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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:03 AM
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Faces of Meth
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:05 AM
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1. It's obscene what meth does to people
Or should I say, what people do to themselves by using meth.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:25 AM
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4. I think you were right the first time
Addictive drugs take control. Nobody says "I'm gonna be an addict and fuck up my life" when they take their first hit. It becomes as normal as eating or breathing.

But, hell — you know that.


Anyway, the first dude looks like a more Irish version of me on a really bad hair day. :scared:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:27 AM
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5. You stop that!
I doubt you could ever look that bad (unless you were on meth!) :spank:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:33 AM
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8. You're right
I'd never let my hair look that bad. Never.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:10 AM
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2. This is a horrible drug. It kills.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:16 AM
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3. Looks like they got ran over by a truck
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:28 AM
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6. I just don't get why someone would "try" meth.
Don't they see what happens to people? I guess they think they'll just try it once or twice and that's it. :shrug:

The woman in the second row on the far left is the most striking; I've seen her two mugshots elsewhere. :scared:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:51 AM
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11. why do peopel try cigs?
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:58 AM
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14. Former 15 year smoker. The comparison between the two is ludicrous.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:04 AM
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15. the comparison is not between the two
but people know cigs are bad for you when they try them. they do it anyway,

fyi, i am a smoker. so i am not saying smokers are bad or anything.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:07 AM
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18. Ok..I get what you mean. Sorry. I'm a little quick on the trigger tonite
When I started smoking, I really didn't even know they were bad...it was back in the late '60's.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:09 AM
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19. i started smoking at 22 (it was 1999)
i really have no fucking excuse
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:14 AM
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22. I've been quit for about 12 years and I STILL want one.
Just keep trying to quit, darl. Just keep at it. Don't beat yourself up over it. Just keep trying.

BTW, when I quit, at the age of 32, I gained 50 pounds. Yep...50. Moral of the story? Never substitute pizza for Kent Ultra-lights.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:58 PM
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68. lozenges are really good.
i mean reaaally good. it was harder for me to quit those then smoking. i'm serious. i still want one of those little tasty fuckers right now.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:14 AM
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28. Um! You Didn't Know?
The warnings went on the packages in 1964. You sure you didn't know or did you just not care? I'm not judging, mind you. But, i don't buy that people didn't know smoking was bad once the Surgeon General started putting warnings right on the package.
The Professor
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:43 AM
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36. I knew but being a young person
I had the attitude that it wouldn't addict, harm or kill me. That only happens to "other" people are thoughts when you're young. :hi:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:52 AM
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41. That Makes Perfect Sense
And i think that same thing applies to meth. People know it's dangerous but figure it won't happen to them.
The Professor
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:42 AM
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42. Um, my brother's best friend was a Phillp Morris rep. He got me
started in about 5th grade by bringing these cute little mini cigarette pkgs into the house, behind the back of my parents, of course. They were so cute and came in all different colors and held about 4 cigarettes. Easy to smuggle and so fun!
So yeah, considering I was about 12, I really had not the slightest idea what cigarettes could do to you. I wasn't sitting around the dinner table debating the surgeon general's warning with my folks.

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:47 AM
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44. Well, Then Shame On You
I assume you could read at 12? And, since it was constantly mentioned on the TV ads, i will assume you watched some TV back then, too!

I don't condemn anybody for their choices. If you chose to smoke, i've got no fight with that. But, even at 12 (we're about the same age), i think "smoking is bad" was common knowledge. The "forbidden fruit" aspect of it probably attracted lots of the kids our age, but we still knew. If you didn't, i hope you learned to pay better attention as you got older.
The Professor
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:08 PM
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50. On behalf of all smokers, thanks for the lecture. I hang my head in shame
that at 12 years of age, I didn't realize the full effects of smoking.

I did, however, learn how to capitalize properly. Go me.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:30 PM
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65. Capitalize?
You know that's an english conceit, don't you? I'm not english. Proper names are all that are capitalize in romance languages. And, if that's the best you've got, i can take it.

