Steelers QB Admit He didnt Score TD

[rsmith6621]

Ben Roethlisberger on Letterman admitted that he did not get the ball over the line as called by the NFL refs in Sundays Superbowl.....If this would have been acknowleged during the game that would have put the score at 14-10........

Ben Roethlisberger will go down in Superbowl history as the worst QB to play the SB. This game was the worst officiated Superbowl ever.

Ben Roethlisberger in my opinion has no integity His lack of integrity may have tilted the game.....

Ben Roethlisberger and Bush must be related as they both can not admit mistakes when they happen......Ben Roethlisberger is a total shithead....


As a Seattle fan now IM PISSED.....

[dsc]

1. It doesn't matter what the players say

it is what the refs say that matters. Ben could have told the ref he didn't score immediately after the play and the ref would have not been allowed to consider that at all. I didn't watch the game so I have no idea if he scored or didn't.

[genie_weenie]

33. Darn Right!

It doesn't matter what the players say, just ask Chris Hope who lobbied for the bullcrapola Offensive Pass Interfernence on D Jackson.

This SuperBowl was fixed. As if the NFL, would allow a football team from the pacific northwest, known only for depressing music and rain, to defeat a *STORIED* fanchise, on th cusp of all-time greatness and with the feel good story of the year in the Bus returns to Detroit along with his parents, who have attended every game of his life. How touching.

Seattle was robbed on 5 major calls.

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

3. I didn't think it did either. I thought it was the angle of the camera.

:popcorn:

[DS1]

4. I heard him say it during the game

they had one of those miked helmets on him, and he was talking to Bettis about how and why he got caught up instead of making it over the line - they cut away quickly after that

[Ekirh]

5. Yes

Cause as we know any other quaterback would've bowed their head to the ground and admit to the Ref he didn't make it over. . .


In sports.. more often than not a player will take any call in their favor the ref gives them.

I agree, he didn't make it over. . . but any other quaterback in ben's position would've done the same thing. Handed the ball over and accept the touchdown call.

[MrSlayer]

6. Well you can't expect him to ask that the refs take points off the board.

Just what do you think he should have done? Life isn't a Gil Thorpe cartoon you know. They know the victory is tainted just as 90% of America does but they will take the ring and the accolades.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

7. KKKARL ROVE'S BEHIND IT!!

:popcorn:

[deadparrot]

8. Yeah, it sucks.

Then again, it happens. Like someone upthread posted, if a Seakhawk would have been given the touchdown, I doubt he would have insisted that it be disallowed. It's sports. Bad calls happen.

Just ask any bitter St. Louis Cardinal fan, circa 1985:


We cry and bitch, and then we move on. All part of the cycle. :hi:

[SeattleGirl]

10. You are quite right, deadparrot

It's true that Seattle made some mistakes in that game that had nothing to do with the officiating, so they may well have lost anyway. But for me, I want teams to win and lose based on their play, not with the help of some truly bad officiating. :hi:

[deadparrot]

13. And that's the way it should be.

I didn't have a vested interest in the game, and was only watching it out of the corner of my eye, so it's very possible that Seattle played the better game. We'll never know who would have won had there been perfect officiating.

My philosophy is that in sports, where referees/judges are necessary, you kind of have to accept a certain amount of human error as part of the game, because human judgement has such a huge impact on the game itself. I'm not gonna pretend I don't get worked up when they don't call a game the way I want them to, but time helps to heal that.

Ultimately, what are you gonna do? It may be a sore spot for a good long while, but when it's all said and done, I've got food, clothing, and a roof over my head, which is more than I can say for a lot of people. Life goes on, and before you know it, it'll be training camp time again. :)

[SeattleGirl]

15. For the record

I hate bad calls (especially if they seem deliberate, as some of the SB calls were) regardless of which team they go against. I can accept human error, and I don't expect those officiating at sporting events to be perfect. But, again, about three of the calls were so blatantly NOT offenses. The thing that is angering me is some of the Steelers fans who think they have the right to treat others in a negative way. Just because their TEAM won, doesn't make them better than anyone else.

And you are right -- I, too, have things that others don't. And, the first baseball spring training game is March 2!!!!!! :hi:

[deadparrot]

24. Gloating is an absolute no-no for me.

If my team wins, I usually go to that team's website/forum and celebrate. I can't tell you how shitty it made me feel as a Cardinals fan during the 2004 WS and the 2005 NLCS to read some of the nasty posts on DU about "my" guys...they weren't celebratory; they were simply mean-spirited. I don't mind celebrating, but gloating goes way over the line.

And I'm VERY excited about baseball...pitchers and catchers report in about a week! :bounce:

[SeattleGirl]

29. Good on you!

That's the way I am, too.

