social/political/religious/familial environment he grew up in. If he had had a childhood accident and lost the use of his arms, he wouldn't have been the Da Vinci we know today, now would he?

These people!!!

[philosophie_en_rose]

4. Well, it is uter-us, not uter-you.

:eyes:

Seriously though, I find the insensitivity and hateful reaction to rape survivors disgusting. That nut is lucky that she's never faced the pain of being raped and forcibly impregnated.

[friesianrider]

5. I think it is so offensive...

When these assholes act like you are somehow a bad person if you want to terminate any pregnancy - let alone pregnancy as a result of rape. I give kudos to any woman who can continue it...but I know for a fact I couldn't and wouldn't.

I'd just LOVE to know how she'd feel if her 11 or 12 year old daughter came home raped and pregnant by some scary Hispanic or African-American coke-addict. I'm so sure she'd tell her she'd be wrong if she chose to abort.

[Bunny]

7. What if her daughter came home raped and pregnant by some

scary White coke-addict?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. i think the point of the post was that a lot of rightwingers

are also racist..so black/hispanic baby in your daughters womb would be that much more offensive

[friesianrider]

27. Yes, thank you LP :)

I wasn't trying to sound racist there, but to say just like you said: that to these people, a black/hispanic man impregnating their little girl would be MUCH scarier.

[philosophie_en_rose]

26. It's really a control issue.

For instance, the Bushes aren't really pro-life. Most of them, like Barbara Bush, are pro-abortion as a form of eugenics. You're so right about the fundies hypocritically aborting unwanted babies OR forcing their daughters to give birth.

Pregnancy and childbirth are beautiful things. But, like sex, it's torture and immoral to force it upon anyone. Their issue is control. When they tell little Britney Joe to abort her baby, it affirms their control. When they legislate it, it affirms their control.

It's sick.

[Left Is Write]

38. The reproductive rights issue has always been about control for them.

It cast a much wider net than just the issue of abortion/no abortion. It's never as black and white as that, and it comes down to control. (I know I'm preaching to the choir here!)

[geomon666]

6. I knew it!

I knew it was only a wonder purse. You can put anything you want in there smugglers!

[diplomats]

9. When I hear that argument, like what if DaVinci's mother had

had an abortion, I always want to say, "What if Hitler's mother had had an abortion?" Nuff said!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. some womb was also the receptacle of said rapist

what stupid logic is that?

[jpgray]

12. That's a good response

[flvegan]

11. She found the spin to support her thoughts

So an abortion after rape is wrong for many reasons, but also because of what wonderful person might be born...that's what they want. They need to spin the negative thoughts that might stem from someone giving birth to a child that was the result of a rape.

Just a talking point, spoken by an idiot.

The backspin is, "okay, they you're saying that rape is okay, right? I mean, since a genius MIGHT be conceived."

Fuck those idiots that might say that. They didn't LOSE control and respect of their own bodies, they gave it away.

Receptacles, indeed.

[TrogL]

13. Kittens!!

Cow-orker: If you do that, Harry the boss is gonna have kittens.

Trogl: Can I have one?

[Oeditpus Rex]

15. 'It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them'

"But you can't have babies!"

"Don't you oppress me!"

"I'm not oppressin' you, Stan, you 'aven't got a womb! Where's the fetus gonna gestate? Y'gonna keep it in a box?"



(Edited to add photo.)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. thats wicked funny

:rofl:

[chaska]

16. Wanna make her head explode?

Scream back "Da Vinci was A FLAMING QUEEN!" That'll mess her up, but good.

No offense to gay folk. Love ya'll.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. i only wish i had a flaming queen smiley

[Oeditpus Rex]

21. Or tell her how many NEKKID people he painted

:wow:

[eyesroll]

20. At least the "not even in the case of rape" people are consistent.

I'll give them that. There's a certain hypocracy about "well, it's a baby and therefore murder if it's through regular intercourse, but it's OK if she's raped." That, to me, is more about control and "consequences for sex" than about genuine concern for the unborn.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. i tend to agree

either its a baby or not...if it murder than its not ok to murder anyone...etc...

[Left Is Write]

39. You're exactly right.

Having to carry the pregnancy to term is punishment for "bad" girls.

[mondo joe]

23. It could be the receptacle for the next Bill Clinton too.

Or the next FDR.

Watch Freeper-Head-Go-Boom.

[bridgit]

24. an odd argument, true...leonardo was considered "illegitimate"...

http://www.crystalinks.com/davinci.html


oddly though, John Warnock Hinckley, Jr...was not, so go figure :shrug:

[zanne]

28. Why do some women insist on being slaves?

It boggles the mind. I can understand someone who really believes that life begins at conception, etc. But to give people permission to treat you badly in the name of religion just hurts women everywhere. There are women who would subject their daughters to carry a baby conceived in rape, EVEN IF IT WAS A DANGER TO HER HEALTH! Do these women hate themselves and their whole gender? Does anybody understand this?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. internalized sexism

and a true belief that a fetus is a real baby...and often poor education

[Lisa]

30. receptacle? What, does she keep her car keys, glasses, etc. in there?

I confess, I got the giggles when I was reading this thread.

[tanyev]

31. Countdown to the Republic of Gilead.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. that book was scary

[tanyev]

33. I just re-read it a few weeks ago.

Much scarier now than when it first came out.

[Jamastiene]

34. Tell her she may be a mere object, but you are a human

being and demand to be treated as such. Btw, if it was me, I'd ask her if she had hugged a suicide bomber today and walk away. I'd like to start a campaign where some of us suggest that to pro-Iraq war types that won't serve but won't shut up about it, pro-lifers (or so they call themselves that) who won't shut up and see bombing clinics and demeaning women as ok, and other freepy freeper fundamentalist asshole types: do us a favor and go hug a suicide bomber. Fuck I hate them.

[TroubleMan]

35. "It's not a purse! It's European!"

Sorry, it just made me think of a Seinfeld episode.

[Ikonoklast]

36. The first thing I always ask so-called "pro-lifers"

is if they are in favor of the death penalty.
Of course they are, Good White People that they are.
Then I call them a hypocrite to their face.

[TroubleMan]

37. Add that one to this list:

Things you have to believe to vote Republican today:

1. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy
made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy
when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

2. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with
China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

3. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest
national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

4. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without
regulation, especially so if they are paying women less than men.

5. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary
Clinton.

6. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

7. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

8. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then
demand their cooperation and money.

9. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health
care to all Americans is socialism.

10. HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at
heart.

11. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but
creationism should be taught in schools.

12. A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense.
A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is
solid defense policy.

13. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution,
which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

14. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George
Bush's driving record is none of our business.

15. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a
conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you need our prayers for
your recovery.

16. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft
can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

17. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but
what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.