Since my point eluded you (apparently i was too obtuse), i do not accept that anyone under the age of 80 did not know smoking was bad. And anyone who says they did not know is either deluding themselves, abrogating their own blame, or is lying.
The Professor
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:11 PM
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63. You don't condem Beausoir for his choices, but he should feel
shame for having started smoking 40 years ago? What good is "shame on you" going to do now? From what I understand, a lot of people didn't take seriously those early Surgeon General's warnings. Why would you expect a 12-year-old to? 12-year-olds don't usually think in terms of their own mortality anyway.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:25 PM
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64. Big Picture LiW
Look at the totality of the posts. You'll get it.
The Professor
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:44 AM
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29. self-delete
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 06:46 AM by LostinVA
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:47 AM
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48. Former 25-year smoker, the comparison is valid
Nicotine is proven to be as addictive as heroin anothe horrid killer drug.
the sad thing about meth is one try can hook you for life. There is one sure way of kicking the habit..when it kills you.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:05 PM
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61. Not really... extreme maybe, but not ludicrous.
Everyone knows what cigarettes do... yet many of us smoke anyway. We defend it by pulling out the few examples of people who live long lives without succumbing to emphysema or cancer or heart disease. I'm sure there are some meth users out there who are able to somehow control their use of meth too. From the first cigarette I ever smoked, I knew it was wrong for me. Thankfully, I quit before it killed me.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:51 PM
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77. I have really thought about this today. I just can't equate the two...
cigarettes versus meth. But that's because I have no experience with meth. (Thanks to the gods.)

I do know that I was hooked on cigarettes at a very early age and I smoked, heavily, for many years before I was able to quit.

Quitting smoking was the second hardest thing I have ever attempted in my entire life.

Quitting changed my personality, plunged me into a depression, changed every aspect of my life. It was a horror that I don't ever want to revisit.

But meth....meth makes people just insane. I was a two pack a day smoker, but I would never have murdered anyone just to get another smoke. Cigarettes didn't make my hair fall out, or make my erupt in huge open sores all over.

Granted, cigs would have killed me over the long run. (They may still get me considering how long I smoked.)
But meth seems to just get ahold of people's brains and make them run crazy.

I feel very badly for people who get caught up in either addiction. It's terrible all the way around.

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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:59 AM
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81. I am not saying they are equal.
Just saying that addictions in general have parallels. Cigarettes obviously don't affect the mind the same way drugs like meth do. And the short term health affects have no comparison... nor even the long term. Just that the addiction itself is destructive and we do it anyway despite knowing the consequences.

Congratulations on quitting... it was definitely one of the best things I've done. :toast:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:54 AM
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49. I think they are just at a moment....
In their life when there is a problem and they seek relief....
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:59 PM
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58. Or at a time when they just need a quick boost.
I used to do it. I never became addicted (guess I was extremely lucky for that) but did it because of the extra boost of energy that it gave me.

I worked two, sometimes three jobs when I was in my early twenties. I was exhausted, supporting an idiot who barely worked his one job when he wasn't tripping on acid on my couch. My cousin turned me onto it-fast weight loss and lots of energy to do all the cleaning and everything else you need.

I did my last line in Aug of 1999-one month before I got pregnant. My use was sporadic at best. I needed to do spring cleaning around the house-take a hit of meth. Needed to work a double and then go to my other job-snort a hit of meth and then another at break.

It's an awful drug and, at the time, it was still pretty new in my area. I worked w/ people who cooked on the weekend for the extra income it brought in. And they advertised it to people like myself-women trying to lose the last five pounds, men and women who no longer had any energy and still had another eight hours to work, etc. We bought and sold it at work-a few dollars for a line quickly done in the bathroom or in someones car. It made everything seem so easy and it was so cheap for many in the beginning since we were all friends and the dealers gave away free samples until someone got hooked.

Thank goodness I got away from that group of people. Most are now in prison and a few are dead. My young, pretty cousin is now an addict who looks no different than the mug shots from the website above. If only we knew then what we know now. Maybe I wouldn't have had to bury a few of my friends at such young ages.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:24 PM
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67. That's so true....
About staying on the fringe of the addiction....

I have been there, not with Meth but with regular speed, up until I quit drinking about 23 years ago...

I buried a lot of my friends before I turned 30....

Most of it substance abuse related....
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:39 PM
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73. I don't know how I did not get addicted.
But I did bury a few friends and others have been put away, probably never to see the light of day again (either through long prison sentences or mental breakdowns).