[Crazy Dave]

37. Hey SeattleGirl!

I was hoping you and the others from there were doing okay after that bad wind storm over the weekend. I heard lots of homes were without power during the game.

[LSdemocrat]

25. Indeed, BTW, there's still 2 seconds left in Superbowl XXXVI

;)

[deadparrot]

26. Can't say that I didn't shed a few tears after that.

And I'm not even that big of a Rams fan! When I do follow a team thoughout the season, however, I do have a tendency to get attached.

My poor teams...no matter the sport, they tend to get their asses kicked by Boston/NErs. :hi:

[blue sky at night]

9. Man I am glad someone finally brought this up...

I knew when the Pittsburgh/Cincinnati game went the way it did that "they" wanted Pittsburgh to be in the Super Bowl and sure enough.....the rest is history. I don't take The NFL, The NBA, or MLB seriously anymore. I don't want to sound like sour grapes, but it just doesn't matter what team you root for, if the powers that be don't want them around, it's see ya later. Pittsburgh is the dirtiest team in the NFL and of course they won, in America today the cheaters always win. (I compare them exactly with the Repukes.) I loved the way Seattle looked, real class from top to bottom....even when the refs took the game away, you should be extremely proud of the Seahawks. I am not going to tell you where I live, but we don't care for the Steelers too much, and it was hideous seeing all the fair-weather idiots with their number 7 jerseys on all week. Hope all you Steeler Fans are real happy, you should be....but does it really matter, does it really mean anything when you "win" the way you did? BTW, I notice the "Real Class" from the Winners is showing distinctly right now in this very thread.

[lies and propaganda]

11. Wouldnt have mattered anyway you spin it

Holmgren sucked it up and its real convenient to have some bad calls to be able to blame the refs. No matter, if Pitt only got a field goal for 3, they still were beat them by more than 4.

bunch of crybabies, how did Seattle get there in the first place (NFC lame schedule, hah)

[zone]

12. That was obvious to the most casual observer

He even looked guilty reaching his arm over. I can't begin to compare that to Bush, though.

[obxhead]

14. As a Steelers fan I'm pissed as well....

Ask yourself a serious question though....

If the situation had been the exact opposite (seattle Not getting across the line), do you believe your QB would have gone over to the ref and said something like "no way man, I never made it across that line. You were wrong".

Again as a Steelers fan, I didn't like a lot of calls: the touchdown you mention and the called back TD at the half against Seattle.
As a Steelers fan I'm not real happy with this win. It could have been much better game with good officiating.

Think about calling this all out on the Burg for not correcting the ref, Your team wouldn't have done any different had positions been exactly reversed.

[flamingyouth]

16. I agree with you.

If this situation were reversed, I wouldn't be happy with the win either. It just wasn't a very good game, period.

[SeattleGirl]

17. Agreed, obxhead

I know that no player would go to a ref and say, "Hey, I really didn't make a touchdown." For me, his remark just confirms what so many of us thought about that play. :hi:

[fortyfeetunder]

19. Also agree!

I am glad Seattle lost after all this. We won in other ways. Our championship won't be questioned.

I feel for the Steeler fans like you who felt this game was not cleanly won.

[fortyfeetunder]

18. Now these revelations are coming out in the wash

Rothlisberger's revelation seal the deal on the smarminess of SBXL officiating.

I am a Seahawks fan, and now glad they lost, and hard as it is for me to say. Because they actually won the avoidance of a questionable SBXL championship!

This game was so poorly officiated, it's bringing out the wrath among NFL fans, and not just Seattle fans. Whoever won SBXL would have been looked upon with suspect, as we now see with the Steelers.

[obxhead]

20. well said.....

I feel the same in a way... I didn't like a few of the calls and it was a very poor game because of it.

It is a poor victory by my team at best.

[Elidor]

21. I would submit that the QB's biased perceptions

Can hardly be entered into evidence as proof. Clearly, he was excited and not a good witness.

[jobycom]

22. Man, get some priorities

Bush lied to slaughter over a hundred thousand innocent people. Ben Roethlisberger got the benefit of a bad call he had no control over, and that wouldn't have changed if he'd been screaming in the replay official's ear that he hadn't scored. If you think those two facts make the two men similar, you need to be slapped with a guppy.

And for full disclosure, I'm a Cowboy's fan, so I could care less about either team, though I was leaning towards Seattle.

[blue sky at night]

39. Small point of English.....

if you could care less, that means you care some......the proper term is "I couldn't care less...." but I agree with you, who cares?

[jobycom]

42. I knew that, and I did it wrong anyway!!

:rofl: Brain spasm!

