Do You Think Hillary Has HONESTLY Forgiven Bill For His Adultery? Or..

[arwalden]

... was not getting a divorce the most prudent and logical thing to do for the sake both of their careers?

[LeftyMom]

1. Who cares?

Really it's none of our business why they stay together.

[arwalden]

4. Uh... HELLO-o-o-o?

:hi: I'm right here! I care... that's why I asked.

Piss all over my thread... why dontcha?
Hey... you missed a spot over there!

[jonnyblitz]

30. LOL!

:hug:

[arwalden]

42. Heh-heh... Thanks Jonny!

:hug: back atcha!

[DainBramaged]

51. You are right, why must SOME PEOPLE sniff around other

peoples' dirty laundry?

[arwalden]

52. Well... For One Thing, It's Interesting...

and for another thing... when the moralists, puritans, and other prudes roll their eyes, complain, and publicly judge and scold me... it makes it all the more fun.

[DainBramaged]

54. True, but I just thought you liked underware. (LOL)

[arwalden]

55. All Depends On Who's Wearing It...

... if you know what I mean. Nudge-nudge. Wink-wink.

[DainBramaged]

56. Know whatahmean, know whatahmean, Say no more.

[Name removed]

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[arwalden]

71. Oh... Good Lord! Give Me A Fucking Break!

What it is about my interest in Hillary and Bill is so "annoying" to you, TreasonousBastard?? Please explain how my interest in them so personally affects you to the point that it drives you to take cheap shots.

<< I guess everybody should have a hobby... but some hobbies are a lot more annoying than others. >>

"Hobbies"? Oh brother! :eyes: Nice... real nice.

[terrya]

72. Why is speculating about this "annoying"?

Tell me how this is any different from speculating about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie or Jennifer Anniston and Vince Vaughn. Or Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes.

Hey, "Big Dawg" is a celebrity. As is his wife. She may be talked about as a future President (God help us all), but they're celebrities all the same.

If Bill Clinton had kept his dick in his pants and remained faithful to his wife, this discussion would haven't even been brought up. But, there you go. And in this celebrity, "Access Hollywood" driven culture, discussions of celebrities lives are a fact of life. And there's certainly no reason why anynore should feel restrained about talking about it on DU. Unless Skinner announced some new rule about it that I'm not aware of.

[Susang]

73. Me-ow!

Got the claws out today, I see. :eyes:

[Mizmoon]

65. They are public figures too

and that makes any part of their lives open for speculation.

I think she barely tolerates his existence these days. He humiliated her in front of the whole world and she'll never be over it. I think it hurts him to know that he can never truly undo the damage.

They did love each other deeply once - you can see it in their law school photos together. Sadly, those days are gone for them. The only thing they have in common, and the only thing that unites them in any way, is Chelsea, whom they love dearly.

[gollygee]

2. I doubt this is a new issue

I doubt she just found out after 20 years of marriage that he had a tendancy to cheat. Some people find that they can live with that. My guess is she decided it was not a deal-breaker a long time before he became president.

[terrya]

3. Divorce was never an option, IMO.

A divorce would have been a huge distraction for her political aspirations. I don't think she's forgiven him for his adultery...I'm only speculating, of course....but I think she's very...realistic?

[philosophie_en_rose]

5. Not my business at all.

It doesn't matter and all that can come of this question is speculation.

[arwalden]

6. Of Course It's None Of Our Business...

... that's what makes it so interesting. Why do you think that People magazine stays IN business, eh?

She's a public figure that interests me. Her life also interests me.

[philosophie_en_rose]

12. It's a free country, but I think it's a little disgusting.

Paris Hilton is one thing, but degrading democratic leaders for personal issues seems to be counterproductive and disrespectful.

:shrug:

Maybe I'm just sensitive after so many years of hearing the right wing say the same things. What's next? A poll on what brand of feminine products she uses?

Some things are really private. I fully admit to being snarky and gossipy, so I don't condemn you at all. However, I'm just really uncomfortable with the idea of this.

[arwalden]

14. I Fail To See How My Interest In Her Life Is "Degrading"

<< Paris Hilton is one thing, but degrading democratic leaders for personal issues seems to be counterproductive and disrespectful. >>

Degrading? Disrespectful? --- Oh brother!