Meth ruins the young, the middle class. It's a small town epidemic. And I knew people who had never tried pot who were on meth so that "gateway drug" crap is sometimes nonsense.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:13 AM
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80. Gateway drug.....
How's about beer...

That's a great gateway drug....
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:20 PM
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83. Beer is what got me started on everything else.
Had a few beers and realized nothing was going to happen then tried a joint realized that I was ok then...
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:32 AM
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7. Horrible. We've all seen what Meth does. Question I have is WHY?
Why would anyone "do" meth. It's freaking dried up Lysol and Drano and shit.

How can ANYONE get high off this shit?
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:45 AM
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9. Seems like the hair suffers the most.
Good God...the hair! :wtf:

I feel very sorry for these people. Sad eyes, both before and after.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:50 AM
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10. A few questions...
1) Are these before and after pics? If so, why do they all look miserable before they even took meth?

2) What's up with their complexions? Most of them look like they have serious acne.

3) What do they do with the stuff? Inject it? Eat it? Smoke it?
(Pardon my naivte)
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:53 AM
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12. some answers
these are mug shots--probably explains why they look so miserable

complexions are bad because, well, they probably don't live lives that allow them to place a priority on skin care. Also, meth forms crystals under your skin which is why many speed addicts pick at their face and skin

how do you do meth?

you can smoke it
you can inject it into the vein
you can "Skin pop" it and inject it just under the surface of the skin (sub-cutaneous)
you can inhale it
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:07 AM
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17. So they're probably on meth in the before pics as well...
Crystals under the skin?!? :puke:

This is the kind of thing they ought to show on TV, instead of kitschy little "just say no" commercials. Showing people what really happens to drug addicts would be a great deterrent, I would think.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:58 AM
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25. I totally agree with you
I don't know---maybe because I'm a pot (only) smoker, I find it hillarious to see the commercials where the kids are acting stupid on Pot--hon, that's not the pot that made you run over the little girl--that's being stupid.

or the one where the kids are in dad's office and find a *loaded*, *unsecured* gun in the *top desk drawer*. But we're supposed to be afraid of pot. Not of the moron that leaves a *loaded* *unsecured* gun in the *top desk drawer*

uh, okay.

I think that the "powers that be" know that, in the right circumstances, MJ can be actually beneficial. You can't patent it, so the pharm companies hate it for that reason. It makes people sit down and talk. It doesn't make you a criminal. It makes you mellow out. It allows you to think. It doesn't inebriate you like alcohol does.

I agree. Show the faces of meth on TeeVee during superbowl half time. THAT is far more of a problem than any marijuana is. Show the destruction and cleanup left by home-grown meth makers. That shit is fucking TOXIC. And people with barely an 8th grade education are cooking this shit up in the houses, apartments and *CARS*. And they dump these super toxic chemicals just any old place.

I'm a nursing student--our teacher is an ER nurse. Says that when a meth cooker (one who makes meth) comes in, EVERYONE in the ER who came into contact with that person has to be decontaminated because the fumes from that shit soak into the patient and get on everyone else around them.

We just had a meth lecture in class the other day. Amazing. Simply. Fucking. Amazing.

Yet billions of dollars are spent on useless ads about the dangers of Evil Weed, and not a fucking dime spent on a commercial about meth.

Did you know the largest growing segment of the population to become meth addicts are those under 17? And when you use that shit, it literally EATS your brain. And, after repeated use, gives you schizophrenic-like mental illness. And it's permanent. No amount of treatment or detox can 'undo" the effects of meth.

But we see some commercial about mom and dad wondering how they should answer their kid about "did you ever smoke pot?"

what a load of bullshit.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:47 AM
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30. Did you see that Frontline special about Meth
The guy who was responsible for cleaning up the quaalude problem went to congress and told them exactly what needed to be done to prevent the Meth epidemic. Unlike Heroin, Cocaine and Marijuana; you cannot produce Meth (or Quaaludes) without a factory out there somewhere producing the raw ingredients. If you put controls on the factory and limit the production of the ephedrine/psuedoephedrine then you can control the epidemics.

The pharmaceutical industries when nuts having any legislation on their product. Meth producers were forming dummy companies and buying the raw materials directly from the factories.

And yet some drug czar in a repuke administration went before some congressional hearing and said meth wasn't anything to worry about and that we need to go out there and fight the addictions to stuff like marijuana.