[hfojvt]

23. It is not up to the berger king

He can't goto the refs and say 'hey, take the touchdown back. I was not really over the line'. Was it third or fourth down, or would they likely have taken the bus for a TD anyway? 14-10 or 17-10 is still a victory for the mofo Steelers. And the worst QB in a superbowl is still John fu$%ing Elway, as they joked afterwards "John Elway could not get home after the game. Somebody had put an endzone in front of his house." However I cannot remember if it was the Skins or the Giants who whomped them that time.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

27. Don't take it so seriously - it's just a game

Check that. It's not even a game anymore, it's just a corporate business transaction.

[Mojambo]

28. I'm a Seattle fan and I kinda think you're crazy

I kinda like Rothlisberger a lot more because he was candid and honest about it.

I wish the NFL could pick up on his lesson and just admit that the officials fucked up some on Sunday.

And it's crazy to expect Big Ben to tell the officials at the time. He's trying to win, not his fault that the refs aren't doing their jobs correctly.

[muriel_volestrangler]

30. How could he tell?

Because it was a matter of millimetres, and I don't think he was in a good position to tell - his head was in motion, he was getting blocked, and he surely wasn't looking sideways to get a good idea of where the imaginary plane was. Someone in his position is one of the last people able to judge it correctly.

[mzteris]

yup.

The NFL also notes "a player with the ball in his possession scores a touchdown when the ball is on, above or over the goal line." ... As for what constitutes a touchdown, the league says that occurs "when any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent's goal line, provided it is not a touchback."


The replay shows that the ball was touching the goal LINE - it doesn't have to entirely cross the goal line. I think that's where people get confused.

[Dr Batsen D Belfry]

31. Excuse me while I call you a WAAAAAAAmbulance

As I recall, the ref had his arms up indicating a TD before Roethlisberger moved the ball forward. Perhaps it was a bad call. Perhaps not. In the grand scheme of things, take it away and the Steelers still won.

1) Seattle was moving the ball
2) Seattle got lucky with the fumble called back on downed by contact.
3) Seattle dropped a fair amount of balls
4) Had one or more Seattle passes on the deep post right been 5 inches or so to the left, the game would have been different. Seattle had the Steelers beat on those passes, one of which could have been a TD
5) Seattle missed two field goals. Long, yes, but in a dome.

Cowher was right. Good teams overcome adversity. And usually the teams that do, win.

During their 8 game run, the Steelers beat Cincinatti. They statistically killed Indianapolis. They destroyed the Bears and their league leading defense. They beat Denver. They deserved to be there. And I am not saying at all Seattle didn't deserve it. Give Seattle some credit. Roethlisberger may have had a bad game, but I am sure part of it was the Seattle defense. As for Porter and Polamalu, the Seattle coaching staff appeared to have done their homework in designing plays to avoid them. Both of these teams got to the SB for a reason, and I doubt any of it had anything to do with the officiating.

DBDB

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. Bad Calls happen All the time. No, this is not the worst officiated

Super Bowl ever. That's how YOU feel as a Seattle fan. I'm sorry, but crap happens and then we all get over it. I say this as a Packer fan who watched her team booted out of the playoffs in 99 due to a REALLY bad call.

[Shell Beau]

34. Well that bad call earned me a hundred bucks so I am not pissed.

Why do you say he has no integrity? B/c he accepted the touchdown! Please, who wouldn't have? The ref made the call. It is not Ben's place to make the calls. And he is being honest about it. I think that takes guts. I had no vested interest in this game. I put my initials on the grid by just picking a square. It just so happens that when that touchdown was called, I won a hundred bucks. So, I am not saying this as a Steelers fan.

[hobo_baggins]

35. get over it crybaby...no quarterback would argue they didn't get that TD

Steelers were just the better team...they made some bigger plays...sure, some of the calls on both sides were questionable, but they were all so close that I could understand how the officials made those calls. Grow up.

[GalleryGod]

38. In the interest of non partisianship...

I sent a band that's tantamount.

[Crazy Dave]

36. Pro Wrestling is real too

:popcorn:

[blue sky at night]

41. Excellent point.........

thanks.

[DainBramaged]

40. Hmmmm, Warmest january on record, the poor are poorer than

ever, we have no health insurance for nearly 50,000,000, and the direction of a ball by an overpaid faux "hero" is important to discuss.

Sorry I am cynical about this, but in a couple of years, drowning polar bears and declining oil output will continue to be important. A QB who shaves his beard on TV won't.

[livetohike]

43. Haven't heard this much whining since the Steelers beat the Bengals

The Seahawks missed two field goals and were holding the Steelers all over the place during the game without getting calls.

Get over it. Let us fans have our glory for this brief moment. :toast: