"Brokeback Mountain leads Oscar nods"

[Puglover]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/31/oscar.nominations/index.html


(CNN) -- "Brokeback Mountain," the story of two male ranch hands who become romantically involved, led all films with eight nominations for the 78th annual Academy Awards.

"Brokeback," based on a short story by E. Annie Proulx, picked up nods for best picture, best director (Ang Lee), best actor (Heath Ledger), best supporting actress (Michelle Williams) and best supporting actor (Jake Gyllenhaal). Its screenplay adaptation, by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, also received a nomination.

Tuesday was also a big day for George Clooney, who picked up nominations for best director and co-writing the best original screenplay ("Good Night, and Good Luck"), as well as a pick for best supporting actor for his performance as a CIA agent in "Syriana."

I'll bet the Freeps are freaking...


:rofl:

[bbernardini]

1. Hear that popping sound? Freeper heads exploding.

[ThatsMyBarack]

2. Really?

Thought it was fireworks outside my window. Oh, well--no matter. Hooray for BM! :bounce:

[gratuitous]

3. Naw, the Freeps aren't freaking

This feeds very well into their victim mentality, in which absolutely everything is against them: George Clooney got an Oscar nomination! That's why I can't get health insurance! That's why I haven't gotten a raise for four years! It's because of Brokeback Mountain!

[ronnykmarshall]

12. Not only did Clooney get a nomination ...

he got THREE nomination!

[sadiesworld]

18. Hollywood's almost as good as RW radio

for keeping conservatives from voting in their best interests economically.

[donheld]

4. Brokeback Mountain - I'm pscyced as hell

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[donheld]

5. I'll bet the Freeps are freaking...?? follow this thread

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&action=m&board=37138446&tid=aposcarnominations&sid=37138446&mid=1848&thr=1848&cur=1848&dir=d :rofl::rofl:

[Puglover]

7. LOL...you're right...

these people are such asshats....i.e.


"Portraying scripture accurately can not be considered lying.

Trying to make gay-adulterous-cowboys seem typical and common IS lying."

1. Who sez Mel fucking Gibson was portraying scripture accurately with TLToC

2. How does Brokeback convey that gay cowboys are common.

Unbelievable.

[donheld]

11. Check this out

IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME AS A CHRISTIAN...
by: gastricbypass_christian (50/F/Houston) 01/31/06 11:19 am
Msg: 4161 of 4740

THAT THESE YOUNG MENS, HEAT LEDGE AND CUTE LITTLE JAKE GYLLENDALL, JUST NEED A ROUGH NAKED BOTTOM, OPEN HANDED SPANKING CUZ THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO BE TOOLS OF SATAN AND GET OUT OF THE ARMY!!! THEY HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM VAGINA AND JESUS AND THEY WILL GO TO HELL BECUASE OF IT!!!

WHAT WITH YOUNG MENS GETTING BLOWED UP RIGHT AND LEFT IN IRAQHDAD AND WHAT NOT YOUNG MEN THESE DAYS WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET OUT OF BROTHER GEORGE W. BUSH RIGHTEOUS FIGHT TO SET THE WORLD ON THE RIGHT PATH OF CHRISITIANITY!!!

I SAY ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!!! ONWARD AS IF TO WAR AGAINST TERRIBLISM AND ANTICHRIST CULTS LIKE MUSLIMISM AND CHARITIBLE CONTRIBUTIONS AND WHAT NOT!!!

IF THESE MEN WANT TO BE CORRUPT THEIR TEMPLES OF JESUS WITH EACH OTHER AND BE SEMENITES THEN I SAY THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO PERFORM AT ALL TIMES!!! AT ALL TIMES, JUST LIKE BUSH MADE THOSE SINNERS IN ABU GHRABBI!!! PRAISE JESUS!!! SUCKY, SUCKY LITTLE ARAB... AND NOW CUZ I KNOWS YOU LIKES IT, SINNER!!!

[saigon68]

17. WOW THAT'S SOME HEAVY SHIT

A PERSON REALLY WROTE THAT EH?

[Momgonepostal]

38. That's gotta be fake

It's funny, though. It's like someone who goes to church with Bob Boudelang wrote it. :-)

[smirkymonkey]

20. Vagina and Jesus?

I see a lot of mental illness demonstrated in this post. Praise Jesus, sucky, sucky.

[fleabert]

21. words fail me...

and that doesn't happen often. damn dude.

repressed much? someone did a number on this person, I almost (ALMOST) feel sorry for them.

[Robeson]

28. I hope everyone reads your post. This is what we are dealing with...

...people. They are zealots. If you think you're going to combat these type of people with turning the other cheek, you are sadly mistaken. You better put yourself on a war-footing. They are fanatics.

[Rob H.]

43. That HAS to be satire

Come on, "WAR AGAINST TERRIBLISM"? The sad/scary thing is there are probably some fundagelicals out there who actually agree with that woman and are taking that nutty rant seriously--I mean, SERIESLEE!!!!11!!111!!

[jmm]

36. Portraying John Wayne as a war hero is lying too.

Where's their outrage?

[ruggerson]

6. kick n/t

[AlCzervik]

8. good for them, and can i say congratulations to Wallace and Grommit

for getting the nod as well, if you haven't seen that movie please rent it, it's hilarious.

[Shine]

9. YES!!!!!!!!! this excellent movie is ground-breaking.

:applause:

[xchrom]

10. wooo--hoooo

:woohoo:

such a good movie!

[jseankil]

13. I hope Crash wins

That's a great movie.

[Danieljay]

15. agreed....I LOVED that movie...more than Brokeback.

Brokeback definitely deserves some awards though.

[goclark]

16. Yea for Crash and my dream man Terence Howard

he is so ooo handsome.

His acting reminds me of Marlon Brando, especially in Hustle and Flow!

If you haven't seen Hustle and Flow,get the DVD ASAP, it is great!

[Danieljay]

14. I saw it on Saturday night in Seattle...great show...

I was quite moved and impressed that the movie showed how many lives were affected as a result of repressed sexuality, love, and homophobia. I felt as sad for the women and children in these men's lives as I did the men who had to hide who they were from the world. The struggle between doing what's "right" and what actually "real".

I was a little surprised at the lack of apparant emotional bonding and build-up between the two men prior to the first sex scene. I've decided that this too could simply represent the conditioning that we as men have around emotional bonding and how that shows up in the world. That being said, the bonding became more believable as the movie went on. I give it the DanielJay two thumbs up.

[hfojvt]

22. and you are clearly evil in this matter (spoiler alert)

:evilgrin: (as I read your post count here)

I thought it was flawed

First, I note that the movie goes to great pains to make the gay (or bisexual) men seem like manly men - they smoke, they drink and get drunk, ride horses and bulls, curse, shoot guns, jump off cliffs, chop wood, cannot cook, and most importantly, are prone to violence. When we first meet Jack Twist, we see him kicking his clunker of a truck. When we first see Ennis he looks angry at the trucker who has just dropped him off and stalks away without a wave or a thank you. Then there are wrestling matches and their penultimate fistfight. At later points Ennis beats up two large tatooed bikers and gets in a fight with an angry motorist (in the usual movie way, he gets pummelled unconscious and then shows up in the next scene perfectly healthy - see?, fistfights do not hurt.). Jack is less of a pugilist but he complains strongly about his employer's practices, demands better food (that is 'meat') and threatens to beat the crap out of his father-in-law.
If Brokeback is giving the message that it is okay for men to have sex with other men, it also seems to give the message, more subtly, that it is not acceptable to be a "girly man" - that is a non-violent man. Ennis at one point declares "I ain't queer" and Jack says "neither am I" which I originally thought meant they were denying their homosexuality because they had been socially taught to be ashamed of it, but it could also be taken to mean they were declaring "I am not an effeminate man". Neither am I (and why do I feel it necessary to say so), but I support traditionally feminine values of non-violence, compassion, and empathy and eschew traditionally male values of brawling, drunkenness, and stoicism.
Second, I note the shallow-ness and dysfunctionality of their relationship. Ennis and Jack had a summer romance with a month's worth of sex. In the movies, this is equated to true love. Four years later, after both are married to other people and have had children, they are still madly in love with each other, and these two 30 year old men demonstrate this love by groping like teen-agers in heat and by going off on a "fishing" trip where apparently they are too busy having sex to actually ever fish even after ten years of going on four trips a year. What I consider highly dysfunctional is a man who drives 1400 miles four times a year just to cheat on his wife with an old summer romance. Forty plus hours of driving just to spend a week with an ex lover seems insane to me.
This, however, is our modern romantic ideal. It reads that Jack and Ennis were meant for each other, but because of society (or whatever) they could not be together. Yet because their love, their need for each other is so great, they overcome great obstacles to be together as much as they can. Since, however, they do not talk on the phone or exchange letters or emails, apparently they need each other's embrace and carresses more than they need the whole other person. In this romantic fantasy, love is almost all about sex, and sex is all about love (at least when the 'lovers' do it with each other, when they do it with their wives or girlfriends or hookers, then it is apparently something else).
Yet, Jack is shown not just to cheat on his wife with Ennis, but also to cheat on both of them with another man's wife and with hookers in Mexico. That kinda belies the whole "sex is love" theme. At one point Jack says to Ennis "I miss you so much it hurts." but a short time later he says that he visits male hookers in Mexico to "get what I need". It seems clear that he does not miss Ennis as much as he misses anus, or anal sex.
It is too bad that in many places same sex couples would not be allowed to live in peace with their neighbors, but I am not sure that would help these two men live happily ever after. The tragedy of America's bigotry does not make their responses to it any less dysfunctional. Nor does it make this movie less full of bad ideas about love, sex, and violence.

[xchrom]

29. ok -- there are differnt kinds of men.

there are men with impeccable qualifications{on the male scale} who are gay.

that is what that part of the movie is about -- nothing at all to do with giving some ok to or not ok to less than masculine men.

in fact talking about men with impeccable qualifications who are gay is pretty much forbidden.

men are violent -- but it's huge break to see them out of the mafia/pulp fiction arena and back into reality.
the small amount violence displayed here has a relationship to the small amount of violence a lot of men express in their lifetimes.

the characters are flawed that's what makes them human.

jack cheats because jack is more in touch with what is going on beneath the surface than ennis.
and in a complex twist{?} is trapped by ennis -- he would like to express himself differently but -- i.e. ''i wish i knew how to quit you.''
he can't.

and your comment about anal sex is truly worthy of freerepublic.

and about the movie and it's ''bad ideas'' -- i guess there shouldn't be any movies about peoples real lives -- we all fail -- and succeed.
it's the tension between the two that makes us interesting.

[hfojvt]

40. real lives are one thing, failure is another

bad ideas are something else entirely.

Your use of the term "impeccable qualifications" implies that men who do not drink beer and engage in fist fights are not "real" men. That the movie tries so hard to make sure we know they both fit some football locker ideal of a "real" man I consider to be promoting a false ideal.

You seem to excuse Jack's cheating although I do not really understand your rationale. That he is somehow trapped by Ennis makes him sound like a sex addict. He is not going to Mexico to find Ennis he is going for a particular type of sex. I am not sure what is so Freerepublic about noting that other than a bad pun which would not have happened if the character had been named Robert or Howard or Paul, etc. I may be addicted to puns, and trying to make people laugh.

A bad idea is not the same as failure. An example of a bad idea would be that "success" means "gaining money, fame or power". A story is not promoting bad ideas if it shows someone failing at that, it is promoting bad ideas, IMO, if it promotes that as an ideal. To repeat, it seems to me that this movie is promoting three bad ideas (not that it invented them)

1) This, however, is our modern romantic ideal. It reads that Jack and Ennis were meant for each other (note, this seems like less of a bad idea when "they all live happily ever after" it is more of a bad idea when the heroes ruin the relationships they are in because they are chasing after that impossible ideal)

2) In this romantic fantasy, love is almost all about sex, and sex is all about love (at least when the 'lovers' do it with each other, when they do it with their wives or girlfriends or hookers, then it is apparently something else)

3) it is not acceptable to be a "girly man" - that is a non-violent man

[xchrom]

41. i'm not defining ''real men'' - i am saying there are men

with impeccable qualifications -- whether you like it or not.
i'm not one of them myself -- but they still exist.

and society does measure men against them.
they are the football players, the firemen, soldiers and yes, cowboys.

you can think of it as a false ideal -- but these men will always exist.

and have since -- well the obvious -- greek times.

and there is nothing in either the short story or the movie that says the men did not have love or have affection for their families{including their wives}.
they did miss something they couldn't have.

i excuse jack's cheating because that's how so many gay men stayed alive, damn it!
i've read so much whining about the cheating these guys do -- gay men didn't make the world we live in -- we cope with it the best we can -- remember ennis tells jack he doesn't want to wind up dead like the two ''old birds'' from his youth.
incidents like these are/were not uncommon occurrences.

that's a little something i know about -- having been abducted at gun point once for being gay and abused for several hours -- by straight guys.
having been chased through phoenix at gun point after leaving a gay bar -- by straight guys.
having been nearly killed in front of my house at gun point by neighbor who figured out that i was gay -- but i had never spoken to.
and that's just my real life.
annie p. isn't describing anything but what life can be like for some gay men

so for my money straights simply hold gay folk to a different ideal than they hold themselves?
because trust me -- you would do what it takes to save your life.

you assume he goes to mexico for anal sex -- where did it say in the movie{or the short story} that the sex he was looking for was anal -- like straight folk -- we engage in a variety of sex acts.
i assume that the masculinity of the characters did not escape you - and you picked something that you felt was the most derogatory for a guy with -- yes -- impeccable qualifications.
that is pretty FR.

i have doubts whether you saw the movie since you say the love that existed between them existed only in the sex -- again that's not in the movie or in the short story -- that's just another take on your anal sex theory.

the movie does not address guys like me at all -- so what universe you pull the ''girly men'' thing from -- i have no idea -- annie p. is simply talking about men that exist in the far west.
yes, virginia, there really are gay men who in know way could you recognize as gay by anything they do -- any manner of speech --
choice of fashion.
they really do hold jobs being contractors, roofers, firemen, soldiers, -- and yes, cowboys.
they set off no one's gaydar.

if you feel diminished that these guys exist -- well that's up to you -- cause i don't -- like all my brothers{gay or straight} -- i respect them for how they are in the world.

[Puglover]

33. Is the "human condition" a concept that eludes you?

"It seems clear that he does not miss Ennis as much as he misses anus, or anal sex." Wow, I can't say anything more accurate about that statement than the poster above me said.

Try to wrap your head around that fact that the film was set in 1963 in Wyoming. As they stated several times during the movie "they would kill us". Did you miss that? That simple fact sorta dampens any phone chat, letters, or EMAILS????? Did you even see the movie?


How you would expect two males brought up in the environment that these two males were brought up in to have a functional relationship says a whole lot about your understanding of this movie.

Edit for clarity.

Edit again to eliminate pre coffee excess snark.

[hfojvt]

39. okay, maybe not a clever pun

but you do not explain the human condition. I am not asking people to be perfect. Sometime people make mistakes like forgetting that a movie was set in the 1960s and that email has not been around forever.

I'm not sure why possible death threats have anything to do with phoning or writing, except you seem to be implying that if they do call or write they will only talk about sex. If this is a love story, in my view, there should be more love, more communication, more "I want to talk to you and be with you". Instead it seems to be a sexual obsession dressed up like a love story. It is an obsession not because of the orientation, but because it is all about sex.

I am not really expecting them to have a functional relationship. Society kept them from forming a family or a household with each other. However, if you take the homosexuality out of it, I still think it would be dysfunctional. Imagine if it was Jack and his wife having a summer romance because they meet on the rodeo circuit, and his wife, like Ennis, is already engaged to someone else. At the end of the summer she decides to break it off, because her dad doesn't like Jack and she is already engaged, etc. Then if they meet four years later and Jack starts driving 1400 miles for extra-marital sex four times a year and has another affair and visits prostitutes, then I am still thinking that that is a very dysfunctional response to a relationship that did not get together.

[unda cova brutha]

19. I guess I'll have to go ssee it

Im not much of a western movie fan but I can put that aside to see this improtant film.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

23. WELCOME TO DU!

Hope you have fun in our crazy, addictive little village!

:hi:

[NVMojo]

24. the repukes control the machines, the president, congress, etc. BUT

they obviously don't control the people's thoughts, ideas, minds ...although they are working on controling those things ....

[tuvor]

25. Also sure to freak out the freeps: Filmed in Alberta.

Yep, ever-Conservative-lovin', oil-rich Alberta, home of our new Prime Minister.

[Raine]

26. Right wing fundies

will have a field day with this. :silly:

[NMMNG]

27. Brokeback deserves the nominations

It was an excellent movie.

As for the Freeps, let them freak. They are small-minded bigots. I hope their heads explode.

[Scooter24]

30. Freeper Reactions...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=26585&mesg_id=26585

"straight" from the source :rofl:

[DanCa]

31. I've got to wait until it hits the $3.oo dollar show by us.

Lol. Our local regal movie theater charges 8.50 for adult shows. Plus you add snacks on bus fare I am tapped.

[Puglover]

34. Dan we went to the midweek

matinee at 1pm. Ticket was 5.00.....a medium popcorn and medium diet coke. 8.50

:rofl:

And I spilled the coke after two sips.

:eyes:

[DanCa]

35. Lol . Never sit next to me during a monster flick.

When I saw Kong the first time I was having some super nachos and the chips and cheese went everywhere .

[Clintmax]

32. I'm so freakin happy about this!

Brokeback is one of the best movies I have ever seen! It deserves the nominations and I hope it wins them all! :bounce:

[In_The_Wind]

37. I Am Going Back To See It Again!

[Radical Activist]

42. "Hollywood elites are pushing the gay agenda"

It will be repeated endlessly.

[Initech]

44. Now, I really, seriously hope that Brokeback wins best picture

If only to see James Dobson's head spontaneously combust! :nuke:

:evilgrin: