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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:19 PM
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Any other "lost jews" out there?
I was raised Protestant, and my mother Catholic...however on her side the ethnicity is Jewish. From family records, we can tell that her family converted in the late 1800's in Poland. Efforts were made to hide the Jewish ancestry, but they weren't the strongest of efforts as the surnames weren't changed any (Levner, Jekiel, etc...) and even the language traditions were kept (my grandmother and grandfather both spoke fluent Yiddish "for business reasons.")

I never knew of my Jewish ancestry until recently, and have been doing as much as I can to learn about this culture that is at the same time foreign and familiar (kind of hard to explain.) My mom is still somewhat in denial about it, but has become more and more accepting of it.

Am I the only one out there?
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:41 PM
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1. They're always in the last place you look.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:42 PM
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2. Lost Jews? They should consider using a map!
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:46 PM
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4. Please, no - we have enough tsorres with the ones we've got.
Oy vey itz mir. :eyes:
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:46 PM
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5. well
we did wander in the desert for 40 years
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:48 PM
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6. Moses should have asked for directions!
Either that or the Lord should have sent down some burning freeway signs.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:50 PM
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7. You'd think "the land of milk and honey" would have been easy to find
Look for the spot on the coast...the one with no oil...yeah right there!
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:55 PM
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9. hahaha
god you're funny!
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:44 PM
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3. i'm not really 'lost'
but i was not raised in a particularly jewish household...although i make a mean matzoh ball soup

i know a bit of what you are going through, trying to learn about your heritage

let me know if i can help you in any way
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:51 PM
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8. Those were the dead giveaways in my family
Mom would make Potato Latkes with our Gwumpki...and most other Poles I'd talk to would start to wonder.

Also the lack of blonde hair and blue eyes was kind of a dead giveaway too...

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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:24 PM
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10. Seraphic descendant here.
:hi:
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:56 PM
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11. Unless
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 03:57 PM by SOteric
you're claiming to be descended of Angels, you probably mean 'Sephardic.'
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:59 PM
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12. Bwahahahahahaha!
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:04 PM
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13. I won't deny anything,
but yes, in honor of my typos ... Thanks! :thumbsup:

:rofl:
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:40 PM
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14. We have many descendants of Sephardic Jews
here in New Mexico. Many are outwardly Catholic but secretly practice Judaism. They are descended from Jews who fled to New Mexico to flee the Spanish Inquisition.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:03 PM
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15. Partially. Jewish father so it doesn't really count
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 05:04 PM by DrDebug
But he never mentioned it during his life time. The funny thing is that it was pretty clear especially with the surname(s), but the family changed to Christianity in the 18th century after leaving Poland for Germany and it turned out to be pretty common to "change" religion after settling in a new place especially if the family was never that religious to being with.

The funny thing is that Yiddish kept being spoken as well and marriages were with other Jewish or former Jewish families. It is pretty normal, so you are not alone and a large percentage of Jews is "lost".
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:11 PM
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16. Not here, but I find your story interesting...
If I were you, I'd be interested in digging more into the past.

I'm pretty sure my ancestors were Lutheran since about 15 minutes after Luther posted his 95 theses.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:30 PM
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17. Kind of
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 05:34 PM by 5thGenDemocrat
My great-grandfather's family (Elias) converted to Catholicism somewhere around 1870, when Bismarck's 'Kulturkampf' was in bloom (he lived in Nicolai, Upper Silesia -- now Mikolow, Poland). His daughter, my grandma, refused to admit we were of Jewish ancestry until she was well into her 80s (but she wasn't fooling anybody). Still, since it was my mother's mother's father who converted, I don't think I'd qualify as Jewish, anyhow.
John
Still, I'm pretty good at getting stuff for wholesale.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:43 PM
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20. It depends if your great-grandmother was Jewish then you are Jewish
That's why I am technically not Jewish even though the paternal side is 100% Jewish. The only thing which matters is the maternal line. By the looks of things it appears that you are Jewish regardless of your personal view. It seems to be related to the X chromosome since that is always passed in the maternal line and sometimes passed in the paternal line (50% odds).
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:53 PM
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21. Nope. Great-grandma's maiden name was 'von Gemula'
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 05:54 PM by 5thGenDemocrat
She was Catholic by birth and also from near Nicolai, but the two didn't meet each other until they, independently, had emigrated to Jackson, Michigan, circa 1885. They had something like fourteen kids together, several of whom died young.
John
G'grandpa was a jeweler and watchmaker by trade. He also served on the Bay City (MI) city council for many years, a staunch Democrat.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:30 PM
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18. Same here...
My sister just got her DNA thingy done to see if she has the breast cancer gene, thankfully, she doesn't but what she did find out was that our family has (pardon the spelling)Askanasi Jew in it. Who knew?

Kinda explains why my family uses Yiddish expressions along with our Italian expressions to express our emotions.

Mozzeltov (pardon the spelling once again)
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:41 PM
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19. Alot of people just
like you and don't even know it. there's some jewish ancestry way back in my family, I've heard family members say that they are jews in conversation before but never investgated it. My stepfather's jewish, his mother married a non-jew and I know her family disowned her because of that. For anyone who would know did that happen often back in late 1940's?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:00 PM
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22. True...many Latinos have Jewish ancestry
Many came here to escape the inquisition, which was winding down around 1492...
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