That band you like is shit and liking them makes you inferior.

[asthmaticeog]

:boring:

[billyskank]

1. I couldn't agree more

:thumbsup:

[underpants]

2. I'm not "in ferior"

I'm in Virginia

[asthmaticeog]

4. My condolences.

:P

[progmom]

3. it's easy to get caught up in

...but you're right. :hi:

[City Lights]

5. Thanks for saying it!

:thumbsup:

[Deep13]

6. Are you nuts!?

Maybe not everyone can appreciate the subtleties of my band and maybe some are offended by the change in direction since its last CD. I think if you ignore their eccentric lifestyles and focus on the product, you will see that the band I like does indeed rock while yours sounds like a chorus of strangled cats. After all, their record of drug use, violence, venereal disease, burglary and corpse mutilation has no bearing on their music. Anyone who likes your band is obviously either tone deaf or comes from a long line of inbred neanderthals.
:popcorn:

[jpgray]

7. Is this really the place to discuss your enjoyment of Tool?

:P

[asthmaticeog]

8. I'm enjoying some Tool right now.

*sluuuuuurp*

[DS1]

10. meh

I'm going outside, to stare my maker in the eyes, and demand my wings :D

[jpgray]

11. I'll give you this

Perfect Circle was much worse.

[RandomKoolzip]

9. The first part, yes. The second part, no.

Just to step out of sarcasm mode for a minute, it sucks that I constantly have to explain to people I know that just because I say that artist X sucks, that doesn't mean that I think you are inferior for liking artist X. Why they jump to this conclusion consistently I will never know.

[jpgray]

13. Because they feel inferior when someone questions their taste

Therefore they assume that's your intent. When -you- question -my- taste, for example, I'm all "fuckin deadhead was baptised in bongwater 'n' shit." That's healthy.

:patriot:

[RandomKoolzip]

14. Well, if their taste is shite, they ought to be called on it.

Which is not the same as calling someone on being a bad person. But in your case, I'll make an exception and kill two birds with one stone.

[jpgray]

15. Yeah, well the early bird is worth two in the peartree.

Eat it.

[RandomKoolzip]

18. I shoulda know you were a Humble Pie fan.

They sucked mightily, and therefore you are a monster, unworthy of love or even diffident affection, the likes of which are given freely to the enfeebled, homeless and hideously disfigured. You are the Tenth Sign of the Black Zodiac, the Wounded Lover, except that you are neither loved nor wounded - you are just unpleasant.

[jpgray]

22. I can do better, check this out:

I love this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfJMhxHUGsQ&search=golf%20girl%20BBC

[RandomKoolzip]

26. That's great, but THIS is the best thing I've ever seen on youtube.com:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7MmJS3-WQ&search=weird%20music

The song itself is actually brilliant.

[jpgray]

37. Sell-outs. The lead singer is showing too much neck.

Still that's pretty awesome. I'll raise you a less-hairy Rita Lee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2EKghlmIyQ&search=os%20mutantes

[RandomKoolzip]

40. I'll see your mutants and raise you a beefheart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aPc0qqzHYY&search=beefheart

From 1966, performing "Who Do you Thinmk You're Foolin'." Zowie!

[jpgray]

43. Sweet

This is probably my fave Fall performance on youtube (it doesn't sync properly for me, however). And that's a -fine- outfit Brix is wearing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSeSmOxASc&search=fall%20bombast

[RandomKoolzip]

49. Not as fine as the outfit Ms. Channing sports in this 12-second clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tDgwgdXaM&search=raspberries

It's music....to my ears, anyways.

[eyepaddle]

53. Wow, that was awesome!

But was that the flattest and hairiest-chested feamle singer, or was that dude an alto?

Do you know who that band actually is?

[RandomKoolzip]

54. It was a guy, and I have NO idea who the band is.

ALl I know is that they're Brazilian (ahem!) and that the clip was filmed/taped in 1973, right around the time KISS was becoming a regional sensation - so it's doubtful that these guys would have known about KISS's makeup. That, of course, makes it all the stranger.

Plus, the tune is incredible; like a very odd, tropical version of Yes's "Your Move."

When I found this clip, I nearly jumped out of my chair.

[asthmaticeog]

23. I know - that's why I posted this.

Trying to deflate that shit some.

