Halftime!! Bengals 17 - Steelers 14

[sasquatch]

I'm glad we have the lead, but we've got to be on the look out for Kimo "Dollar General" Von Olehoffen won't low blow Kitna too.

[tishaLA]

1. I really feel bad for Palmer

But I'm glad he signed a long term deal. That sucks.

[sasquatch]

2. It sucks elephant balls if you ask me

I saw that hit and you can't tell me he wasn't trying to hurt Palmer.

[Bill McBlueState]

19. that's a really serious charge

What evidence do you have for that?

[sasquatch]

45. He's a veteran player who miraculusly is "blocked" into Palmer's knee

It's the same "miracle" that OJ Simpson experienced with his ex-wife and her boyfriend.

[JVS]

51. The author of this article doesn't see it as so miraculous

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2284955

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

56. I'm not commenting either way on the hit, but Clayton is dipshit

That little fucking douchebag doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

[JVS]

83. Any reason for your statement?

[sasquatch]

57. He didn't say shit

He's using the blocked into talking point because he doesn't want to go all in on this too early. And don't worry, Karma will catch up to you too Steelers.

[timber84]

60. Maybe Karma caught up with the Bengals

ever think of that?

[sasquatch]

67. What the fuck are you talking about?

:shrug:

[timber84]

69. This:

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=4903

Thurman said his interceptions have come from “preparation meeting opportunity. I’ve been lucky with those.” He knows his rep as a run player, but he disagrees with Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger that Thurman’s hit on his knees Sunday was a cheap shot. Thurman got flagged 15 yards for hitting him as he threw the ball. Lewis and Thurman insist an offensive lineman tripped him into Roethlisberger.

“That’s his opinion. If he thinks it’s a cheap shot, I’m not going to throw anything back at him,” Thurman said. “I get enough chances to hit people in the mouth that I don’t have to take a cheap shot.”

[sasquatch]

73. Ooo, I forgot about that

Well played good sir.
:thumbsup:
KVO is still a hatchetman though.

[timber84]

77. Truce?

[sasquatch]

78. For now, but watch your ass next year

Marvin Lewis isn't the "forgive and forget" type.

[timber84]

79. We'll see

[timber84]

62. How far fetched is that?

Really grasping for straws now.

[dajoki]

40. it was an accident...

he was blocked into him.

[sasquatch]

46. Yeah sure

:eyes:

[Reverend_Smitty]

14. Fortunately ACL tears aren't as career threatening as they once were...

Surgery techniques do wonders these days but it will be a long recovery to say the least

[sasquatch]

17. They said he'll be back for spring camp

[johnnie]

3. Go Bungles

LOL. Sorry, had to say it.

Seriously, I want to see them stomp the Steelers.

[pro_blue_guy]

4. Who cares?

Both teams suck! But who am I to talk; I'm a Browns fan!

[purr]

5. I agree.. but I hate football as well..

I hope the Steelers lose (yes I live in Pittsburgh) so my hubby will get off the couch when they're on and do something productive!!! UGGH!!

[spinbaby]

6. Ha!

And the Steelers pass and SCORE!

Take that!

[chookie]

7. Haas baat them Stillers?

STEELERS LEADING BY 14 whoo whoo!

[Eurobabe]

8. Stupid Bengals getting spanked now

Imagine my surprise at work when I heard they were up early 10 - 0!

They're getting killed now. :mad:

[purr]

9. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[chookie]

10. Victory for the Steelers!

yippee!

[BuelahWitch]

11. Woo hoo!

I'm another Steelers fan from way back! :hi:

[Beware the Beast Man]

12. I promised I wouldn't gloat over a Steeler victory,

so i won't.

Nope, not me...

uh-uh...

[sasquatch]

16. Helluva game plan you guys had

Hurt the Pro Bowl quarterback on the first pass play of the game on a cheap shot to his knee on a late hit, man that's fucking genius I tell you what.
:sarcasm::eyes:

[JVS]

18. And we did it without drawing a flag! It was even better when...

that one guy had to leave the game after collapsing with nobody around.

[Beware the Beast Man]

20. ...

:tinfoilhat:

[timber84]

22. Who Dey?

Anyone know who dey be?

[timber84]

25. Yeah your so right!

From espn:

Several Bengals yelled at von Oelhoffen, who spent his first six seasons in Cincinnati and still counts some of the Bengals as friends.

"Guys were infuriated," right tackle Willie Anderson said. "But I know him. He's not a dirty player. His momentum just kept him going into Carson. It wasn't a dirty play."

The nose tackle explained himself on the field.

"They had every right to be upset. They lost their best player," he said. "I hope Carson gets better. My apologies to him and his family.

"I was worried about Carson. That kid deserved to play this game."

[Delarage]

33. Really?

I'm sure Palmer would've done a better job snapping the ball for that FG. And he wouldn't have been fooled by the "flea-flicker" play--he would've stayed with Wilson and, at the very least, knocked the ball down. And instead of diving out of the way of The Bus, he would've planted him. Not to mention the Willie Parker run--Palmer would've taken a better angle and pushed him out of bounds before he scored, holding them to a field goal try (which he would've then blocked and returned for a TD).

[Bill McBlueState]

65. this is a good point

The sports world likes to fit dramatic events into simple narratives. For this game, everyone wants to say, "If only Palmer hadn't been injured, the Bengals would have won." But this ignores a lot of what happened:

*Palmer couldn't have stopped the Steelers offense, as you say.
*Kitna actually performed pretty well in the first half. Sure, he folded in the second half, but Palmer, who has considerably less football experience than Kitna, might well have done the same.

It's not fair to the other few dozen players in the game to make this all about Carson Palmer.

[Callalily]

13. Congrats Steelers

and Steelers fans.
Wishing you good luck with the Colts.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

15. YESSSSSSS! Celebrating here in Pittsburgh.

:party: :toast: :bounce:

[obxhead]

21. Ahem (cough) 'clears throat'....

Here we go Steelers, Here we go!!! (repeated 3 times) :)

[dajoki]

41. Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go!!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[Allenberg]

23. You can thank your left guard

Clearly, when he blocked KVO, Kimo was headed to the ground and did the same thing any of us would do, and put his arms out to break his fall. If you seen KVO's face after the play on replay, you can tell he was concerned.

[sasquatch]

43. Boy you saw his face, you must be superman

[Allenberg]

89. Uhh...CBS showed the replay

:shrug:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

24. Speak too early??

It must suck to be a Bengals' fan tonite, man. TOTAL shutdown the second half. TOTAL.

[Tafiti]

26. You're right, Allenberg.

Von Oelhoffen was clearly upset when he saw Palmer was hurt. It wasn't intentional. But all I gotta say is, the game would've been different if Palmer played the whole game. Yeah, our defense still gave up the points, but we could've outscored them. Plus, the psychological blow of your Pro Bowl starting QB going down in the first offensive series of the game was probably too much for an inexperienced playoff team. The Bengals will be back.

Oh, and living in Indiana, I've grown to like the Colts a little bit. So I'll be looking forward to them kicking the shit out of the Steelers next week. It'll be sweet. :)

[Beware the Beast Man]

27. The Colts are my #2 team.

It's going to be an interesting contest.

[timber84]

28. No number 2 teams here

it's all or nothing. Ckeck out the bengals website, they are even calling the hit on Palmer "questionable". did I watch a different game?

[anti_shrub]

29. They're questioning Kimo on that play?

I thought it was obvious he was being blocked and he rolled into Palmer's leg. Sucked for Bengals fans but I've seen it happen a million times before in football, although not always with the results that happened to Carson.

I'd hate for it to turn into some inane "he did it on purpose" debate between Bengals and Steelers fans when even the CBS announcers (who sounded like they were going to burst into tears) said it was just a freak accident.

[timber84]

30. I feel bad for Palmer having said that there was nothing dirty about it.

The look on Kimo's face told it all. Too make it into anything else is a shame.

[sasquatch]

48. How the fuck did you see Kimo's face?

That's a horseshit statement if I ever heard one.

[timber84]

53. Watch the replay of him coming to the bench after it happened

that was an upset football player.Get over they lost.Do your team a favor and quit acting like such a sore loser.

[sasquatch]

59. No he wasn't

He was winded after coming off the field after a red zone stand.

[Beware the Beast Man]

32. Yeah, that's bull.

I even thought that the late hit on Randle El wasn't worthy of penalty, even if it did work in the Steelers' favor.

