I saw a truthout sign today....

[Left Is Write]

It was in downtown Boise this afternoon. The car was a red Volvo, and taped to the back windshield was a simple white sign with "http://truthout.org" in large letters in the center. That's heartening to see in Idaho.

[aePrime]

1. Yeah

but Boise's the liberal hotspot of this place.

[Left Is Write]

2. Yes, downtown Boise is the most likely place to spot progressives...

thought I wouldn't quite call it a liberal "hotspot."

[aePrime]

3. You're always so down on my state

It's rather discouraging. You don't seem to appreciate any of the good things of the state.

I said, "but Boise's the liberal hotspot of this place."

[Left Is Write]

4. I appreciate plenty.

But I can't say I appreciate the politics, which was what I was talking about.

You haven't read all of my posts on the subject of "your" state (I live here too, you know), because I've offered people plenty of positives for visiting here.

Can you tell me why YOU are discouraged about MY feelings on Idaho politics?

[aePrime]

5. I know you live here

That's why I'm familiar with you. There are so few of us Idahoans on here, that when I find one, I'm apt to remember.

I meant "my" state in that I'm a native, but you only seem to claim Idaho when it's to your convenience. In other posts you've been clear to point out that you're not an Idaho native and that you seem to be here against your will. I live in Idaho on my own accord. I lived in Los Angeles for a couple of years, which is about as liberal as it gets, but I still chose to move back to Idaho.

It's true that I haven't read all of your posts on the state, but as aforementioned, I know of your posts, and have developed a general feeling of your attitude toward the state.

There is little in Idaho politics for which to be grateful, but I wasn't speaking solely of politics. Larry Craig is an ass, but there are some things to be optimistic about. Idaho's longest-serving governor was a Democrat -- Cecil Andrus. He left office in 1995, which isn't all that long ago, so there's yet hope for the state.

[Left Is Write]

7. *You* weren't speaking solely of politics, but *I* was.

That's why I said I was GLAD to see a truthout sign here, and it's somewhat remarkable as being the only one I've ever seen. My post was political, but you seem to be taking my remarks personally.

No, I'm not from Idaho. But I do live here, send my kids to school here, and pay taxes here. Can you point to an example of my "claiming" Idaho for my "convenience"? I ask for an example, because I really don't know what you mean by that.

I don't like Idaho politics, and I don't know why saying so makes me a bad person. I don't like that the conservatives are starting to take over my home state of Minnesota either. Is saying so a bad thing?

Let me quote back your own words in reference to DU: "There are so few of us Idahoans on here..." Exactly. And that's part of the problem.

[aePrime]

9. OK

I wasn't taking this post personally. I simply tried to point out that Boise's not as bad (even politically) as you made it seem in the original post. When you shortly refuted this, it just added to my perception of you really being down on the state.

Alas, your posting is so prolific that with the advanced search being down I cannot find the thread I remember. We were in discourse again, and you said something about you living in Idaho, but Minnesota being your home. I say you use it for your convenience because in this thread you're claiming to enjoy Idaho to counter my opinions, while in the other thread it was clear that you were pining for Minnesota.

I don't like Idaho politics, and I don't know why saying so makes me a bad person.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. This is clearly a hyperbole. It's really just a disguised ad hominem attack through implication.

[Left Is Write]

10. Oh, for heaven's sake.

Ad hominem attack? And you're accusing me of hyperbole? You were clearly unhappy about my remarks ("it's discouraging"). You seemed to be upset about my thoughts on Idaho politics, the progressive aspects of Boise notwithstanding. You accused me of "claiming" Idaho for my own "convenience". I don't think it's a stretch for me to have reached the conclusion that I am not your favorite person.


I will address this: "We were in discourse again, and you said something about you living in Idaho, but Minnesota being your home. I say you use it for your convenience because in this thread you're claiming to enjoy Idaho to counter my opinions, while in the other thread it was clear that you were pining for Minnesota."

I have never made any secret of my desire to go back to my home. I have never made any secret of the fact that I love Minnesota. That DOES NOT preclude my being able to enjoy the amenities here. The two are not mutually exclusive.

This is a political site. I am in the political minority here in Idaho. Therefore, you will occasionally find me here discussing Idaho politics in an unfavorable light. If that upsets you, I suggest you make use of the ignore feature.

[aePrime]

11. I'm not trying to offend

but it's obvious I've done so.

I don't think it's a stretch for me to have reached the conclusion that I am not your favorite person.

That is a stretch. I'm not lying in saying that I most often enjoy your posts, it's just that I've never seen you say anything good about Idaho. I'm not saying you haven't, I've just never seen it.

Since you are so attached to Minnesota, you'll understand my irritation, even if my perception is wrong. You develop a loyalty to the place from which you come. If you felt the same person kept picking on Minnesota, it'd annoy you after a while as well.

[Left Is Write]

12. People pick on Minnesota all the time.

Usually it has something to do with the weather.

If you've never seen me say anything good about Idaho, I can guarantee you've missed a lot of posts in the last year. I have said much in praise of Boise, the mountains, and the mild valley winters. I have praised the school district my children are enrolled in.

My negative remarks about Idaho have been political. And that's not going to change until the progressive movement takes hold here.

Edited to add: my original post in this thread was not a negative, you realize. I was sharing the happy news that I'd seen the truthout sign.

[aePrime]

13. Your original post was not negative

but your reply to my reply was. I meant to imply that I wouldn't have been surprised to see it in Boise, but felt your reply was a little snide and condescending.

[Left Is Write]

14. You read what wasn't there.

[skygazer]

15. I'm going to jump in here

Her reply to your reply was not negative nor was it snide or condescending. She said, and I quote -

"Yes, downtown Boise is the most likely place to spot progressives... though I wouldn't quite call it a liberal "hotspot." "

How is that snide, condescending or even negative?

Major over-reaction, dude. Way to make a transplant feel welcome in "your" state. :eyes:

[rug]

6. An argument over Idaho?

[aePrime]

8. Yes

And I must apologize to Left Is Write -- I killed her thread, since I made it so unappealing.