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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:25 AM
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Mind if I talk about my Father?
This might be a bit introspective, so if you get bored, I'll understand.

I just found out Today that he died. He was 61. I'm not sure about my reaction, but it is affecting me, which is why I decided to write my thoughts down. But who needs a private diary when we have DU?

He died 3 weeks ago. The funeral was last Saturday. My aunt had to look my Mom up through a high school friend of theirs. I had been out of contact with the Downs family (not our real name...none of them I might type are) for at least 15 years.

To make a long story even longer. I had lost contact with my Dad at 4 years old, then when sued for back child support, he wanted to see me again. I was 13 then. I spent a month with my new younger brother, sister and step mom, Patricia and of course my Dad. I fell in love with him, and everybody else. Boys don't cry, but I did after I got on the plane. Cut a couple of years later, he stops seeing me because Grandma died, and he had some financial trouble, and couldn't continue to pay CS. Strange that belief. You can't see your son because you can't afford CS payments? I never understood how that had anything to do with me. I went through HS and the Army with not one word from him. It was as if I never had a father at all.

Finally, fresh out of my boots, at 21 I decided I was going to look him up again. I had no idea where he was, but I called the last person I had a phone number to, my uncle (who owned a pool company in San Jose Ca., who told me Dad quit him shortly after Grandma died). I got him, and we talked. He bought me a ticket to come visit him (new Army vets are dirt poor BTW. Have a little understanding when the windfall isn't there) and we hit it off again. My sibs were teenagers now. Both Sher and Tom were great. I stayed in contact with them for another 2-3 years. I was in college at the time, and as most vets know, that college money doesn't last, and I was about to run out of money in my Junior year. At the behest of my Grandpa's advice (on my mother's side, whom of course never liked my Dad, since he knocked Mom up with me in the first place-God I sound like Pippin in LOTR -Grandpa is not Farmer Maggot)..."He never gave you a damn thing in your life. It's about time he took his responsibility for you now!" Well, any stupid 23 year old goes off with that advice half cocked and tried to put the screws on his Dad...which I did. Dad said no. I let it go.

For the next two years we kept in contact by phone, and I do remember sending him a birthday card once. I never got one from him. Of course, being 24 doesn't make me any more mature than 23, and I noticed that I was the one always calling him. He never initiated a call, unless it was a secret code to a Nintendo game (remember the up, up, down down shit you used to have to do to get 99 lives on Contra?)...so, as I said, 24 and stupid, I decided to play "who blinks first", and waited for him to call me.

I waited for 15 years.

at 25 or 26 (it all runs together now) I found out through my Other Grandpa (he's not Farmer Maggot either) that Dad and Pat moved into another house, changed phone numbers. I dropped out of college (ran out of money) and got my own apt. and changed mine, so there's 2 degrees of separation. Yes, there were many times when I thought of doing one of those $30 look 'em up detectives on the internet later on, and wondered what everybody was up to. I really missed Tom And Sher, but I had no way to contact them, since I no longer knew where they lived after they moved out, and I would have to go through him to find them.

Now, at 40. I get told by my Aunt Janet, who Mom gave my phone number to, that according to my siblings, that I was a greedy bastard that cut dad off when I couldn't bilk him out of any more money. I had no idea where this is coming from, but since I was never contacted by any of my immediate family upon his death, even after the funeral had passed, that although I knew it in the back of my mind for a long time, I think it's now confirmed that his first born...never really belonged.

He died in his chair, in front of the TV. There was no autopsy. He was cremated. It could've been a stroke, or complications from some medication. Apparently it takes a couple of months for toxicology exams to get back to us.

I have a lot of regrets, now that he's gone. But at the same time, I wonder if I ever had much of a choice in it. I told Janet to give my phone to both bro and sis. Who knows if either will call.

For those of you who got past the "In the beginning, the Dinosaurs got too fat and died" stage. Thanks. I just needed to write it down. Sorry about being so morose, but I am saving on car insurance!
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:36 AM
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1. My condolences
I hope that somehow he knows how you feel :hug:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:40 AM
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2. I'm sorry
:hug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:41 AM
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3. wow... I'm not quite sure what to say.
Thanks for sharing that experience. If it helps you by writing it out, then perhaps someone else can also be helped through your story.

My condolences on your loss.
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:42 AM
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4. I'm glad you posted your thoughts ..
I can only hope that your father knows the truth and that you love him. I'm sorry you didn't get that chance to say goodbye. He will live forever in your heart though.

many :hug:'s to you. Please know you have my sympathies.


may he rest in peace. May the GOOD memories you have, overshadow and extinguish the 'bad' memories.

aA.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:54 AM
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8. Rocky, Rev, Auntie and Mom, you need to stop it.
I'm :cry: now. It just hit me with AuntAgonist's post.

Thanks for the thoughts. Since Christianity's been co-opted, my faith has been awfully shaky since...but from somewhere in my mind, I do think that he does know I'm ok, not in jail, relatively sane, and still searching for that happiness the Declaration of Independance mentions...and I think he also is at peace with me and that I never really stopped loving him.

Thank you all (and any of you future huggers below) :grouphug:
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:55 AM
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9. ........
:grouphug:

crying is good for the soul :)


:hug:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:47 AM
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5. My condolences dude...
Divorce is an ugly thing and it makes people do ugly things. That's about all I can say.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:48 AM
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6. My sympathies. Take good care of yourself.
And thanks for a very good post, a very good and heartfelt telling of the story. You seem to be a guy of emotional acuity and with a good perspective on things.

Some rough stuff. Hard stuff. Be good to yourself, and stay strong.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 01:48 AM
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7. Write as much as you need to...
Your story might convince somebody else on DU that differences need to be patched before it's too late.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope the pleasant times you spent with your dad outshine those that were difficult. :hug:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 02:27 AM
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11. Speaking of your name.
I have 1 left in the fridge (it's in a can, so don't smite me for that). Join me!:beer::toast:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 02:05 AM
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10. You write from the heart...your heart
and the maze of a complicated relationship is told well...not a simple task to do.

My thoughts are with you.
No matter what your regrets, the way you share your story shows you have heart. :hug:

xo
Nelly
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 02:52 AM
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13. I just thought of a couple of things.
Do you remember those HUGE cinerama domes? My first summer with Dad, he took us all to "The Empire Strikes Back." The new multiplexes don't hold a candle to those hangar sized theaters. We also saw Airplane at the Drive In. He kept telling me to stop looking through the back window at Blue Lagoon on the opposite screen.:D

My waterski (a Taperflex) is still with them somewhere. I haven't skiied since I last saw him at 23.

He liked Twinkies (ugh!) :puke: ...but not just any Twinkies. They had to be the ones that burst open with the cream seeping out of the side. He always thought the guy who put too much cream in Twinkies would get fired. I had to break it to him that a robot did that.

He did buy me $300 of clothes for school instead of help with college, and that I should've appreciated that more than I did. $300 bought a lot of clothes in 1989.

Eh' I'm rambling again. I'll stop.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:30 AM
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16. No need to stop
besides...you can't. But it's good you can share it.

We all are part and parcel of the people who have been in our lives, and the memories we have of ourselves with them.

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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 02:35 AM
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12. My deepest sympathies to you.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:23 AM
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14. I remember Contra
sorry to hear about your Dad, mine passed away three years ago, good luck to you
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:26 AM
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15. Ok. Now I'm pissed!
I found two obits, One in California, the other in Missouri, both dated 1/27. It seems I never existed. My two siblings decided that they were the only two children of my father's. I'm not mentioned anywhere. Like Orwell said...I can be erased.:grr:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:39 AM
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17. Maybe you don't exist for them.....But
You did exist for your Dad.....and that's what matters, IMHO.....

Remember, he is your dad, and you are his son, and you love each other!

Death does NOT change that.....

To remember him is to keep him close to you, in your heart.....



:hug:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 11:28 AM
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18. Thanks.
...but I'm not sure he did. I don't know what kind of people my brother and sister turned into in the last 15 years, but my Dad has always been a little standoffish when it concerned me. Maybe a reminder of a failed marriage, or whatever.

Anyhow...:hug:
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 11:40 AM
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19. Words on paper cannot and do not erase your existance
in the heart and minds of those who love you and you love in return. Selfish people exist too and it sounds like you've had your share of dealing with them.

YOU DID EXIST, your relationship with your father proves that.

:hug: :hug: :hug:


to hell with them, their loss. You can't and won't be erased.
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:03 PM
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21. Don't let that get to you.
I recently came across a synopsis of my ex's autobiography online. Appears I've also been 'erased'.
While it had to involve a deliberate choice, all it really reflects is an inability or refusal to look back honestly. Not my problem.


Keep sorting things out as you're doing. Peace is at the end of the trail. :hug:

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 11:41 AM
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20. Oh, honey
Edited on Sat Feb-04-06 11:41 AM by ismnotwasm
That is such a sad story.
My son met his father when he was 16. (I'd have to start my own blog to tell my entire life story) The man was an Native american alcoholic, and I must confess to alternative motives--I wanted my son registered with his band. Which his father was more than happy to do, (it's my belief he knew there wasn't anything else he could offer)Child support was, of course a joke- I never even brought it up.

My son decided he wanted to live with his father, and I let him-- which didn't work out very well, but at least he had the experience. I caught a lot of hell from my family over it, except from my own father who seemed to understand.

The man died last year of alcoholism. My son is now 24. I guess all I can say is that at least he got to meet him, and get to know him as best as he could-- that damaged, damaged man. It meant something in the end, after the anger, after the grieving, it really, really did.

I'm so sorry for your loss, and I hope time brings you some comfort
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:05 PM
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22. I'm very sorry for your loss.
:hug:
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cfield Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:11 PM
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23. I don't have any words that might comfort you but I do have
:hug: :hug: :hug:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:32 PM
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24. Sorry for your loss.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:36 PM
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25. I'm so sorry for your loss, Touchdown
Your dad will live on in your heart. Remember that.

:hug:
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:46 PM
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26. I am so sorry for your loss
I wish you peace.
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 02:05 PM
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27. I'm sorry
:hug: Please keep writing if it's helping you. It's the best way I know to process deep emotion.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 02:17 PM
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28. Touchdown, I thank you for sharing this deeply personal story.
I am sorry for your pain and sadness and I send you my very best wishes for Peace, Forgiveness and Healing. :hug:

Be gentle with yourself during this difficult time. It takes Courage to grieve....
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froggy876 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:07 PM
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29. I love you big bro!!!
Mom forwarded your story to me. You are my big brother and I love you. I want you to know that Dion and I are here for you if you need to talk. :hug: Love you bunches! Ty says "HI uncle Trace!"
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:13 PM
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30. I'm sorry.
It always seems hardest when we have those mixed feelings. I know, I've been trying to get the love of my mother most of my life... now, when she's old and deranged and badly needs my love I have no more to give. Mixed feelings here,too. Pure love or pure disgust or hate are much easier to take. I hope you'll get it sorted out.

You did all you could. You were hurt by him.

------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:25 PM
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31. Life is hard enough when you have parents who are mature ...
It must be triply hard when they are not mature. It looks like you turned into a thinking, introspective person. I'm sorry your Dad is gone, and that he did not do more during his life to get to know his eldest.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 04:47 PM
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32. Hey, Touchdown.
Thank you for posting what you've written. Do be sure to back that up. As time passes, when the memory of this day comes back to you, you may have different feelings, remember different things. Add to what you've written here. I promise, having it all written down, and writing more, is valuable.

:hug: I'm sorry.
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