[Orangepeel]

12. And that TV show you like? Is even shittier and makes you more inferior nt

[ProfessorGAC]

16. So?

I knew that. And I like it that way! :evilgrin:
The Professor

[Frank Cannon]

17. I tend to ignore ANY Band X is great / Band Y sux threads

It just never fails to amaze me how people here, who are supposed to be so "progressive" and "open-minded", have NO freaking clue that taste in music is 100% subjective and is in no way objectively debatable. And yet you'll see these dumb threads ("U2 is the best band ever!", "U2 is totally lame!!") that have more than a hundred posts.

You know, if people devoted the same energy to debate whether Brussels sprouts are tasty and/or good for you, maybe there'd be better nutrition among the posters in this forum.

I know you all have bands/performers that you love, and regardless of how I feel about them, I'm sincerely glad that you love them. I have bands/performers that I love, and you probably don't like a lot of them. But that's life.

[jpgray]

19. Naw, I disagree that it's 100% subjective

There's no way to argue, for example, that Britney Spears's oeuvre is as diverse as, say, the Beatles'. The case just can't be made. Conversely, there's no way to argue that a composition by Connor Oberst shows the same contrapuntal inventiveness as a composition by Bach. These are outlandish examples between artists no one would really compare, but this is just to say one can make some more or less objective comparisons. As for "better" or "worse," most music hipsters would assign more value to say Bob Dylan than to Starland Vocal Band. Doesn't mean you have to think that way, but a majority of opinion amongst hipsters normally has some value when I look for new music, whereas if things were 100% subjective it would have zero value whatsoever.

[Frank Cannon]

42. But then, Britney Spears fans LOVE Britney's music

You and I may look askance at it, but she gives her fans exactly what they want. She meets their demands completely.

Who are we, really, to look down on them for that?

I find much of Bach totally boring, despite his "contrapuntal inventiveness". But I do see how people who specifically look for and appreciate contrapuntal inventiveness in their music would like Bach. I do not begrudge them that. I think that's great.

I'm just saying that it's pointless to say that someone else's favorite musical act is bad or that one's own favorite musical act is superior. It really all amounts to a bunch of pointless navel gazing.

[asthmaticeog]

44. Don't you EVER fucking call navel-gazing pointless!

:grr:

[Frank Cannon]

67. I'm sorry, asthmaticeog. Forgive me.

Just as I never berate Britney Spears fans for their musical tastes, I should also never slam those who derive enjoyment from staring at their belly buttons. That was insensitive and inappropriate of me, and I apologize.

[jpgray]

47. That's still bullshit

If I didn't listen to people who said "that's bad" and "that's good," I'd have to wade through reams and reams of dreck to get to the music I enjoy. Whereas using the opinions of people I trust, I'll generally but not always get into something interesting--and while it's not the last word if everyone whose opinion I respect says something is awful, it tends to be correct enough of the time to be useful. But this isn't simply true of music--nobody would wade through all online poetry zines to find good verse today, one would head to a nice review that has high literary and artistic standards. Those standards won't always be right (cf. Billy Collins) but they tend to keep out people with terrible skill and zero talent. It's never the last word, but there does tend to be a consensus on quality, and if it's overwhelming it's usually right.

[hfojvt]

56. there is also a consensus on popularity

does that mean if IT is overwhelming, it is usually wrong? What if the consensus is created through a process of education/propaganda? That is, those who disagree with the conventional wisdom are either hounded out of the group, summarily banished and scoffed at, or otherwise made to conform to the CW.
To return to your Spears vs. Beatles example, yes, you can objectively say that one group is more diverse than the other, but you cannot objectively define diverse as an over-riding value. The same with contrapuntal inventiveness. You are just finding reviewers who agree with your tastes. It does not mean you and the reviewers are objectively right.

[Frank Cannon]

65. THANK you, hvojvt. Exactly.

You said it better than I every could have.

I have found that if I want to find a new album by some new musical act I've never heard of, it helps me ENORMOUSLY if someone knows the acts I do like and then suggests new ones based on those tastes. Just because a bunch of high-paid media critics like Band X doesn't mean I will like them. In fact, 99% of the time I've found that I don't.

[asthmaticeog]

68. No-one's saying anything about being "objectively right."

What's being said is that taste is NOT 100% subjective. That leaves a lot of grey-space, and your false binary did nothing to even address the discussion.

And comparing friends sharing a common taste in music to a propagandic enculturation scheme where outsiders and dissidents are scorned or banished is just ridiculous.

[eyepaddle]

20. Well, if your name is asthmaticeog it does

;)

[anarch]

21. Damn straight.

Of course, I'm assuming you're talking about someone else, who likes some shitty band and is therefore a dumbass.

[Magrittes Pipe]

24. You like the Pain Teens.

:rofl:

[Magrittes Pipe]

25. You probably like Flipper, too.

[Magrittes Pipe]

27. And Type O Negative.

[Magrittes Pipe]

28. And Bright Eyes.

:wtf:

[RandomKoolzip]

32. Anyone who likes Bright Eyes needs kicking.

In the nards.

[asthmaticeog]

38. Yes. Immolation is too good for Connor Oberst. nt

[ghostsofgiants]

58. *dons athletic cup*

Bring it on.

[RandomKoolzip]

59. If Daniel Johnston lost all his talent and had sex with Leonard Cohen...

The sullen baby that would pop out 9 months later would be called Conor Oberst.

I knew guys like this in high school: schmucks who'd put on the "I'm so terribly terribly sensitive I may implode at any minute...as long as there's a girl watching me" act to get chicks, and fucking gullible chicks would fall for it. It's just sad to see dudes fall for it, too. What, was Robert Smith just not dorky enough for you?

[dolo amber]

29. I like Type O Negative

:cry:

[Magrittes Pipe]

31. You also like Oasis, Radiohead, and me.

Your taste is clearly teh sux0r. :eyes:

[dolo amber]

33. At least I don't like Dylan

:P

[RandomKoolzip]

36. No, but according to your sig line, you like conservative columnist

Thomas Sowell. :wtf:

[dolo amber]

39. It's irony, dear

:eyes:

;)

[RandomKoolzip]

41. So do you "ironically" like techno, too?

It sure would explain some things. :evilgrin:

[asthmaticeog]

34. Uh huh.

I could compile a pretty long list of bands you adore that I can neither find much merit in nor distinguish from one another.

Oh, which actually reminds me - did I give you back that Ego Summit disc before you moved? That's been buggin' me. It may actually bug me more if I *did* give it back, because I never duped it...

[Magrittes Pipe]

35. Yeah, you gave it back.

Talk about a shitty band. x(

[ScreamingMeemie]

30. Aqua rocks.

:thumbsup:

[Mutley]

45. I'm so sorry!

:cry:





:D

[Dora]

46. JP? Is that you?

[Heidi]

48. Prolly. (nt)

[warrens]

50. On the contrary

The band I like is made up of stellar musicians who have amassed a groundbreaking body of work unrivalled in the world of modern music. The band you like, on the other hand, is made up of the worst sort of mainstream musical hacks who have blighted the name of modern music with their dull, insipid and completely derivative so-called "art." Their preciousness and well-documented bad behavior are particularly irritating, as is their proclivity for aligning themselves with their betters, hoping for reflected glory. In addition, their name is both inane and an embarassment to its source.

[billyskank]

51. And they smell bad

:rofl:

[johnnie]

52. I kind of said this yesterday

But talking about entertainment as a whole. I cared yesterday, but today I stopped caring about it. It isn't so much that people say they think bands suck, it's when they actually say something like "what moronic idiot would be stupid enough to like that?"

As I said, I don't care about it as much as I did yesterday. x(

[ghostsofgiants]

55. But the fact that I want to punch their bassist makes up for it.

[asthmaticeog]

60. Punching a bassist?

Why not just kick a 5-year-old girl in a back brace while you're at it? Bass players are among the most vulnerable, defenseless and useless of God's creatures, you should have more compassion.

[ghostsofgiants]

61. I'm a bassist myself, so it'd be fair.

[asthmaticeog]

62. I'm sorry.

Maybe you'll learn real guitar someday. :evilgrin:

I kid, I kid...

[ghostsofgiants]

64. Pssshhh, that require effort. Fuck effort.

[no name no slogan]

63. Just remember, if somebody mentions "barrell duty"

get the hell out of the room as soon as you possibly can.

[gollygee]

57. I already knew that

I stopped being cool a decade or so ago. If I ever was cool.

:)

[tjwash]

66. Here you go...