<< Maybe I'm just sensitive after so many years of hearing the right wing say the same things. What's next? A poll on what brand of feminine products she uses? >>

Hey... *YOU* thought of it, not I. :eyes:


<< Some things are really private. I fully admit to being snarky and gossipy, so I don't condemn you at all. >>

Heh-heh-heh.


<< However, I'm just really uncomfortable with the idea of this. >>

I'll bet that another more interesting thread will come along any minute now. Goodbye! :hi:

[philosophie_en_rose]

17. You don't see how it's degrading?

to make up nonsense that you can't possibly know about someone's private life (especially in a completely unfunny way)? That speaks for itself.

I'm not actually reading this thread, I've only responded to "My posts".

Enjoy your thread. :goodbye:

[arwalden]

19. Jiminy Crickets!

<< "You don't see how it's degrading?" >>

Wow. Please tell me how it's degrading to be interested in a PUBLIC figure?

<< to make up nonsense that you can't possibly know about someone's private life >>

How absurd! Maybe someone DOES know. Where's the harm in wondering aloud?

<< (especially in a completely unfunny way)? >>

Well considering that I wasn't TRYING to be funny, what's the problem with that?


<< That speaks for itself.>>

Oh brother! -- You REALLY want to know what "speaks for itself"?? I'm responding to it right now. :eyes:

<< I'm not actually reading this thread, I've only responded to "My posts". >>

Yeah... I see how "disinterested" you really are. LOL!

<< Enjoy your thread. :goodbye: >>

See ya - - :hi:

[Bouncy Ball]

21. If you are talking about tampons and such

I bet she has no need for them anymore.

Just sayin'.

[arwalden]

22. AAAAH!!! -- YOU ARE BEING DEGRADING!! -- HOW DARE YOU!!

(How'd I do?)

[Ellen Forradalom]

7. I don't have enough information to even begin speculating.

She's obviously adjusted to it. They've remade their relationship around it. But forgiveness? I can't imagine one way or another.

[LaurenG]

8. Well I doubt she is ever going to be over it

Unless of course she never cared due to being interested in someone else herself. She will never forget but has gone on with her life WITH him anyway. I'd say it was both logical and she likes him. (BTW, I wouldn't dream of pissing on your question, you are way too smart for me and I wouldn't want to piss on you anyway).:hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

9. I think so.

I think she excepted his faults to a point. But when the whole Monica mess happened, that was the breaking point for her.

I DO think she was ready to divorce him, but I think they both realized what they would be losing if they split up. Not just her politcal future, but they've been married for decades and they not only love each other .... but they are each other's best friend and most trusted adviser.

[arwalden]

10. You're Right About Their Being Each Other's Trusted Friends And Advisors.

That would be difficult to give up and walk away from. They have more of a political corporation that works well when they work together. It's more than a marriage.

[redqueen]

11. Sure she has.

It's not like he's changed. I'm sure she's known him long enough to know who he is.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

24. Yup...

That's what I think too.

[Bouncy Ball]

13. See, I normally quite like gossipy celebrity speculation

(it's a side of me I abhor), but this one just makes me shrug. Don't know, don't care.

Ask me about the sham marriage of Jessica and Nick, though! Ask me about Tom Cruise and Katie what'shername! Ask me about Brad and Angelina!

[arwalden]

15. LOL!! I *NEVER* Repeat Gossip... So Listen Closely The First Time!!

[CanuckAmok]

61. "Oh we're not the types to go 'round spreadin' rumours,

Oh, no, we're jest not the gossipy kahnd,
You'll never hear one of us repeating gossip,
So you better be sure an' listen close the fers' tahm!"

[Texasgal]

18. So...

What *is* going on with Brad and Angelina??? :evilgrin:

[Bouncy Ball]

20. Ok here's the deal (remember this is speculation)

he does LOVE her madly. She LOVES him madly. It's the real deal.

BUT.....he is feeling a bit like he might have jumped a bit too soon into a rebound relationship (or was he seeing her BEFORE?). He is wishing they had taken their time a bit more.

On the other hand, he's over the MOON playing Daddy to her two adopted kids. He wants just scads of them with her.

But they are happy, and they are the real deal. He and Jennifer drifted apart a couple of years ago and they both knew it.

[arwalden]

23. Heyyy... You Could Write For Soap Operas!

:thumbsup:

[Bouncy Ball]

25. I've thought about it more than is healthy, probably.

Plus I have a bit of a girl crush on Angelina. Lucky Brad. Sheesh.

[arwalden]

39. Have You Ever Watched "Passions"?? Isn't That A HOOT??

The plots are so far-out that it almost seems as though the writers are purposely spoofing soap operas.

[Bouncy Ball]

41. I LOVE that.

And I think they are.

[Susang]

74. I love Passions

And am sad that I now work days and can no longer enjoy it. You see, I don't have Tivo! :cry:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. prudent/logical and possibly less humiliating

[TallahasseeGrannie]

26. I'd forgive him. Wouldn't you?

I think she loves him.

[Momgonepostal]

31. Honestly? I don't think so...

I could MAYBE forgive one indiscretion...maybe. A whole marriage full of them? Nuh-uh.

Don't get me wrong, I think Bill Clinton was a great president I'd take him back as my president in a heart beat. I don't think he's husband of the year material, though.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

32. I think I would have come to terms with it

IF we had a good relationship otherwise, because in his case I believe I would understand it.

Now, if my husband tries it I'll rip him a new one.

[Momgonepostal]

34. LOL!

[ContraBass Black]

46. A new what?

:evilgrin:

[ronnykmarshall]

49. I think so too.

I think that his thinking with his dick was something that La Hillary put up with for a long time.

But when he was so damn stupid to let the Clenis almost ruin his Presidency, Hillary had enough.

Hillary could have walked away and let him just blow in the wind. But she could not do that to her husband, her best friend, her daughter's father and the President to do that.

Hillary, I think really laid it down for him once and for all. "You keep that thing in your pants or lose it all".

Maybe Bill got therapy. Who knows. That's their business.

But I think about old film of Jackie and JFK. Lord knows that Jackie knew all the shit that JFK was up to. You look at film of Jackie and JFK at state dinners. They are talking and touching and loving each other. What is sad is that when Patrick died, JFK and Jackie shocked people with their public affection that they showed.

I think (and this is my take on this), when Clinton fucked up with La Monica, Hillary put her foot down. I still think that Hillary cared more about her marriage than running for senate. They worked things out and she set out and ran for office.

The moment that I feel really cemented their reconciliation was when President Clinton almost died with his illness.

These two people love each other.

Most people would have thrown in the towel and called it a day.

I think that it's this show what REAL faith is about. Not this bullshit like the Bush's claim that they are "Born again". The Clinton's have a deep trust in their faith .... mostly Hillary. They are not people that have their faith as a token.

Regardless what people in DU might think about Bill and Hillary politically, I think they are people that really love each other and have got thru the fire.

I admire them.

[CottonBear]

57. ronnykmarshall, I totally agree with you. They love each other.

They have a love that is both physical and of the mind.

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

27. Both.

[jonnyblitz]

28. yep, both. nt

[Neil Lisst]

29. NO!!! He hurt her chances and he broke their deal.

She tolerates him, and I'm sure she still loves him on some level.

plame game end game today

[Withywindle]

33. I don't know but...

...divorce isn't the only natural outcome of infidelity. Lots of couples work through it in various ways without splitting up. It's not unusual, really. It happens when both parties feel the positive aspects of the relationship outweigh the negative. And that's nobody's decision to make but theirs, and nobody else's opinion matters.

[arwalden]

37. Their Decision, Yes. Theirs Alone To Make, Yes... But Private?

Not hardly. Explain to me how they could keep such a thing private.

[Withywindle]

48. Oh no, they couldn't at all...

...but they still don't owe anybody an explanation for what they choose to do.

[arwalden]

53. No Explanations Necessary...

... I can figure that part out on my own.

[SOteric]

35. I believe

their private life is no more my business than is yours.

[arwalden]

36. But I Want To Know. So I'll MAKE It My Business...

so THERE! :eyes:

[DS1]

67. Watch it, Buster

:spank:

[MrSlayer]

38. Quite frankly I think theirs is a marriage of convenience.

And that she couldn't care less that he fucked around. She knows the guy none better and if she had really cared she would have been taking care of him so Monica didn't have to. The only thing I think pissed her off is that he got caught and made them all look bad.

[RayOfHope]

47. I'm thinking the same thing as you n/t

[LaurenG]

63. Here is the problem with that thought (IMHO)

Some men cannot "be taken care of" by just one woman (person). They get horny and if the (an) object of their affection is close by, they grab a tool and get busy. They feel guilty about it later. Don't for 1 second try to lay his mistake on her. This was probably very humiliating for her. She's tough but jeez betrayal is painful no matter what.


edit: clarification

[grace0418]

40. Not that it matters a whit but I always suspected they had

an arrangement of some sort. What that arrangement is I can't say. I figured that it's been long-standing and it worked fine until Bill got caught by someone other than Hillary.

But it's none of my business at all what they do.

[Beaverhausen]

43. You know they went through many hours of couples therapy, right?

I think they have said they had therapy daily for a year after the Monica episode.

I do not think she would stay with him just for the sake of her career. I think they are a really good match for each other.

There is more to marriage than sex. Lots of couples have to deal with infidelity and get through it.

[arwalden]

44. Ain't That The Truth!

<< There is more to marriage than sex. Lots of couples have to deal with infidelity and get through it. >>

:thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

50. You GO!!!

[Floogeldy]

45. Adultery?

Seems to me, Bill and Monica were just foolin' around, a little bit.

;)

[donheld]

58. I don't quite give a damn

:smoke: :boring:

[Floogeldy]

60. Muchas, muchas gracias.

Not our business. :thumbsup:

[madrchsod]

59. she`s accepted it and moved on....but more

importantly his daughter accepted it also. from every picture i have ever seen of those two together there`s a father daughter bond that alot of dads wish they had with their daughters but for some reason can`t.compare the pictures of bush with his daughters and bill and you`ll see what i mean. she`s a daddy`s girl. i`m fortunate to have a daughter who feels the same about me and i`m sure there was alot "you`re just like your dad"!in the clinton household.....

[elshiva]

62. "Santa Claus is a black man"

[bridgit]

66. more of a 'story of us', for the sake of Chelsea & our careers...

kind of a thing, you know, the shit power couples have to put up with :shrug:

[terrya]

68. This is a great topic, Allen.

:thumbsup:

[RandomKoolzip]

69. Bill O'Reilly and Hillary Duff are MARRIED?!

Jesus...I gotta start reading the tabloids again! Who knew?

[afdip]

70. loofah love

[Bat Boy]

75. How dare you express interest in the private lives of public figures!

Haven't they suffered enough? Much you pile indignity upon indignity by "wondering" things?

You have spent far too long hovering in the bushes outside of their home trying to find answers to quell your rampant curiousity. The recordings of their personal conversations, the film footage, the DNA samples you've gathered...good God, man. Have you no decency? Must you crawl into the very interior of their psyche in your quest to "find shit out?"

You've injected them both with sodium pentathol, interrogated them under bare lightbulbs in dark places with dripping noises in the background...honestly, I don't know how Bill and Hillary have withstood your continued assaults. They must be made of stronger stuff than I. I would have cracked years ago if people had "wondered" this violently about me.

Leave them alone! You've tortured them enough. Let them out of the cellar, let them feel the sun on their faces once again and allow them to pick up the shattered pieces of their lives, you heartless bastard.

But could I get a copy of that picture of Bill's colonoscapy? I need it to complete my mural...

[Midlodemocrat]

76. Funny you should mention this, because I was just

thinking about this yesterday. Musing to myself about infidelity and the depth of forgiveness, more so because I have a friend going through it, but I was thinking of examples of people who appear as though they have successfully maneuvered themselves around this and the Clintons came to mind.

I don't know if they are happy or not, but it appears as though they are, so that gives me hope that my friends can get through this.

I don't know if I would be so charitable. I would like to think I would, but I simply don't know.

[davidinalameda]

77. locking

thread is getting too long to deal with

and it's turning a bit flame-warry as well