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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:38 AM
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My puppy is screaming
:(
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:42 AM
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1. Awww...
Did he/she go into GD: Alito?

Poor thing. :cry:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:44 AM
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4. It's a he
and yeah, it's not a pretty sight. :(
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:43 AM
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2. Why?
Is he hurt, or just pissed off?

I heard a dog really scream once, after falling from a 3rd floor window, and that's one really horrible sound.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:45 AM
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5. My dog screamed at the Vet when she was being treated for a dog bite
in the neck by a pitbull. I never forget that sound.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:27 AM
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31. Yes, my little Winky screamed for 3 hours, waiting to be seen by the vet
after her little itty bitty leg was broken by our larger dog... it's awful when they're in pain... just awful!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:46 AM
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6. Gruesome
He's screaming like he's being killed because we put him in the kennel in the garage for the night. He's in the kennel because he's peed my bed 4 times in the last week, and he's in the garage because he screams. :shrug:

It's really an awful sound. I don't understand it.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:02 AM
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13. Do some work on the internet (yes you'll have to leave DU for a while)
find some pet forums and look for some ideas as to why the poor baby is doing this. Sometimes it's medical and sometimes it's behavioral. Also talk to your vet, they've heard it all and the decent ones have very good suggestions.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:04 AM
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14. He's going to the vet next Monday
and between the screaming and the peeing ALL OVER (which is why he's in the kennel in the first place) the vet and I are going to have a good long chat.

He peed on the floor at least 5 times today, and he peed outside at least 5 times today. Like, honestly, :wtf:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:14 AM
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15. Do you have a wind up alarm clock
Put the alarm clock and one of your sweat shirts that you have worn, with your scent, in the kennel with him.

You might even want to give him a stuffed animal to have as company (though don't be surprised if it is eventually torn up, puppies will be puppies)

He is a baby and he is scared, the ticking is like a heart beat and the smell of your shirt will give him comfort.

Good luck

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:21 AM
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16. I tried everything except the clock
He LOVES Polly's kennel. He'll sleep in there all day, but his own, nuh-uh, no way. I took the blanket from Polly's and put it in Bailey's, but he still hates it. My sweaters, toys, chew things, he still hates it in there. :P
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:23 AM
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18. Try the clock, the ticking may fool him.
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 01:24 AM by merh
And you will have to put up with the screaming for a few days, until he realizes it gets him no where.

I'll say an extra prayer to St. Francis for you guys. :9

:hug:

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:26 AM
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19. Thanks
He's actually quiet now. I think he's asleep.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:29 AM
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20. Glad to hear it.
He wore himself out.

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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:22 AM
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17. I'm really sorry...
I have no advice - more of a cat person - but it seems like there are some good suggestions in here. Hope it gets better very soon... Good luck!
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:13 AM
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42. What do you feed this puppy?

Do you feed him canned dog food?
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:44 AM
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3. This may be a good time for you to stop biting his tail.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:47 AM
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7. He doesn't have a tail.
:shrug:
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:55 AM
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8. That's my point.
:o
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:55 AM
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9. You see what happens when you bite a puppy's tail?
No wonder he's screaming. :)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:58 AM
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10. Here's the deal:
If he had a tail, I'd bite it, 'cause I'm getting damn tired of being chewed on 24/7, but he doesn't, so I can't.

And he didn't have one when we got him, either. Our older dog has a tail, and after a week of the puppy, I bet she wishes she didn't. :(
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:58 AM
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11. scream back?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:00 AM
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12. Somehow I don't think that would get him to stop
:shrug:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:42 AM
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21. He's lonely and scared
Dogs are social animals, puppies especially so. They need to be around other living creatures, not shut away somewhere.

Have you had him long?

When I was growing up, we had a dog who had to be taken from his mother at five weeks, which is too young. (The father dog was significantly larger than the mother dog, and the puppies were literally draining the mother.)

He'd howl at night until my dad started holding him and quietly petting him until he fell asleep. No, he didn't get "spoiled" by this, and it wasn't long until he was accustomed to us and fell asleep on his own.

Of course, the puppy was still tending to pee on the floor, but we kept him in the kitchen, tied to a radiator, on a part of the floor covered with thick newspapers, and praised him profusely every time he peed on the paper. He soon got the idea.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:48 AM
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22. We've had him for a week
and he was sleeping in my bed up until last night, when he peed my bed for the last time. At midnight. This was the fourth time in the last week he's peed the bed, and he's welcome to come back in my bed when he learns not to pee. We've given him many chances, but we decided that the kennel is the best way to teach him to not pee the bed without me going batshitinsane.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:00 AM
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23. How about putting him in your room, tied to a piece of furniture
with newspapers under him?

He's a baby. He's going to wet the bed.

Dogs don't have much of a memory for cause and effect. If you don't catch something that a dog has done within five or ten minutes, it's useless to scold or punish them, because they won't make the connection. They'll think you're just getting mad at them for no reason.

If you just suddenly put him in the garage, he's not going to understand why. It just feels like abandonment to him. Even adult dogs can go crazy if they think they've been abandoned, much less a puppy.

Put him in a kennel with newspapers on the bottom in your room. That way he'll know he's not being abandoned.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:13 AM
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26. He screams a LOT
He screams when he's in the kennel, and he screams when he's in the "wrong" room. Like tonight, my mom wanted to eat dinner in peace, so I took him in my room, but he went to the door and started screaming and scratching the door because he wanted to see the other dog. :eyes:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:01 AM
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24. How old is he?? It takes a LONG time to "train" a puppy
and in the garage, he's scared and loenely and probably wonders what's going on.. a week ago he was with his littermates, all snuggly in a puppy pile probably with Mom's body heat and scent, and now he's in a stranger's place in a dark cool place, and he's just a baby..

That's why he's crying..

A kitchen or bathroom is a better place, since he can get used to the hustle & bustle of the home and learn your voices..

Puppies are so much work.. We have been there many times, and are now happy cat people :)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:08 AM
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25. "Puppies are so much work"
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 02:12 AM by Lydia Leftcoast
I remember my mom saying that. She said that the work involved in training a puppy was second only to the work involved in caring for a baby.

Give the poor puppy a break, let him into the house where he can sense the presence of other living creatures, and don't invite him back into your bed until he's housebroken.

Expecting him not to pee in your bed is like expecting an undiapered infant not to pee in your bed.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:20 AM
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28. We raised a litter of 9 labradors, and had a poodle mix too
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 02:21 AM by SoCalDem
We literally turned the dining room into a kennel..My husband put up 4 x 8 sheets of plywood, laid end to end, and put a door in one side for Tasha to get in and out (the Mom). Those puppies were a hoot..We did not sell them until they had had 3 puppy shots and were 12 weeks old..By then they weighed about 12 lbs apiece and were romping machines.. We had 3 yellows and 6 blacks. They started EATING the drywall, and we would look in on them and see drywall dust on their noses..looking like little ghosts.. Then we had to line the dining room with masonite until we sold them. We enede up keepiing two, and of course Mom, who was promptly fixed..

We made NO money on the litter, since I took them to the vets all the time for checkups and shots and we turned 3 or 4 buyers away when they asked how soon they could be bred.. (MY babies were not destined to be puppy machines)..and we donated one to Guide Dogs of the Desert.. She was a magnificent guide dog, and her person was madly in love with her.. She was even written up in the paper for saving his life when a car ran a red light..



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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:26 AM
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30. This is one reason that I adopt older dogs.
The other one is that they need me, since older dogs are tougher to place, but I've never regretted it. With one exception, they tend to adapt more quickly, and my exception took only about a week, but what a week!!! I did adopt my beloved cocker, Barney, at age 10, and he wasn't completely housebroken, but he learned pretty fast. A puppy has got to be much tougher. I agree with you that the puppy must be lonely and scared. My little guy sleeps on my pillow, despite the occasional (ick) accident, but he let me know, from day one, that this was what he was used to. He makes a terrible fuss if he's left alone. I adopted him at age nine, and have since learned that this breed is one that's notoriously difficult to house train. I keep a towel on the pillow.:-)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:31 AM
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32. He's in the house most of the day
And he was in my bed at night, but last night I was planning to take him out after brushing my teeth, and I was standing there with the toothbrush in my mouth when he peed all over the floor. I threw him out in the yard while I finished getting ready for bed. I took him back inside and he PROMPTLY peed all over my *newly washed* comforter that he'd peed on two days before.

I was PISSED. :grr:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:47 AM
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40. Oh, another thing about dogs
They tend to pee where they've peed before.

If there was the least little smell of urine on the comforter, that probably told him that THIS was the appropriate place to pee again.

He's not doing it to be "bad."

Please, please follow some of the suggestions you've been given,

Remember and keep repeating to yourself, "He's a baby. He's scared and lonely."

Throwing him out in the yard AFTER he's peed is no good, especially if there's a gap between the time he peed ("after I finished getting ready for bed"), he won't get it. You have to watch him, and if he looks as if he's going into the typical postures for peeing or pooping, you pick him up and make sure he's on an acceptable surface. Then praise him profusely for peeing in the right place, even if you had to carry him there.

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:14 AM
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27. Why not keep him in the same room with you, but on his own bed,
which can be more easily washed, and using some of those puppy pee pads? He'll probably be much happier, if he's closer to you. I've read that sleeping in the same room is part of the "bonding" experience.:shrug:

My little dog sleeps on my pillow, has since the day I brought him home. He was obviously used to this, and has never been happy anywhere else. Of course, I also adopted this little dog when he was nine-years-old, though he's not immune to the occasional accident, but this small breed is notoriously difficult to house train. Kudos to you for having the patience to take on housebreaking a puppy at this time of year. It's never easy, but especially tough in January, which is also when I adopted my beloved cocker, who I had to housebreak at age 10. But this smart dog learned in no time. He was pretty good when I got him, but I was told that he should still be sequestered at night. Every night, I'd put him in the TV room, give him a treat, say goodnight and shut the door. After a little over a week of this, he took the treat, made an end run around me, and out the door, LOL! The second time he did this, I laughed and gave up. He was letting me know he was ready. Your pup will, as well, but you have to keep him on a strict schedule, one that he gets used to, to avoid accidents.:-)

I sympathize with you, since this must be frustrating, but also with the puppy, since he must be confused and misses you, after sleeping in your bed. I agree that it wouldn't hurt to get advice from your vet, but the best advice I received was to keep to a schedule. Good luck to you both!:hug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:25 AM
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29. Taking him out isn't that bad
We're in Northern California, and it's just cool and rainy here. We also have a covered patio that he's fond of peeing on. :eyes: It's just the hassle more than BITTER, BITTER cold like so many of y'all have to deal with.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:38 AM
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34. Aren't there special pads that puppies can learn to pee on?
I've only had a puppy once, when I was a kid, and I recall "paper training," before she learned to go outside. But technology must have advanced, since then! :D And I still recommend keeping to a schedule. Maybe you'll have to get up once in the night, while he's still very young, but he should learn once he gets used to what's expected of him. And it's fortunate that you don't have to deal with the cold, on top of everything else. We live in snow country, and my dogs are small, so it's a huge hassle to have to go out and shovel a spot for them before you can take them out, especially when it's early in the am and bitterly cold. I feel terrible making them go outside, at all! You need patience with a puppy, but they are adorable and remain puppies for such a short time. Good luck with this, and let us know how he's doing.:hi:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:57 AM
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35. you never answered how old this little guy is.
Puppys shouldn't leave their mother and littermates until they are at least 10 weeks old! Mother teaches them their social skills, how NOT TO MESS in their sleeping area!!!, and how to just be a good human companion.

I certainly don't know your case, but I've bread dogs and trained dogs too.

NO animal will mess in it's sleeping area! That's nature.

It's a tough job raising a puppy. Some are easier than others, but YOU must be the alpha dog.

Never be mean, it only teaches a dog to be agressive. But you must be firm and consistent.

You can teach a dog to go peepee and poopoo on comand. Yae, I know, that shounds crazy, but that's how they train guide dogs!

I don't subscribe to the go on comand thing for the average doggie though. But you really have to take them out very often. The younger they are the more often! The time between TO time gets longer as they get older and they WILL rather quickly get to know what you want them to do.

It's a dog's nature to want to please their owner, but it's YOU'RE responsibility to get the message to them of what it is that you want! They don't just KNOW things.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:39 AM
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36. He's still young
7 weeks, so I'm not too hard on him.

I just don't want my bed peed in, and I don't want to hear screaming all night. :shrug:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:25 AM
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38. I won't scream at you. I do understand your problem.
I'll just ask that you try to understand your puppy's problem. He should still be whith his mommy! He's scared, feels abandoned, and doesn't understand what he did wrong. He's not doing anything different from what he did when he was WITH his Mom. The difference is, Mom cleaned it up!

You've got a couple of weeks of being Mom dog. If you can, try to find someone who has a litter of pups who are 6--8 weeks old and just watch how their mom dog takes care of them. She's very strict with them. If they get to rough in their play, she nips them to say...STOP IT! You'll see how she teaches them to be on their own.

You're baby hasn't had any of that training so, sorry to tell you, YOU have to become Mom Dog. Get this little guy a small crate...just big enough for him to turn around in. By their nature, they will NOT soil where they sleep, so it has to be small enough that they can't "sleep at this end and peepee at the other". Yes, he will quickly outgrow the little one and you'll have to get another one, but that's just part of the process. Try keeping the crate in your bedroom and, when it's time to go to bed, cuddle your baby, and then firmly say, it's bed time now. Put him in his crate, pat his little head, and close the gate. YES you will probably have a day or two of crying, but he will soon learn that he's really not alone, and Mom will be there when he wakes up! After that, all should be fine.

Check the internet for tips on "crate training".

Don't give up on this little baby. Puppies are soooo cute, most people want to take them home when they're way too young. They grow up quickly, and you'll be amaized at how quick he learns what you want him to do.

Remember, for most dogs, the most they want in this world is to please their master! It's our job to communicate to them just what that requires.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:33 AM
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33. He's just a baby. He doesn't have full control of his bladder yet. It
IS just puppy pee after all.

I kept my Lola in my bed from the day I brought her home. I got up every 2 hours to put her on the wee wee mat, which DOES work very well, by the way.

Yep, she peed and pooped on the bed, but on the towels I covered the bed with, with only a couple exceptions. They really don't want to mess on the bed...

Combined with the praise for when she managed to pee on the mats, and the getting her up every 2 hours, after a couple weeks, she settled in pretty well.

Lighten up... get the wee wee pads if you haven't. They really will save your floors, since they have the plastic backing.

I've been there, it's almost worse than raising a human baby!

Good luck, I know it's frustrating.. but it will work out fine. I wouldn't bother with the kennel thing though.

Get her some chewy bones, the pressed ones. And if she doesn't have stuffed toys for company, she could use some of them. They need "babies" and siblings for company.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 05:57 AM
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37. if their sleeping space is small enough
they won't pee in it.

your bed is too big{in the puppy's mind} and so he feels ok peeing in it.

i miss having a dog!

even these stories just make miss them soo bad.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:42 AM
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39. When we first
got our Scottish terrier (a long time ago, I was still living at home), he would scream until I got up to play with him. His room was right under mine and the noise would come up through the floor. He was a good boy. I miss him.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:53 AM
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41. Well, I could tell you what avian behaviorists suggest when a parrot
is screaming, but it probably doesn't apply to puppies. Even after almost nineteen years my parrot occasionally decides he needs to scream to get me out of the back room. Look at the bright side. A puppy probably won't live that long. :silly: (And I hope he manages to live through the screaming stage without losing more than his tail. :silly:)

Disclaimer: post written under the influence of "just woke up."
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