Trent Reznor of NIN attacks China for fur trade and animal abuse

[friesianrider]

http://tmz.aol.com/article1?id=20060126135009990001

TMZ has obtained shocking video of horrific animal abuse.

We have a copy of a PETA ad that has not been released, fronted by Nine Inch Nails star Trent Reznor. The video shows how dogs and cats in China are brutally handled, killed and skinned for the fur trade industry. Reznor urges that Americans boycott fur products.

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Watch the video in the link above if you dare to, and make a pledge to never buy fur products. (this is why I will never visit any Asian country.)

[eyesroll]

1. You are avoiding an entire continent because of what happens in China?

:shrug:

[friesianrider]

9. China is far from the only Asian country that does things like this

[eyesroll]

19. Okay...but Asia's a BIG continent. This is similar to saying you won't

go to Africa because of all of the scams in Nigeria.

You don't really hear about animal abuse in Sri Lanka, for instance.

[friesianrider]

27. I understand what you're saying...

I'm sure Sri Lanka has plenty of documented cases of animal abuse, if one really looked into it. Most (if not all) places do, I'm sure.

[eyesroll]

47. So are you avoiding the U.S., too?

We've sure got plenty of documented cases here.

[friesianrider]

49. Like I said...

I have to live somewhere, and I am not aware of any country in the world that does not abuse or exploit animals in some way, shape or form. This country is far from perfect, but we have many laws protecting animals that MANY countries do not. Could they be better? You bet your ass they could be, and I fight for that every chance I get.

[Beaverhausen]

2. Even more reason to love Trent

:loveya:

[friesianrider]

4. He is a cutie, eh?

And, apparently one who cares about what's going on in the world...good for him :)

[GOPisEvil]

3. Interesting. Good for Trent.

But, may I ask why you condemn an entire region for the actions of the Chinese?

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[GOPisEvil]

6. Asians don't have a singular culture.

But, ok.

[friesianrider]

7. No, but in general...

They all have documented cases of not giving a shit about animals.

[jpgray]

8. And yet you ignore the regular genocide of garden pests that goes on here?

You can hear about all the horrors in my biweekly Slug's Rights "Gastropodcast."

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[jpgray]

12. You might find the aphid genocide amusing

But if you scrape their chitin, do they not bleed?

[friesianrider]

14. Right.

:eyes:

[jpgray]

24. It's a Pogrom of Pterygota! A Massacre of Mindaridae

How coldhearted (if presumably not coldblooded) of you.

[RandomKoolzip]

33. This morning, I rolled over in bed and inadvertantly killed

six microbes. After weeping until I vomited, I immediately called PETA and confessed.

The police found me in the bathtub, neck deep in bloody water, and stitched up the wounds in my wrist at the hospital.

It's been a rough day.

[friesianrider]

36. Damn.

You should have been charged with cruelty, as well. You got off easy.

[asthmaticeog]

17. Right.

How DARE someone who disagrees on a point of doctrine consider himself a liberal. Bring on the PURGE! :eyes:

[friesianrider]

25. It's called respecting other people's viewpoints.

Even if YOU think they're stupid/illogical/inconsistent.

And, if you do, there's a way to go about pointing it out without being obnoxious about it.

[jpgray]

29. Yeah, but the obnoxious route is loads more fun

Verily, I bring humor to the humorless.

[friesianrider]

35. Well, it's something I take pretty seriously.

And it means a lot to me. So, naturally, I don't understand why it is so funny to insult things you know a certain person feels very strongly about and that matter a great deal to them.

Of course, you can do whatever you want, you're not breaking any laws, but I'm just saying where I'm coming from.

If you want to mock it, then ok. But it won't change my mind one ioda.

[jpgray]

37. Cruelty to animals is a terrible thing

But condemning an entire continent for that is a little extreme. The oldest sects of vegetarianism exist in Asia, and since Asia-based Jainists would definitely qualify as "holier than thou," I'm just not sure where you get off saying "I don't respect their culture." Some of the best vegetarian food in existence comes from "Asian" culture.

[friesianrider]

39. Ok...

And if you would have just said that very valid point like a normal person from the get go instead of trying to make me feel like shit and mocking my beliefs, we could have avoided all this.

Your point is noted, and I have to honestly say that you've given me something to think about. Thanks. :)

[asthmaticeog]

40. Self-delete

Every time you post, I slit a kitten's throat. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

[friesianrider]

42. No, not until he revised it...

Of course one can disagree with me, but please do it in a respectable manner. That's all I'm asking.

[asthmaticeog]

44. Arrrgh, you got your post in before my self-delete.

Message boards are hard... :cry:

[RandomKoolzip]

30. You're using irony. That's strike one.

Don't you know that irony is outlawed under Section 12:b of The Liberal Code of Ethics and Standards which just passed last night?

If I may quote:

Any human, of any gender, class, race, or creed, may be fined up to 1000 dollars or face the prospect of withering comments on an anonymous message board should one be less than deadly earnest when discussing animal rights.

[sundog]

34. sick

[LynneSin]

11. Well then leave the United States because we are just as bad

Maybe we don't do the same kind of torture but trust me, we AMericans are not ones to judge others on animal cruelty.

Just today my local paper had a story about a recent local bust of a cock-fighting ring!

[friesianrider]

13. That's a good point, but...

We don't have people selling caged domesticated dogs and cats in the streets of most major cities for dinner, and we also don't offer cat and dog meat for sale in most restaurants.

And, we also don't string up live cats and dogs for beatings before we slaughter them to eat.

I'm working to raise awareness to animal cruelty in this country the same as I am in many Asian countries. Unfortunately, I have to live somewhere and I would be hard-pressed to find a country that doesn't abuse animals in any way, shape or form.

I'm just doing what I can, no one is perfect.

[LynneSin]

15. No, we just have our own variety of animal abuses

Hell you and I both live a hour away from the Puppy Mill capital of the world. And from the pictures I've seen of these Mills in Lancaster county they are probably as bad as what Trent has found in China

[friesianrider]

16. Of course we do...

I don't think I ever said we didn't. But I think it's safe to say that in general, we are slightly more concerned with respecting and caring for animals than the Chinese are.

[LynneSin]

18. I guess my thing is that I wouldn't NOT visit Asia because of this

Because I feel like I would be judging something that we are just as bad as but just in our own way.

But I think we're both on the same page about the animal abuses - they're just bad EVERYWHERE!

[friesianrider]

21. That's very true...

Unfortunately, like I said, I have to live somewhere and I can't think of any place in the world where some form of animal abuse goes on legally.

And I agree about the puppy mills - they are atrocious. I hear Santorum of all people introduced federal legislation to regulate them *slightly* better.

[xmas74]

20. Exactly.

We have puppy mills in Missouri too. I went out on a ride-along once w/ a police officer. We responded to an animal cruelty call. Turns out it was a puppy mill that was almost as disgusting as what Reznor's video of China showed. Makes me glad that my dogs have always been from the pound.

This type of behavior against animals is everywhere-not just in Asia. It's just sad and sick.

[friesianrider]

23. Missouri...

Yes, I've heard they are bad there, too. We're near Lancaster County, PA...Puppy Mill capital of the world.

And good for you for adopting! :thumbsup:

[xmas74]

I think a "pound puppy" (or dog or cat)

knows that you saved them and is forever grateful to you for making them apart of your family. IMO, they tend to make better pets than pure blood, well bred dogs and cats.
And the mills used to be awful here but they've cleaned up a bit. Still won't buy anything from a breeder because of it.

[friesianrider]

31. You're right on, I wish more pet owners were like you...

People don't understand where the dogs in pet stores come from. They *all* come from either puppy mills or irresponsible breeders, no matter what the pet store tells you. At best, the pups came from a breeder who is breeding for profit and profit alone.

And besides, with so many healthy dogs and cats euthanized every day, there's really no need to buy anyway. You can find a homeless, purebred *anything* nowadays. I think maybe we should find homes for the ones we've got before we start making more.

[xmas74]

38. That's why I prefer to pick them up at the pound.

Right now in my area our pound is overrun. It's not just w/ the usual strays and dumps either. I live next to a military base and some of our men and women have been sent "on assignment". They can't take their pets w/ them so they have to give them to the pound.
Poor things. Their owners have to leave them (no choice) and, once they get to the pound, they have almost no chance. If I had more room I'd take 'em until they get decent homes but I can't. There are that many like that right now.

[northzax]

43. why make a difference about dogs and cats?

we consider them 'pets' I guess, but then cows are sacred in India, so our eating of beef is just as disgusting. Heck, it's fairly common in many parts of the world to eat horsemeat (And it's not that bad, either) we're the only ones who make these stupid distinctions. Hell, I'd rather that people buy a live animal and have to kill it before eating it, we are too seperated from our food. If you are the one who kills the chicken, for instance, you are a lot less likely to waste any of it. Someone has to kill the chicken, why not the person eating it?

so are you objecting to the use of animals you consider pets as food, or the fact that people actually are involved in killing their own food?

by the way, I've spent months in East Asia (China, Korea, Japan) and I have never been offered Dog meat. it's really not that common, but it turns out that when people are starving, they will eat Fido. And yes, I was with locals who delighted in feeding me strange things and telling me what they were. Dog meat (and no one eats cats unless they can really not help it) is a last resort that comes from poverty, not a first choice for anyone. And it has to be tenderized, otherwise it is inedible.

[friesianrider]

46. You're absolutely right...

I think Americans are far too detatched from what goes on in slaughtering their animals. I don't eat any meat, so I think it isn't fair to say it's wrong to eat horses and dogs and cats, but not cows or pigs or chickens.

It is interesting to me that if one were to treat a domesticated dog or cat the way American slaughterhouses treat a cow or chicken, most Americans would be appalled and that person, if they were caught, charged with what is a felony in some states.

[Jara sang]

22. What is he using? Nukes or conventional weapons?

[friesianrider]

26. LOL

Good point :rofl:

[DS1]

28. I wish I hadn't seen that.

Time to go wipe my mind.

[friesianrider]

32. Don't wipe it from your mind...

Write a letter, sign a petition, but please do something about it! :)

[flvegan]

41. Color me impressed.

Yet another mark in the "Yay, Trent!" column.

The fur trade in any country is barbaric. I wouldn't hassle an eskimo or any native, per se, but then they (to my knowledge) don't brutalize, intensely confine, etc the animal.

[jonnyblitz]

48. yup.

:thumbsup:

[LeftyMom]

45. Sexy and activist, too?!?!

:loveya:

[shockra]

50. Bravo, Trent!

What a contrast to J-Lo. Every time I see her stupid, carefree face on a magazine or tv I want to throw up. If I knew I'd lent a hand to what was going on in China I'd never be able to smile again.