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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:06 AM
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Interesting Riddle: ( I worked out the answer)
Edited on Fri Apr-14-06 03:07 AM by Random_Australian
What happens if an irresistable force meets an immovable object?

I worked it out. Have a guess. If this post gets to thirty replies I'll tell you.

(Edit: If this passes thirty in my abscence I'll still tell, and just come back and check)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:09 AM
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1. A brazillian things could happen!
Edited on Fri Apr-14-06 03:10 AM by Hissyspit
Everybody knows that!

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:10 AM
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2. Nope.It really does have an answer inherit in the definition of the
Edited on Fri Apr-14-06 03:10 AM by Random_Australian
words of the riddle.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:49 AM
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3. Several potential outcomes:




1. Something's Gotta Give.

2. Hephaestus turns Laelaps to stone. Zeus brings Laelaps' life force to the heavens where he (Laelaps) takes his place as Canis Major.

3. Given that the irresistable force has infinite energy in the form of momentum, and given that the immovable object has infinite energy to resist displacement in the form of inertia, our two opposing forces, though perhaps appearing to be at rest, would actually be engaged in an infinite energy exchange resulting in a quantum event and setting the stage for the birth of a "black hole;" assuming a consistent pattern of energy disbursement/exchange, and taken to a logical extreme, it would create a universe constantly in expansive (growth) motion, yet not actually going anywhere, since there is no "space" beyond the edge of space.

It's actually a little more complicated than that, but I digress.




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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:58 AM
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4. Your third was very close. You picked the wrong great modern theory.
Mind you, there may be a Quantum effect that'll trip me up, but to be honest I'm enjoying peoples answers.

(O.K. here's all you need to see the answer: Take infinite inertia = infinite mass, take Gen. Relativity to the extreme.)

Yes, I'm only a scientist in training (1st year university), and this was something I thought up in high school, so I could well be wrong.

I have not yet been able to discern what the distortion of time is inside the event horizon of a black hole. Could you enlighten?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:11 AM
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5. I "picked the wrong great modern theory"?



HA! Says you, n00b!!1!!1! :eyes:



"I have not yet been able to discern what the distortion of time is inside the event horizon of a black hole. Could you enlighten?"


Elementary, my dear Watson: "Spring forward, fall back." Just like here. Duh-uuh. :eyes:











:P

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:17 AM
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6. Grrrr! I'll be more specific:
Is the rate of time when distorted by gravity and absolute function? I can't find the freaking equations behind it. And they want to wait until third year to teach the good stuff. (Only for the advanced class, I hope to be doing considerably higher than that)

ie. Time runs slower when approaching a black hole, stops at the event horizon, and runs __________ inside the event horizon. I was not suggesting that in there was a different kind of time or space.

I have to garner this from out-of-date books too, a 17yo universtity student can hardly afford the damn third years textbooks (on top of his own)!

One last question: How does one open a can without a can-opener? I don't have one, and a main component of my dinner is canned.:( :(. ;)
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 05:04 AM
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9. You are making this rather difficult


...when it's really quite simple.


Time runs slower when approaching a black hole, stops at the event horizon, and runs around in circles like a bloody rotten whacker Yank inside the event horizon.



"How does one open a can without a can-opener?"

Chainsaw and/or sledgehammer. Guaranteed.



:7


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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 05:08 AM
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10. My GOD! That is awesome!
:headbang: :headbang:

Uh, you weren't calling me a Yank, were ya? 'Ave a geek at me screen-name, mate.

I opened the can. I am smart. *burp*
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 05:23 AM
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11. Nah,



...I had a Cook at your name, and I wouldn't ever call you a Yank, ye dag bastard.


:7


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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 05:34 AM
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12. Wow! I have a new respect for you, DA!
General Relativity AND strine!

Mind you, I took a butchers at your profile, and you've no country!

Bastard? That's me! A bastard from the Bush. (Except not anywhere as tough as the original Bastard)

Are you an Aussie mate? There was I thinking I was all alone like a country dunny, and stone the crows, you appear! Mind you to the Yanks we must sound like were barmy as bandicoots, mate.

Report to the morning crew thread!
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 10:10 AM
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16. An Aussie, mate?




Why you little ripper, I wish! I'll give you the drum: I am, sadly, quite a bit back of Bourke... just a bloody galah seppo sheila. But I used to date a dux Aussie bloke. A brumby though, he was, and he's been walkabout for years now. But I guess some of his strine rubbed off on me.

So whereabouts in Oz are you from?

Well then, I'm off to brekkie, mate. Have a bonzer day!

:7


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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:19 AM
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7. Really great sex?
:shrug:




I don't care if it's wrong. It's still a better answer than the real one.

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:44 AM
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8. That is an AWESOME answer. Too right it is better than the
real one.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 05:43 AM
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13. The sound of one hand clapping
i.e. nothing

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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 05:44 AM
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14. We have a winner!
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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 09:56 AM
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15. Actually I don't like the "nothing" answer
Since it implies the immovable object "wins". Logically however it should be a stalemate.

A more symmetrical answer is (I thought this up in I think 5th grade), the immovable object moves, and the irresistable force is resisted.

:P



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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 10:14 AM
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17. Monica Bellucci strokes my statue of her?
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 10:14 AM
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18. I'd say both are impossible or their meeting is a misnomer for them being
the same object. Immovability implies infinite mass, which would reduce the universe to one singular object. Infinite force is redundent with mass. If they were possible or existed then the riddle is redundent, and their meeting would take the form of "self-analysis" or could not occur. A total object suffocates the universe and every other possibile object along with it. Thus it would meet nothing because it is a unified homogenous everything. Nothing moves, because infinite force would be inseperable, unmovable. The universe would be a mass devoid of movement.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 10:16 AM
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19. self delete.
saw the nothing answer.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:44 PM
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20. Come on, then. Tell us your theory!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 09:50 PM
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21. It could never happen. Both are impossibilities.
Both imply infinite energy, and the universe does not have infinite energy; and even if it did, one still could not get two things using infinite energy.

But, just for shits and giggles, let's assume it CAN happen - then what will happen is that the infinite energy will beaet up against the infinite mass creating an infinite amount of heat, destroying all matter in the entire universe, collapsing all energy into a singularity which then collapses.
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