These people are dumbasses.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:05 PM
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70. not dumbasses. businessmen.
:)
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:10 PM
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75. I'm starting to worry about my employer...
I work for America's Largest Source of Meth Reagents.

Between the paint department, the plumbing department and the cleaning supplies aisle, you can buy everything you need to turn cold tablets into meth right at Home Depot.

A few months ago, I pointed this out to my loss prevention people and asked them if there was maybe some way the company could ask for driver's licenses when people buy things like acetone and mineral spirits. "Oh, that's a good idea, I'll ask."

She asked...only to be told that "we don't see this as a priority because we don't think we're contributing to the problem."

I hope and pray that the next time a huge meth lab is raided, there are a bunch of Home Depot acetone cans and empty Home Depot bags lying around--as an illustration that yes, this is a problem.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:56 AM
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13. I know the answer to #2.....it's graphic. Graphic.
They eat their own scabs to try and get more of the drug into their system.

A friend of mine is a jailer at our county lock-up. He said these poor folks actually suck their own sores to try and get a hit.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:07 AM
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16. And...there ya go.
Drugs is FUN, boyz an' girlz! :scared:
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:11 AM
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21. Yup. This particular Drano is an unbelievable apocalypse on society.
I've been around druggies since the early 70's.

This drug is completely different than anything I've ever seen.

These people are off their rockers and will kill you for a $5.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:21 AM
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24. I know. I've had a couple approach me on the street, asking for
"bus fare". Their faces look all torn up and bloody--truly disgusting. And you can tell that all reason is gone.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:11 AM
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20. oh. my. god.
The image that just put in my head... :puke:

I need to go look for pics of warm fuzzy things...
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:09 AM
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26. Holy crap!
I had no idea ... I thought the meth just somehow produced those sores ... didn't know they were self-inflicted. Ew ew ew ew ew!
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:03 PM
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60. They eat their own snot too.
And dandruff. Anything that they think might have meth in it.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:05 AM
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32. The facial lesions come from "tweaking"
I'm told they actually pick at their skin. That's just fucking gross. But then, meth is fucking gross.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:01 PM
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59. My cousin is an addict.
When she is coming down she sometimes thinks that there are bugs under her skin. She picks at the skin to get the bugs out.

When she is high she picks at her skin. Why? Tweakers like repetitive activities. For some reason, picking at scabs and pimples seems to occupy their time.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:19 AM
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23. Horrible drug
And still growing...
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emmajane67 Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:12 AM
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27. There is a show on here in Sunny England where they
follow three heroin users through rehab in the reality TV style.
It started last night and is actually amazingly blunt and honest. Showed them using for the last time before they went in, talked to their family members etc but then have cameras in their rooms, it's one of those inpatient, drug you up for the first few days scenarios but they were showing them puking all over themselves etc.
The people on it really wanted to get clean and are obviously happy to appear on the show to show people what herion does to you. After one show I would never ever touch that stuff, not that it was really an option before the show at all.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:54 AM
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31. I'm curious
Who still thinks it's funny that Rush Limbaugh and Noelle Bush have drug addictions? It's a sickness that doesn't discriminate against race or social class but yet so many people love to jump on the band-wagon making fun of other people that suffer through chemical dependency.

When you lose a 34 year old loved one by death due to drugs and alcohol abuse it changes your whole attitude about others.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:20 AM
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34. I support all, even the Bushies and Rush
but I hate the fact that they can get high, and still earn 100,000 bucks per year. They never spend time in jail...

I hate the drug war, not the drug, not the user.

Sorry about your loss. Peace and low stress,
mdmc
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:34 AM
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35. The only thing that I'll criticize Rush for..
...was his disdain he used to show for drug users, alcoholics and those less fortunate. For that I hope he's learned a lesson but I see it totally inhuman of people to name call and make fun of any victim of substance abuse and wish them more harm. As far as Noelle Bush, I think she's a victims even beyond the drug abuse problems as I feel many children from power and wealth hungry families are. Their parents put their careers and successes above their own families, spouses and children.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:11 AM
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38. I am so sorry for your loss
Full disclosure: I LOVE making fun of Limbaugh for any reason but his drug addiction is more about his hypocrisy than his addiction (for me anyway, obviously I don't speak for others). Politics aside, I do hope he received the help he needed.

