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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:48 PM
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cold sores in a 2 year old's mouth?
anything I can do? My 2 1/2 year old daughter has had a cold for the past few days & some sores inside her mouth. On Friday, they were a few little spots. Her cold seemed to be getting better, but then I noticed tonight that she was moving her mouth back & forth and kept putting her finger in her mouth. So, I opened her mouth to check it out and she has a huge blister on the inside of her left cheek. Since it's now 9:45pm and she's still awake & not going to sleep soon, is there anything I can do to comfort her?

I've given her infant motrin for the pain, but that hasn't really helped too much tonight after seeming to do the trick on Friday & Saturday.

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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:48 PM
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1. baby orajel.
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purr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:50 PM
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2. I 2nd that...
Works wonders!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:58 PM
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3. thanks
good idea. she's never really had sores before. colds & runny noses, but never this.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:06 PM
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4. Hey, I use that stuff on my OWN cold sores!
It works, so I third the suggestion!

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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:04 PM
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8. thirded
that stuff is like magic
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:17 PM
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5. Take her to the doctor.. It might be thrush
Poor little babe:(
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:29 PM
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6. I'd worry about thrush, an indicator of infection and ...
... and a stressed immune system.

I'd almost bet an antibiotic would fix her up in hours.

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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:05 PM
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9. antibiotics do not work on thrush
in fact they often make it worse.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:24 PM
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10. You beat me to it.
Thrush is caused by a fungus. Antibiotics kill bacteria.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:27 PM
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13. Yes indeedy!
similar fungus as the one that causes vaginal yeast infections.

If a doctor mentions antibiotics within a square block of me, I get a yeast infection.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:25 PM
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11. from the symptons
it sounds like Herpangina, or at least has some of the symptons. I ran out & bought some infant orajel or ambesol (they all have the same active ingredient)

she finally got to sleep a little while ago.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:03 PM
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7. and another possibility is an allergic reaction which could
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 10:10 PM by SoCalDem
cause her throat to swell shut, and suffocate her.or coxackie virus ...I would visit the ER..Sores/hives/bumps inside the mouth of a toddler is never "routine"..





MOUTH SORES, COXACKIE VIRUS (HAND, FOOT, AND MOUTH DISEASE)
Your child has a high fever, is very fussy, is drooling everywhere, and is refusing to eat or even drink her favorite juice. These are common symptoms of sore throat, teething, as well as ear infections, but one often overlooked cause of this group of symptoms is mouth sores. Here are some tips to help you through this very bothersome and painful, yet not serious, illness.

HOW DO I TELL IF MY CHILD HAS MOUTH SORES?
Click here to see pictures of the sores on hand, feet and mouth.

You may see sores on the outer lips.
Gently pull back the upper or lower lips. You may see white or red sores on the insides of the lips or on the front gums.
Gently pull back the cheeks on each side and examine the inside of the cheeks with a flashlight. You may find some sores there.
Shine a flashlight at the back of the mouth while your child says "ahhhh". You may see red or white spots in the throat or on the tongue.
TOP THREE CAUSES OF MOUTH SORES
Hand, foot and mouth disease (coxsackie virus) – this is by far the most common cause of mouth sores. It usually affects children ages 6 months to 3 years. Symptoms include:
High fever – often up to five days.
Severe fussiness – this is often the worst part of the illness.
Severe mouth pain or sore throat
Copious drooling
Refusal to eat or even drink
Rash – small, red or white spots may, but not always, appear on the hands or feet (thus the name of the illness). A red, lacy rash can also appear anywhere on the body.
Herpes virus– this is different from genital herpes. Symptoms are generally the same as for hand, foot, and mouth disease except that herpes does not cause spots or rash on the rest of the body. There are two unique points to know about herpes of the mouth:
Recurrence – once your child contracts this illness, the virus usually will dwell within the nerves inside the mouth for life. It can flare up during periods of stress, illness, or injury to the mouth. It can also cause cold sores on the lips throughout life.
Finger sores – occasionally the virus can spread to your child's fingertips from chewing on them during the illness. This will cause very large, white and red sores and swollen fingertips (different from the small sores and no finger swelling with hand, foot and mouth).
Canker sores– these are usually one or two large white and red sores in the mouth that result from trauma such as biting the tongue or bumping the lip.
HOW DO I TREAT MOUTH SORES?
Cold liquids – Popsicles, slushies or frozen juice can both sooth your child and provide needed fluids during this illness. Acidic foods like orange juice may be painful for your child
Medications
Acetaminophen or ibuprofen can help with the pain and fever. If needed, you can alternate between the two, giving something every three hours. Click on each for dosing.
Mylanta/benadryl/xylocaine mix – this is a very effective regimen that will sooth and numb the sores for a short period of time. The first two are over-the-counter, and the third is prescription. A pharmacist can mix them for you. This should only be used by children old enough to rinse and then SPIT it out. The xylocaine shouldn't be swallowed.
Benadryl– this antihistamine is available over- the-counter. It does nothing for the pain or fever, but it can help make your baby drowsy so he, and you, can get some rest. Click on it for dosing.
Acyclovir– this is a prescription anti-viral ointment that can be rubbed onto external sores. This only works for herpes sores that are on the outside lips or face. It works best if started at the first sign of a herpes or cold sore. Preferable when the itching begins and by past experience the child know the rash is soon to appear
IS MY CHILD CONTAGIOUS?
YES! It is VERY contagious, mostly via the saliva. When the fever has been gone for 2 days, and your child is back to her playful, happy self, then she is no longer contagious.

WHEN TO WORRY (AND NOT TO WORRY)
This can be a very painful and bothersome illness, but it is not dangerous. The expected course is fever, fussing, drooling, not eating, and barely drinking for up to five days. The sores and drooling can continue on longer than this, but they are usually less painful with time.

Dehydration– this is a big worry for parents during this illness since kids will go for days not seeming to drink much at all. Most children will get mildly dehydrated, but it is very rare for a child to get too dehydrated where medical intervention is necessary. Just do your best to push cold or frozen liquids, and your child should be okay. Click on dehydration for more info.
My child hasn't eaten for days! – Don't worry. Children can go without food for several days during an illness, as long as they are getting some fluids with sugar. Your child may lose weight during this time, but he'll gain it back when he's well!
CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR IF:
Your child has a fever more than five days.
Your child is acting unusually ill.
Your want your doctor to confirm the illness so you know what to expect.
Your child shows signs of moderate to severe dehydration. Click on it for more info.

Recurrent mouth ulcers can also accompany many systemic disorders, such as:
inflammatory bowel disease
cyclic neutropenia - recurrent, cyclical episodes of mouth ulcers, fever and neutropenia (low white blood counts)
gluten-sensitive enteropathy
periodic fever syndrome (PFAPA), in which children get episodes of fever, aphthous stomatitis, pharyngitis, and cervical adenitis every 2-8 weeks.
vitamin deficiencies, including iron deficiency anemia, and folate, zinc, or vitamin B12 deficiency
Behcets syndrome, with aphthous stomatitis, recurrent genital ulcers, and eye lesions.
HIV





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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:26 PM
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12. I'd agree.
Call the pediatrician tomorrow. Any shortness of breath at all, go to the ER.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:59 PM
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14. Has she been eating tomatoes or oranges lately?
Salsa or lots of OJ? That could be food allergy. I'm 45 and I still get canker sores if I eat very many tomatoes or drink too much OJ. I just about wanted to die when I went to Florida last time and was drinking fresh OJ all the time. I came home in major pain...

If that is what it is, DO take her to the Doc, they can help her. There are also mouthwashes with peroxide in them that you could maybe put on it with a q-tip that will also help speed up the healing.

Canker sores are an allergic reaction--often to high acid foods. Check her toothpaste to see what is in it. Sodium Laureth Sulfate can provoke canker sores-and it is used as a foaming agent in most toothpastes.

Good luck and hugs to that poor little kid.


Laura
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:01 PM
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15. I was allergic to strawberries & canteloupe as a kid
Of course I LOVED both of them.. I eventually outgrew the berry allergy, but canteloupe gives me hives in my throat when I eat it.. Even a teensy piece will do it.. Watermelon does not :)
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:54 AM
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18. she has o/j pretty regularly
so, i'm pretty sure that it is not a food allergy. the only food allergy we've discovered in 2 1/2 years has been soy products like tofu or soy milk... and, with that, she has vomited and not had any other ill effects.
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:18 PM
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16. Look behind her ears, and in her armpits.
If you see spots, call the Doctor. Otherwise, orajel is your best bet.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:00 AM
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20. no spots
thankfully.

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:21 PM
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17. see if you can get her to rinse with warm salted water, make it strong
and have her spit it out. It will close over the blisters and ease that up pronto.

Use the motrin, and up the dosage a tad.

As someone else said, she could be reacting to a piece of fruit, but more likely, it's a cold sore, generally brought on by a virus.

The dosing of motrin will help, keep it up... and keep it routine, do it every few hours per instructions. Rinse with the salt water a couple times a day, and lots of love. Not much you can do about viruses.

Aww, good luck with the little lady.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:55 AM
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19. Good luck
And good ear plugs to ya
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