Is this "rather pudgy"?

[Daisy Adair]

Someone made that statement and I am baffled by it. I am not talking about taste in clothing or talent or anything. Purely on appearance, is this what we've become that, as a society THIS is considered "rather pudgy"?

What are your thoughts?

[RebelOne]

1. Plenty of women would like to have that "pudgy" figure.

[Daisy Adair]

3. Myself included.

[Ladyhawk]

31. LOL...if she's pudgy, what am I? OBESE. n/t

[hobo_baggins]

44. yes

[LeftyMom]

2. No, but it looks that way because the dress is cut too small.

Ladies, please wear clothes that fit. Dresses that are tighter than sausage casings flatter no one.

[Daisy Adair]

9. Agreed. The dress is not so flattering. But, I would hardly classify

that as "rather pudgy". She's healthy; not anorexic. And we wonder what drives young women to eating disorders.

[MissMillie]

75. A concur

the dress is too small, especially in the chest. She's hanging out of the sides of it. It looks like it's too small, and therefore makes her look "big".

She's not big. She's perfectly healthy-looking.

[Left Is Write]

77. I agree with that.

The pulling across her front is unattractive. Clothing that fits is always better!

[LeftyMom]

80. My sister wears her clothes like that

She has an awesome athletic body but she thinks tight-fitting clothes sexy and they make her look fat. It's a shame.

[CatWoman]

94. Mariah Carey is NOTORIOUS

for wearing clothes that are too small.

[grace0418]

4. Yeah, I thought that was weird too. I mean, I could tell that she

had gained some weight. But is going from "celebrity anorexic" to "normal female curves" really considered rather pudgy nowdays? Oy vey.

[Daisy Adair]

12. Exactly my point.

And, it's not that someone CALLED her "rather pudgy", but that we MUST EXPECT celebrities to be "celebrity anorexic" or we call them "rather pudgy".

Color me confused.

[LaraMN]

5. Plbbt! I'm not a Mariah Carey fan, but I'd say she looks very healthy

and beautifully feminine. If that's "pudgy," than I wouldn't mind a bit more "pudge" in the world! I agree the dress doesn't fit her well, though.

[Daisy Adair]

13. Nor am I. But, I AM a woman. And if society's standards call HER pudgy...

we're doomed to a society of eating disorders and self-inflicted over-criticism.

[LaraMN]

18. "Society" needs to get laid.

It's way too wound up about stupid crap like that.;-)

[SharonRB]

6. I think pudgy is too strong a word

It's the dress, not the figure that looks awful.

[Daisy Adair]

15. The dress is not my cup of java, either... but if she's "rather pudgy",

I am a mountain of lard.

[SharonRB]

20. Same here.

I should be so pudgy.

[azmouse]

7. She looks just fine.

Too many women today look like lollipops... big head on a little sticklike body. Yuck!
I like my curves!

[ContraBass Black]

8. That's as thin as would interest me.

How does she walk in that dress?

[Daisy Adair]

16. I'd bet there's a big slit and that the material has some "give".

[xmas74]

10. I think her figure is just fine.

I wish she had worn something w/ a gentler cut instead. Most women, especially those w/ curves, do not look good in something that is worn as a second skin. Something that flows a bit more would have been much better and would have really flattered what she has.

[ContraBass Black]

11. Well,

"women, especially those w/ curves, do not look good in something that is worn as a second skin. "

I disagree with that. A second skin is often great. The issue here is that it's too narrow to be a second skin.

[xmas74]

14. I don't know.

I have curves and a "second skin" look does not look very good on me. It tends to make me look shorter and heavier than I really am. It doesn't look good on most women because it shows every flaw.
I'm not calling for bulky, layered clothes by any means. In her case she needed a dress that fit better, was made for her figure and maybe some different support garments. A good support garment can make all the difference in the way a dress looks.

[Brewman_Jax]

17. Since you asked...

I'd say no.

[Daisy Adair]

19. Thanks for your input.

It makes us "normal" women feel better about ourselves.

[lpbk2713]

21. No...... This is rather pudgy.

[Daisy Adair]

24. He's BEYOND pudgy and well into big fat-assed scum-sucking pig.

[Fox Mulder]

22. She has the best body type ever.

[Call Me Wesley]

23. I don't really like Mariah Carey,

but she looks just fine. :thumbsup:

[SeattleGirl]

25. She's not pudgy; she has a gorgeous figure

I agree the dress is not the best one to show the figure off, but I would not call her pudgy. She's curvy. I'm curvy; I'm not pudgy. I do get tired of societal pressure to be Anorexia Annie.

[Daisy Adair]

26. I agree.

And to see that societal pressure to be Anorexia Annie perpetuated really chaps my ass!!

[skygazer]

27. I saw that too

Made me scratch my head and say :wtf:

I think Mariah Carey is an ass but she's got a great body - she just needs lessons in how to dress.