Having said that, I agree with you. What drives me CRAZY about the drug issue is the false and dangerous assumption that race and class have anything to do with it. I guess it feels better for some to assume drug problems occur away in some dark dirty ally far away from their neighborhood...and to believe that if it is prescribed by a doctor, then it isn't an addiction. People will rationalize everything in order to feel superior to others.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:13 AM
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33. I look like I've been doing Meth any way
don't like to think what I'd look like if I got hooked on it.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:55 AM
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37. meth mouth is pretty damn bad too
I have such mixed feelings when it comes to how society is dealing (or not dealing?) with meth addiction. Ultimately I wish the crap didn't exist but having to sign a form and show id to by Sudafed bugs the living crap out of me. I don't like having to prove I'm taking a legal, over the counter allergy medicine for my allergies instead of taking it to a super secret garage lab to make meth. If I wasn't so sensitive to just about every other allergy medicine on the market, I wouldn't bother with the superficial red tape.

Part of me wonders if the infrastructure even exists to track whether someone goes around to drug stores all over town buying small amounts of Sudafed or not. If the sign-in sheets are checked, I wonder if it's daily, weekly, monthly? Checking for a pattern just once a month or longer doesn't seem very helpful given how quickly this drug seems to consume the user. I never see my info entered into a computer but I guess that doesn't mean it isn't at some point. My bet is that the system for tracking people buying too much of the stuff is slow at best and ignored at worst.

But enough about my silly Sudafed rant. I hope meth users get the help they need. I also feel for the family members of users. I can't imagine watching my own child or sibling deteriorate like that.

:scared:

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:49 AM
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40. Measures are being put into place to ensure someone isn't "smurfing"
That's the name of someone who goes from store to store buying cold meds for the purpose of making Meth. The Frontline story explained how the name came about but I forget.

But even with the laws making you sign a form you still have to put it behind the counter or the crankheads would just shoplift it
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:40 PM
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54. We have actually gotten calls from State DEA...
DH and I both have allergies, but our insurance doesn't cover the drug that is most effective in controlling them - Claratin D, because it is OTC. So we buy it at Costco, each of us buying a box whenever we go in since a box is less than a month's supply for one person. (And because they often run out.) On paper, it looks like we're buying a lot, but really we aren't.

Pseudoephedrine Sulphate (Claratin) is much harder to turn into meth than pseudoephedrine hydrochloride (Sudafed), but it's still controlled.

Fortunately, our allergies are documented so all we got was a call, but I worry about the families out there where mom, dad and both teenagers need to take something that is "controlled".
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:37 PM
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55. wild. what was that conversation like?
I now have this corny phone call dialog going through my head...

"DEA calling. Is this the Smith residence? Do you have allergies or a meth lab? Allergies? Ok, prove it. Can you sneeze for me? That doesn't sound realistic enough. Sneeze again. Ok, we're going to have to send an agent over to verify your watery eyes and runny nose. Stay where you are."

:)

Seriously though, what would a phone call accomplish? Did they just let you know they've got your family under the radar or something? How odd.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:36 PM
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57. Something like that....
It pretty much went we see a pattern of purchases of OTC drugs containing illegal drug precursors. Have you been diagnosed with any medical disorder that would explain this? Have you seen a doctor? Why are you using this instead of something prescribed by the doctor? Can we have your doctor's name?

It got pretty personal, so I asked them to send a letter on letterhead asking for the information, which they did, and which I gave to my doctor; she wrote a note and I faxed it in. Same with my husband.

It was weird and kind of spooky. Happened before they got really restrictive, too - 2002? just after Claritin went OTC. I'm waiting for them to call again since CO DEA has gotten really scary since then.



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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:43 AM
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39. I saw something like this on Rotten.com . . .
Where there was a series of 12 mugshots year-by-year over a 15 year period of this girl in NYC . . . it was harrowing to look at. She'd been put through an obvious ringer of hard drug abuse and the metamorphosis makes even these people look like their "before" pics. As mentioned above, it's the same issues with weight loss, skin tone, hair, lesions, scarring, puffiness from physical abuse, etc. The first mug shot showed her smiling and resembling a young Jackie on That 70s Show. The last photo shows her looking like a bag lady wearing a wig, much like a younger version of Lucille Ball's character on Stone Pillow.

Kids, as someone who has been friends with, and is related to, people drowning in the abyss of substance abuse, please learn from other people's mistakes and don't make them on your own. No matter how invincible you think you are, chances are you will not beat the odds and you WILL not be the success story that the addicts defending their addiction on places like the yahoo message boards paint themselves to be. Drugs are as overrated as breast implants.
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FunkyLeprechaun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:06 PM
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62. I've been looking for that..
But I hate Rotten.com (gross to look at for the pictures) but I've seen those pictures somewhere as well. I think whoever did a .gif of the pictures in a series did a good job showing how powerful drug addiction could be.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:32 PM
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72. Unfortuantely, the "Downward Spiral" photos are no longer there. . .
But there IS a whole page on the harrowing effects and ravages on methamphetamine, including a six-toothed photo of meth mouth. Utterly vomitous. Man, just gargle some Drano or Windex.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:46 PM
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74. UPDATE: Found the photos!
Life . . . is not pretty.

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FunkyLeprechaun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:43 PM
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76. I was going to say...
That I also found them. I remember someone put together a .gif of all the pictures together. Is that 1983 in the first one? She looks like she aged 40 years between 1983 and 1997.

It's the same with the meth addict photos. Some looked like they aged 10 years in a year. I just wonder what the actress who played Stephanie on Full House looked like before she kicked the habit.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:43 AM
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43. What's with all the open sores?
Never took meth, not even the legal version, so I don't know what the deal is with all the sores.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:49 AM
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45. See post #12 and then....take a deep breath and read #13
YIKES!!!

I just actually shuddered.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:51 AM
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46. My face is experiencing a "GAH!" factor of 5
Eeeewwww. Ai. Oof. Uuuhhhh. Errrrg.

Deep hurting going on here.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:28 AM
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47. You too huh?
YIKES!
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:37 PM
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53. Morphine does that to me
After major surgery last year, they gave me one of those morphine drip buttons. After about a day and a half, my skin really started crawling bad. Even though I was still in a lot of pain, I had them take it away. They gave me a shot of something else and it made the creepy crawlies go away.

And I am not even going to click that link.

The next county over, the kids are better off, so heroin is their drug of choice. There have been four people between 18 and 22 who have OD'd and died.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:23 PM
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51. White man's crack
Back in the early eighties I did my share of crystal meth. It was a different drug back then, just a real potent speed. I used to do it so I could stay up all night and work/study. My roommate at the time was a programmer, I was an auto mechanic. He got a lot of code written and I rebuilt a lot of carburetors.

But then suddenly the stuff changed; it no longer felt good, it was more like poison and instead of getting me high and making me money, it made me sick so I quit.

But looking back, that was about the same time crack cocaine was introduced to inner city blacks. I have to wonder if perhaps the change in meth wasn't a similar kind of thing with the government's goal to destroy not only poor black communities, but white ones as well.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:29 PM
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52. "crank bugs"
One cause of the sores is the result of a hallucination called "crank bugs." That is the feeling that bugs are crawling beneath the skin. The meth user scratches, often at the forearms, in an effort to get rid of them.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:00 PM
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69. n/t
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:54 PM
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56. ProActiv, anyone?
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:46 PM
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66. I'm not defending crystal methamphetamine.
But I'll hazard a guess that these faces belong to meth smokers.

I used to use meth in the late 80's, early 90's, and the people I knew who got the most fucked with the stuff were the people who started smoking it. It still did terrible things to people I loved, and I believe it was a true gateway drug to heroin. It nearly destroyed my brother with paranoid delusions, and I think he'll never truly be the same. The only reason I escaped is because I was too wise or too wussy to go beyond snorting that nasty crank up my nose.

The delivery does make a difference. I'm sure there are probably a few people here who know the difference between ol' fashioned cocaine and rock crack.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:22 PM
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71. Discovery of Meth, an introspective
"I wonder what happens when I mix all this potentially dangerous shit together and ingest it in various ways?"
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:54 PM
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78. It truly is insane. Who was the first person to think up this shit? n/t
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:56 PM
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79. We knew in the 70s.
"Speed Kills"
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:18 AM
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82. The sad part is that my face looks like that currently.
I've been having a bad acne streak the past few months.

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