[chookie]

34. It was a tragic accident

I was rooting for the Steelers, but I was devastated when Palmer was injured. From my viewing of the replays of the KVO hit, I have to concur with the opinion that it was simply a regretable accident. How I wish it did not happen, and it seemed KVO felt the same way. It was sad to see this talented young man get injured in such a fateful game; that being said, it was not an intentional hit.

The Bengals played very well in the first half, and they should be proud of their second QB as well as the rest of the team. But the Steelers won the second half -- they played better.

Congraulations to Cinncinati for a great year, and wishing them all the best for the recovery of their star quarterback so we'll have another matchup next year with a healthy Palmer.

[timber84]

35. very well said n/t

[Delarage]

31. Steelers may lose to the Colts......

But at least they'll be there. Do you think the Bengals were the best team in the division? I think the only reason they won it was because of Ben's injury and Tommy Maddox's suckness. They have no run defense. When they get one, they'll be O.K.

In the meantime, Chad Johnson can melt his gold teeth into a Super Bowl trophy and place it in his fantasy world (the same one where the Bengals would be on top for a while).

I don't really hate the Bengals (and I liked Chad's Riverdance) but they were talking a lot of shit and then they ate it.

[Beware the Beast Man]

36. To give credit where it's due-

the Bengals are the new threat. I think they'll only come on stronger in the next few seasons.

[anti_shrub]

37. Or they could end up like the Ravens

Who won a Super Bowl and fell off the face of the earth afterwards...

[PittPoliSci]

42. i honestly think the bengals are going to be a key rival for the steelers.

[chookie]

38. Good point

If Ben had not been injured, and that sorry excuse for a QB Maddox not replaced him, the Steelers would have had a better season.

The Bengals are a great team, which suffered the worst luck in the world tonight -- I'm a Steeler fan but I appreciate their accomplishments, but the record of the Steelers this year was diminished by the temporary loss of our own star QB Ben.

The Colts are FANTASTIC! If the Steelers do not play well against them, they will lose miserably.

Oy yeh -- who then has to go against the Patriots? Now they are simply amazing -- they are not flashy but are smart as heck. They will give the red ass to who ever faces them in the Super Bowl. My thinking, it's going to be the Colts vs Patriots in the Super Bowl -- and that is going to be one hell of a game.

[anti_shrub]

39. Colts and Pats are both in the AFC

they couldn't meet in the Super Bowl.

[Bill McBlueState]

66. well

The poster *could* be taking a not-so-subtle jab at the NFC. Makes sense to me. I mean, what's gonna happen if any of the four remaining AFC teams take on Seattle or Chicago? It'll be an anticlimactic follow-up to the AFC championship.

[Tafiti]

86. Sorry, but...

...am I not allowed to dislike division rivals? I admit, I used to despise the Ravens much more than the Steelers, but seeing as how the Ravens blow as of late, the hatred faded a bit and just transferred over to the Steelers because they're good. Should I apologize for wanting the Colts to tear them to shreds? It'll at least give me some sort of satisfaction. And nowhere in my post did I say that the Steelers were a bad team, or that the Bengals were better. I just said the game would've been different. I feel like that's a reasonable statement.

That being said, I don't disagree with you. Our defense is pure shit, and relied totally on turnovers all year. Actually, I do disagree with this: "When they get one, they'll be O.K." I think we'll be more than "O.K.", don't you? ;)

[JVS]

88. To root against the Steelers is inherently evil

[Delarage]

90. That's fine.

I'd wish the same thing upon the Bengals had they won. I just didn't like all the "changing of the guard" stuff after the Bengals' earlier win (esp. Chad Johnson). I do believe the Bengals will be more than O.K. with an improved run defense and the Steelers and Ravens will have their hands full with them (the Browns don't count yet). They have a lot of talent and a good coach (due to his time with the Steelers, of course). I'm not a huge Cowher fan b/c he can never get the Steelers over the top. If he devises a plan to defeat the Colts, I'll change my mind.

[sasquatch]

44. Tell Peyton to watch his knees

[anti_shrub]

47. It's unfortunate some Bengals fans are such poor losers.

It's as if a QB in the NFL had never been injured by having a defensive player blocked into his legs before, it had to be a nefarious plot by a guy who played for years on that very same team.

The Bengals had a great season, it's a shame some of their fans have to try to ruin it with horrible accusations.

[sasquatch]

49. When a veteren dives head first into a qb's knees after the ball is away

It's a cheap shot in my opinion.

[anti_shrub]

50. Did you not see

The lineman in the god-awful Bengals uniform blocking Kimo into the QB? He didn't dive head first, he was tossed aside and his momentum took him into Palmer's path.

Would someone express the concern he did after the play if it was a cheap shot? Hell, haven't you ever seen someone (QBs and O-linemen both) get their knees rolled up on because someone was blocked into them? It sucks, but it happens in football.

Besides, even if you insist it was a cheap shot, the Bengals were still winning until they snapped that potential field goal over the holder's head. That turned the game around more than losing Palmer.

[sasquatch]

55. I've played footbal and watched football about all my life

I've blocked people into others and been blocked into others and everytime when it happens the player being blocked either collides into the other player with his side or back. I find it so coincidental that the player who's proven he could single handedly beat teams (including the Steelers) with his passing is hurt on the first pass play of the game and he was hurt by a player "Blocked" into him who was "coincidentally" diving head first into Carson's bad knee that held him out for the later part of last year. BTW KVO has over a decade of experience in pro football and knows every hatchet man trick in the league.

[Tafiti]

87. While I think it was an accident...

...I apparently have a different take on the play in question. I thought it was pretty clear that Von Oelhoffen purposely lunged toward Palmer, but only to take him down before throwing the ball. Steinbach's block brought VO's force downward, but I think VO still purposely lunged. Certainly not to hurt Palmer, but simply to make a play on the quarterback. He clearly felt bad after he saw Palmer was hurt.

[timber84]

52. Dives head first?

You either need glasses or a new tv that was no dive

[kick-ass-bob]

54. Just give up. He is so blinded now, it is ridiculous.

I wanted to be mad at the guy who hit him like that, but after seeing the replay, anyone with ANY objectivity at all in them can see that he 1. Did not mean to do that
and 2. Was quite upset that it happened.

He threw his arms up in disgust and he stuck around near Palmer after it happened. Those are not actions of someone who did it on purpose.

Sasquatch, it sucks that this had to happen, but there was NO WAY it was intentional.

[sasquatch]

58. How did you know he threw his arms up in disgust?

It seemed to me that it was a sign of approval like I would make after a rolled a strike.

[kick-ass-bob]

61. Good lord man. Get over it already.

You can be blinded if you want, but that is all that this is.

[timber84]

64. Amen Bob

Good job by your Panthers by the way everyone here in Charlotte pretty stoked

[alcibiades_mystery]

63. You are completely delusional right now

I have no dog in this fight, and you are just objectively wrong. Get some distance and perspective. You're making a fool of yourself.

[sasquatch]

68. Bullshit

You obviously didn't see the game.

[alcibiades_mystery]

70. Oh, I saw it

You're being very foolish. Grow up.

[timber84]

71. Sasquatch is a lost cause alcibiades there is no reasoning

with him, it will be awhile before he is over it.

[kick-ass-bob]

72. but now he starts it up in GD.

:eyes:

PS: this is what I posted in the football forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=345&topic_id=791&mesg_id=811

[sasquatch]

74. I make a good point though

We do need a guy like KVO in our party.

[kick-ass-bob]

75. A guy who is genuinely upset when something bad happens?

Yeah, I agree.

[sasquatch]

76. Come'on and just admit it will you

You'll feel much better.

[kick-ass-bob]

80. Dude, I was rooting for Cincy and went sick when it happened.

I have done the same thing to my knee, and felt the same pop that he described. I couldn't put any weight on it at all. Those always make me cringe, because I can "feel it" in my knee when I see it.

Believe me, I wanted to be pissed at him, but his body language and his actions immediately after the play showed me that it was not on purpose. So the sooner you can let go of this, the better off you will be. If you don't though, that's your prerogative, and I don't expect to change your mind - especially right now. But please note, you are not projecting a very "objective" persona, and some may remember that you were not in this case (as wrong as that is) and you may be lessening your credibility here (if you care at all - it's not exactly the most important thing, after all.)

So take this for what it's worth.

:hi:

[JVS]

81. There's nothing to admit. Shit happens.

[timber84]

82. i like you JVS

woo fuckin hoo too

[JVS]

84. Go Stillers!

:toast:

[livetohike]

85. Go Steelers!

:hi: and :toast: back at you!