[Daisy Adair]

34. Yes.

Like I said downthread, I am an adamant feminist and I get very upset when women are judged to critically on their appearances and held to such ridiculous and unrealistic societal standards.

When I saw the "pudgy" comment here on DU made by a woman, noless, I swear that I threw up in my mouth a little.

[Dangerously Amused]

82. Welcome to DU.

You and me are going to get along just fine!

:pals:

[Daisy Adair]

87. Thanks!

Because woman's work is never done
and is underpaid or unpaid or boring or
repetitious and we're the first to get fired
and what we look like is more important
than what we do and if we get raped it's
our fault and if we get beaten we must have
provoked it and if we raise our voices we're
nagging bitches and if we enjoy sex we're
nymphos and if we don't we're frigid and if
we love women it's because we can't get a
"real" man and if we ask our doctor too many
questions we're neurotic and/or pushy and
if we expect childcare we're selfish and if we
stand up for our rights we're aggressive and
"unfeminine" and if we don't we're typical
weak females and if we want to get married
we're out to trap a man and if we don't we're
unnatural and because we still can't get an
adequate safe contraceptive but men can walk
on the moon and if we can't cope or don't
want a pregnancy we're made to feel
guilty about abortion and...for lots and lots
of other reasons we are part of the
women's liberation movement.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/english/piepmeier/feminism.htm

[malta blue]

28. She looks just fine to me

I did notice that she had put on some weight, but in no way would I consider her "pudgy".

[Crankie Avalon]

29. For a certain type of personally trained, aerobicized, and/or...

...surgically altered class of being known as a "celebrity," maybe. For anyone else, no.

[ET Awful]

30. I see nothing to complain about

:P

Just looks healthy to me :evilgrin:

[necso]

32. I think that she looks great.

And, given the circumstances, I see nothing wrong with her dress. So it shows that she's not some skeleton -- good for her.

She looks happy and healthy, and I hope that she is both.

[Daisy Adair]

33. Yes, if she's confident in it, more power to her.

I am an adamant feminist and I get very upset when women are judged to critically on their appearances and held to such ridiculous and unrealistic societal standards.

When I saw the "pudgy" comment here on DU made by a woman, noless, I swear that I threw up in my mouth a little.

[necso]

53. I hope

that you're doing ok health-wise -- even a little regurgitation sounds troubling.

Holding people to unrealistic standards of appearance is a monstrosity, IMO.

But so is our society's wide-spread fixation on superficial things, not things of real worth, like a person's good character or their abilities. This can lead nowhere good, I think.

However, the offensive remark may have been the result of some personal dislike, written without consideration of the broader implications.

It would, however, perhaps have been better left unsaid.

[Daisy Adair]

55. Well.

It was a joke (the throwing up in my mouth thing).

I don't think the remark was meant in ANY way to be offensive. What struck a chord with me was that we automatically label a curvy, healthy woman as "rather pudgy".

[necso]

59. I'm glad to hear it.

Like granny used to say, "A bad digestion is a terrible thing." (And it is.)

I thought that your statement might be a literary device, but good wishes can't hurt.

[Daisy Adair]

60. No, and thank you for that!

Very kind, indeed. :)

[William Bloode]

35. Thats just nice and healthy to me.

In fact quite my style. I like'em on the larger healthy side myself. For an average woman height of say 5'5, or 5'6 135-170, maybe 80 is the sweet spot for me. I even prefer 200lb to a 90-105lb stick.

[nickinSTL]

36. I think her build (the dress notwithstanding) looks great

If that's pudgy, then I guess I like pudgy :shrug:

I much prefer that to the anorexic look.

[StellaBlue]

37. I think people mean that she was pudgy in comparison to her previous look

or in comparison to, say, Nichole Richie.

I think she looks fine except that she dresses like a desperate and delusional hoochie mama. It's sad, because she can actually sing. I can't stand to even watch her anymore, though. Creepy.

[WeRQ4U]

38. Hollywood is detached from reality.

It may very well be "rather pudgy" for them. But for normal Joe America, it's actually rather hot.

[Daisy Adair]

39. Yes, but

It was a comment made here on DU. By a woman.

[WeRQ4U]

43. I didn't know that.

Really, though, it doesn't make much difference WHO made the statement. In Hollywood standards, she may be "rather pudgy." But those same criteria don't apply to normal people like you or I.

[Beware the Beast Man]

40. No, that's just about perfect.

Too bad I detest Mariah Carey.

[Daisy Adair]

41. Thanks for your input. I think she looks healthy and happy.

I guess unless you look like this you're "rather pudgy"?? :shrug:

[ContraBass Black]

86. Skin and bones all by themselves

Do not a woman make.

[LynneSin]

98. Yikes, I've seen Holocaust pictures where they had more meat on them

and that's pretty sad but unfortunately true!

[distantearlywarning]

42. I think she looks hot.

And healthy too. Her arms and chest look like she's actually been working out a little, which is a nice compliment to the girl curves.

I bet my husband would love that picture, and wouldn't think she was "pudgy" at all. In my experience, the people that think curvy girls are fat are always other women who are a little insecure about themselves. Most of the guys I've known in my life would think they were in heaven to date a girl with a bod like Mariah Carey has in this picture (although she is a psycho and dresses like a hoochie mama, but that's another story).

And BTW, in my early twenties I had this kind of figure (5'5", about 135-140, all curves), and I literally had to beat the men away from my doorstep. I could have had a date any night of the week if I wanted at that time in my life. That was definitely not the case when I weighed 110 lbs as a teenager - even though I was a size 0-2 and had a body like most Hollywood starlets (lollipop head on a little stick body). I wish the movie/TV industry would get a fucking clue and realize that anorexia is not actually attractive, and quit trying so hard to make all of us believe that it is.

[RetroLounge]

45. I like curves...

and she's got 'em...

if I want skin and bones, I'll go back to hanging out with heroin addicts...

RL

[Daisy Adair]

49. Thank you for your input.

I'm glad to see I am not the only one to disagree with that comment!

[seemunkee]

46. Hmmmm, I guess I like pudgy

As long as she doesn't sing.

[BikeWriter]

WOO HOO!

[Daisy Adair]

51. I assume that's a "no".

;)

[BikeWriter]

74. You may assume that, yes'm. ;-)

[Rabrrrrrr]

47. pudgy, maybe; but certainly not "rather pudgy"

Not at all.

And I'm not even sure I'd say she was pudgy. Close, but not close enough for a cigar.

[Daisy Adair]

81. She's well-rounded. I remain steadfast that pudgy is a stretch.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pudgy
pudg·y
adj. pudg·i·er, pudg·i·est
Short and fat; chubby: pudgy fingers. See Synonyms at fat.

Rather pudgy a huge stretch.

[MissB]

48. For Hollywood? Yep. For society as a whole? Nope.

[Daisy Adair]

50. Yeah, it was the society as a whole thing I was asking about.

[dback]

52. Let's agree on "curvy," shall we?

If you're man who likes a little BOOM-ba-pa, BOOM-ba-pa when a healthy girl walks out in a formal dress, it's perfect. (Quoth Jack Lemmon looking at Marilyn Monroe's satin-wrapped ass in "Some Like It Hot": "It's like Jell-o on springs!")

Then again, I'm the guy who, when I saw Jon Favreau on "My Name Is Earl" last Thursday, drooled, "Hellloooooooooooo, Daddy." :)

[Jokerman]

54. Overrated, untalented - YES. Pudgy - CERTAINLY NOT. n/t

[XemaSab]

56. I'll say it:

By Hollywood standards, yes, she's pudgy.

By normal human standards, she's looking GOOD.

[underpants]

57. Looks delicious

:P

[leftofthedial]

58. pudgy, huh?

I guess i'm a fan of pudgy

[Daisy Adair]

61. NOTE: I don't think the remark was meant in ANY way to be offensive.

What struck a chord with me was that some label a curvy, healthy woman as "rather pudgy".

That bothers me.

[Sanity Claws]

62. Mariah does not look pudgy in that photo but..

I saw her yesterday and it looked like she had a double chin and her arms looked fleshy, not toned.
So if your friend's comment was not based on that photo but on other pictures of her last night, I might agree with her.

[Oeditpus Rex]

63. FABulous shoulders!

And hips (Hips!) and arms. Drool.

I could get seriously aroused by that photo if I could forget it's Mariah Carey.

I hypothesize that guys who claim to prefer stick chicks are submitting to peer pressure. No normal male really wants a woman who might snap in half.

[LaraMN]

65. I think many teenage boys prefer very thin women,

and a majority of men prefer a more rounded form. That's just my unscientific observation, of course.

[Oeditpus Rex]

67. Yeah, because men don't succumb to peer pressure as easily

In their teens and well into their 20s, guys are petrified of hearing, "Ew, you like that fat chick??" Unless a guy at that age is uncommonly independent of thought, he'll pretend to lust after Ticonderogas lest his underwear get hung from a flagpole.

It also bothers me that some Women of Substance fall into the trap, too, resorting to justifications such as "More cushion for the pushin'." It's the 22-pounders who should justify their anorexia, not the women who look like women.

Note that I'm not going sideways on women who are naturally thin. I'm talking about those who put effort into conforming to a ridiculous, dangerous stereotype. Everyone should look exactly as they feel natural and comfortable.

And why don't guys get saddled with similar stupid standards? :shrug:

[ContraBass Black]

85. They don't?

[underpants]

64. Phhhhhhudgy!!!

[ContraBass Black]

84. Oooooooooooooh

I like that angle.

[philosophie_en_rose]

66. She's not pudgy, but her dress doesn't fit.

The dress doesn't make her look fat, imo. But it does squeeze her and make it look like a sausage.

[Taverner]

68. No. That's HOT. Plain and simple

Perfect body form, nice curves and nice shape....

Perfect 10 for body....

[La Lioness Priyanka]

69. i reallylike her body

[mac56]

70. Only things pudgy about her are her Chip and Dale cheeks.

nm

[radwriter0555]

71. She's not pudgy. She has a no gut at all, it's flat as a pancake.

She has curves. Hips. Breasts. She's a natural woman with the best singing voice on the entire planet, bar none.

[LostinVA]

72. She is not pudgy at all -- just icky... I do not like her at all!

[rbnyc]

73. There are plenty of reasons to criticize her, but her body is not one...

...of them.

I know women who would give anything to have her figure. And sadly, it's not because they want to be more healthy or have more energy, but because they think that fat women are not valuable.

When are we going to get beyond this?

[gollygee]

76. dress = unflattering, but she is certainly not pudgy

ugly ugly ugly dress and too small

[GOPisEvil]

78. Curves are a good thing. Yes, indeed.

[CottonBear]

79. Pudgy as compared to her 18 year bod or bulimic, coke snortin' starlets.

Give me a break. She's got some lady lumps and bumps goin' on! ;)

[RPM]

83. who is that?

...
is she famous?

On edit - oh, that's mariah carey? it does seem that she has put on weight. Not bad looking, but certainly not at her peak.

[bif]

88. Shapely, I'd say.

[kathy14-0]

89. Yes, quite pudgy.

Considering it is a known fact she is sucking the life out of herself to squeeze into that dress which is probably 2 sizes too small. Her arms and her pouchy stomach look fat and you can see the cellulite on her thighs through the dress. If she wore something her size (and more age-appropriate), she would look much better.

[Daisy Adair]

90. Opinion noted.

:eyes:

[kathy14-0]

91. Well you did ask for opinions, did you not?

:shrug:

[Daisy Adair]

92. I sure did.

And you injected opinion as fact.

Opinions are like assholes... everyone's got one.

[kathy14-0]

101. I think it's obvious she looks like she's sucking it in big time

Other than that, the rest was opinion, which you asked for and you got. If you only wanted people to confirm what you already thought, why did you ask for others' opinions? In a crowd this big, surely there will be some who disagree with you. And when they do, one can't honestly act surprised or offended. Don't ask if you can't handle a variety of opinions.

I think she looks fat. :shrug: Sorry.

[sarge43]

93. "Rather pudgy"

Only if you considered Marilyn Monroe the equiv of the Goodyear blimp.

[Dervill Crow]

95. I think she looks beautiful, but she better not sit down. n/t

[LynneSin]

96. She looks great but the dress is way too tight

and it's a shame because that's Vintage Channel Couture. If the dress was just a tad bid loser around the mid-section I would have thought she looked beautiful!

[Redstone]

97. She doesn't look pudgy, she looks healthy.

Redstone

[Roland99]

99. BLECH! Skank! Can't stand Mariah Carey. SKANK!!!

[Roon]

100. Her bodyfat is a little high

23% to 25% I am guessing.

[friesianrider]

104. She's probably still in the "healthy" weight, but as you say...

Her body fat % is likely in the "overweight" category. I believe she is 5'9'' and the maximum healthy weight for a woman that tall is 168 lbs. My best friend from high school is 5'5'' and around 130 pounds, and I feel fairly comfortable saying Mariah Carey looks like she's at least 168-175.

I think she's barely in the overweight category, but I definitely think she's there. She doesn't look healthy to me, she looks out of shape.

[friesianrider]

102. I'd personally say she looks a little pudgy...

Something about her body is just...off, and I can see her gut hanging out and over a little.

For me personally, if I were a man, I'd say she looks pudgy. I wouldn't not date her because of it or anything but she doesn't look in shape to me, she just looks a little...well, pudgy and out of shape. To me, that doesn't only look pudgy, it looks unhealthy. But that's just me...don't throw vegetables, please! :)

[cynatnite]

103. Mariah's never had much fashion sense...

Dress ain't right for her, but she's not pudgy or anything like that.

It's too bad, really. With better tastes, she could give Halle Berry a run for her money. Now, Halle...she's got it.

[mykpart]

105. You must have been watching Joan and Melissa Rivers.

I hate Joan Rivers. What a bitch! At least Mariah hasn't had a dozen facelifts.

[NMMNG]

106. She is not pudgy, but she always wears her clothes *way* too tight

Plus our society thinks all women should be freaking anorexic. :eyes: