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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:29 AM
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Random Thoughts from a Painter in the Middle of the Night
I'm listening to Ravi Shankar play the sitar on my iMac as I type this. I'm relaxing after a long day's work on my art. Things have been good for me and my art this past year, strangely so. I thought at one point, "It must be the end of the world, my paintings have begun to sell!"

Beginnings and Endings are such 'edgy' things; what about transformation? As a painter I watch how paintings begin and end and I see it isn't so simple, isn't as obvious as one might think. At least it isn't for me. I guess I shouldn't speak for all people who paint as an art. Painting is like "music" -- there are a lot of different kinds. I'm in the tradition of what is called "abstract" painting, but I don't like the word very much and never have. The problem with it is when people read it they get the idea that "abstract" painting is fundamentally different from "realistic" or "representational" painting. I argue that this is not the case in an essay HERE.

Painting is a language. It is not "like" a language, it actually is one, a visual one, just as Music is a language of sound. The language of music speaks to our innate sense of rhythm and harmonic proportion. It speaks to our feeling as well as our intellect. It is a communication between the musical performer and his audience.

Painting is sort of like that, too, but it is also quite different. Making a painting is something like performing a jazz solo. It's not an exact analogy but it will do. Thing is, in most instances, the act of painting is done in solitude. What people see when they look at a painting is a culmination of all the things the painter did and all the decisions the painter made along the way.

This is one of my paintings:



It is five feet square, painted with oil paint on aluminum. There is no frame. The aluminum is supported by 2" aluminum square tubing on the back, so the image appears to 'float' off the wall. There is no colored paint in it, it is solid black. What color you see is a result of the light in the room reflecting off its surface. There is some blue from a large skylight and there is a yellowish light coming from halogen track lights. The black paint has been textured with a brush so that it reflects light, somewhat like a black vinyl record, only warped. This particular piece has a slightly sinister quality and is subsequently called "Probosis."

I've been painting off and on all my life; well, at least since I was about 8 years old. I haven't gotten a lot of 'recognition' for it -- some, but not a lot. Two of my paintings were included in a group show of Oakland artists in the Oakland Museum in 1990. I was one of two painters in this exhibition that no one had ever heard of before. I don't know what happened to the other one but, despite my best efforts at the time, I continued to be 'unheard of' in the gallery scene.

At one point I got so fed up with the whole ordeal of trying to get my work represented by a gallery, I just gave up and stopped painting. Still, I always kept my art supplies around me and continued to live in an artists loft. Eventually, after a lot of personal loss (father passed, lover passed, mother passed, best friend passed, another lover passed), somehow I began to pick it up again. I would say it has taken me about 10 years to get back to where I was when I quit. Strangely, the difference is, people are beginning to pay more attention to my work. I've sold more paintings this past year than ever before in my life. I'm still 'under represented' but at least I'm not UNrepresented. Still, I support my art, it doesn't support me. I work two part time jobs to support my art habit: I manage a small, family owned retail business three days a week and I manage the artists' loft building in which I live the other four. This gives me most of my rent, which, in the San Francisco bay area, ain't cheep. Art supplies are expensive but the most expensive things a painter has to buy are TIME and SPACE. The space part I got covered, it is the time that is hardest to get. Ideally a painter would be able to develop his art for days and days on end with little to no interruption from the outside world so he could master this mysterious substance.

Here's another painting:



This one is oil on wood, 20" high by 60" long, framed in a wood 'floater' frame (there is quarter inch space between the edge of the painting and the inside edge of the frame). It is titled "Dying Sun." It sold a couple months ago but I don't know who bought it. That's another weird thing about being a painter. Something you spent a lot of time looking at and thinking about, modifying, one thing and another, sometimes working on off and on for years, goes off to a gallery and then it sells and, chances are, you never see it again -- except, perhaps, as a 'picture'. The picture isn't the painting.

To give you an better idea what I mean by that, here is a close to life size detail of "Dying Sun":



Gives you a better idea of the texture and subtlety of collor.

Well, I'm sure I've bored you all with my ramblings. Thre's no point to any of this except to share a little bit about myself. It's not that I think I'm all that 'great' or anything, just thought someone might find it 'interesting' or 'entertaining' in some way.

Thanks for reading!

BMU

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:51 AM
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1. thanks for your post, my old man is an artist, when i read what you...
mentioned about time & space i thought of an interview he did once,

AA: Do you require attention, ‘j’?

GZD: Nope. All I require is paint, panels, time, space, a patron or two, access to The Goddess/my muse, beer, gas, auto insurance, chili rellenos, you know…the basics.

:thumbsup: :hi:
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:00 AM
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3. bridigit, I love Mr. bridgit's analysis!
:hug:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:07 AM
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4. HEIDI!!
:hug: :loveya: i was going to tell you that by my time you still have a little less than 1 hr to say Happy B-day to me...but then i just remembered that i STILL need to get your packet off TO YOU x(

at this rate i'll be wishing you happy b-day until we're two gummy old broads in rocking chairs = here's one for the one i currently/still owe you

:party:
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:12 AM
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6. Happy birthday, dah-ling!!!!
And guess what? Today (Sunday) is Call Me Wesley's 40th! :party:

:loveya: warrior woman!!!!! :*SMOOCH:*
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:16 AM
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7. thanks sweetness, so CMW is a taurus as well...
tell him i'm a '3', and an '8'

:loveya: :loveya: :party: :bounce:
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:20 AM
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9. I will tell him!
Are you going to bed now? I'm uploading photos of my new (nearly-finished) studio as I type this! :bounce:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:22 AM
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10. seen that mention below, and yup though i'll stay up a bit for you, hon...
;-)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:40 AM
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11. Happy belated Birthday, looks like. . .
I went to bed not long after posting this. Just couldn't keep my eyes open any more. Everything your father said are 'basics' are on my list as well, except for the beer. Not to worry, I have my own preference in that regard! :hippie:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:48 AM
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14. thank you friend, i nodded off shortly after Heidi & i kept kicking...
your thread by way of 'art talk' (which i thank you for bring in the lounge, there's times when there's simply not enough of it), which i repeat here...thanks for posting your stuff

:hi: :hippie: :donut:
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:00 AM
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2. Thank you!
I loved your random thoughts in the middle of the night and I love your work. :hug: Congratulations on a good year, BMU. :thumbsup:

Do you use a primer of some sort to treat the aluminum before you paint on it with oils?

(Also, I sympathize with the studio space dilemma. After pricing studio space for me, we decided to build a studio as an annex to our home. I just shot some photos and will post them in a bit. :) )
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:45 AM
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12. Heidi,
Thanks for the complement and hugs, greatly appreciated. :)

Yes I prime the aluminum with a 'Bullseye' product, usually two or three coats, sanded in between.

Looking forward to seeing some pictures of your studio. I live in a loft and also share a painting space in another loft right next door. I mostly paint over there because I don't like having to breath the paint fumes 24/7. I like to paint large and sometimes I get it all over the place and have smelly rags and stuff. Mostly I use my living space as a show room. BUT, sometimes I have to work in this space, too, as it has the largest unobstructed wall.

Anyway, where are the pix?

Thanks again.

BMU
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:11 AM
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5. Nice work. n/t
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:16 AM
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8. Beautiful!
Thanks for sharing some of your talent...it's inspiring :hi;
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:47 AM
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13. Thanks Whoa_Nelly!
Inspiring others is the highest compliment! :hi:
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:57 AM
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15. Wow, dude.
That first one is really neat, and the second, the first glance I gave it, made me think "sunset on the water" :) Do you have your work represented online someplace so that we can look at more of it?

Personally, I've become much more interested in "abstract" art during the past year, and I find your take on it to be fascinating!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:34 PM
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17. Thanks, LynzM! Yes, I have a web site: www.rawpaint.com
Thanks for asking. The poor web site is totally neglected. I originally set it up in 2000 (and it had another incarnation before that dating back to '96). Then a year or so ago, I decided to re-design it then I got distracted with politics, work, one thing and another, and never got back to the re-do. If you go into the 'Portfolio' section you can see work that dates back 20 years. As you'll see, I have several different 'styles' from very controlled to very loose to something in between. There is also a LOT of work that is NOT on the site, both older and newer. There are also some things I've written that aren't currently linked from the home page:
http://www.rawpaint.com/artstatements

Thanks again,

BMU
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:51 AM
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16. As one artist to another, thank you.
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 11:56 AM by oxbow
I do more what they call "digital painting" than the traditonal kind, but I can relate to alot of what you said. Art is definitely something both less and more than a career. It's a passion, and it's not easy to pursue. I am teaching right now as well as selling some artwork off the internet to make ends meet.

Inspired by this great little post, I might even have to write something about my own work later! Till then, here's some of my work for your enjoyment:

http://miladmeamarian.blogspot.com/

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:40 PM
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18. Thanks, oxbo. I like your work!
I'm particularly struck by "Geomancy" and "Atomic Rhythm." The line quality, movement and form in "Stripped" is excelnt. Very strong work! I'd be curious to know more about how you sell work on-line (marketing) and also how you out-put the digital work.

Thanks for showing me your art! :thumbsup:

:hi:
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 03:31 PM
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19. Mostly I just sell through word of mouth
I haven't tried any marketing yet. I sell on ebay sometimes, but that's about it. I put a link in my emails and if people like the work, they ask for prints.

I'm just out of college, and fixing things up in my private life right now, and honestly haven't done much to sell my work yet. I'm not making as much money as I could, but I plan to get more actively involved in that aspect of it soon.

As for printing, I have a deal worked out with some professional printers around here. I usually print poster size and use special paper for most of them, to give it a shiny or even reflective surface. I am also considering printing some off as giclees soon.

If I applied some common and business sense to it, I'm sure I could be making some more money. A real website, for instance, would do me a world of good. Like I said though, I've been putting myself together first before conquering the art world :)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:43 PM
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22. Well, from the looks of things, you're going to do quite well for
yourself when you do start marketing.

I don't know anything about print making or digital out put, which is why I asked. If you have any pointers, or suggestions, I'd be all ears. I know what a giclee is but they seem so expensive to produce :( Maybe someday I'll be able to afford a good, big, printer to make them myself but, then, that is a whole other thing to 'learn how to do'. At my age, I'm tired of learning stuff, if you know what I mean.

Best,

BMU
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:22 AM
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24. Honestly, there's so much about digital stuff that I wouldn't know
where to start. From the programs you use onwards, there's a whole world of possibilities and techniques. As far as printing, I've worked out some deals with people from my student days. It's all in who you know if yu wanna get a deal on output. Either that or you buy your own large scale printer...

If you're interested in printmaking or digi-art, you should consider taking a course at the community college or community center...or joining your local city's art club (that's how I learned how to do Batique, which I love now!).

Online sites like www.cgsociety.org have some online tutorials that can be helpful. In the end though, there's no substitue for working in the real world with real people, even if you are making digital work!
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:34 PM
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20. I sold my first painting last week
I've been painting for about 27 years but I've been overly critical of my own work and talent and pretty much kept my work to myself and to my family. Just now at 42 am I starting to feel comfortable with my artistic talent. I'm going to try to start showing my work to the general public this year, by I'm terrified (artistic stage fright if you will). Thanks for sharing your thoughts on art and painting. It's nice to know you're out there.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:36 PM
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21. Congratulations, martymar64!
Painting is a wonderful thing but, in my opinion, the 'art world' that has established itself around art, art marketing, art education, art representation, art curating and so on is totally messed up.

One of the things that has helped me, locally, to establish myself in the public's eye is an artist's run organization called
PRO-ARTS. They've been around for 30 years and I was there at the beginning. Every year they put together East Bay Open Studios which involves about 300 local artists. I've been participating for years. Sometimes it is fun, sometimes boring, sometimes weird, but it is always interesting and I always sell a few paintings.

But, get this, although I've been a member for I don't know how long, although my work has been shown in the Oakland Museum (which prides itself on being the museum of 'California Art'), although I've shown in the rental gallery of the San Francisco Museum of Modern art, although I've shown at some other respectable galleries and venues, so on and so forth, I have NEVER been SELECTED to be INCLUDED in the Pro-Arts Jurried Annual group show! NEVER, not once, ever!! Why this matters to me I do not know (compared to some of the other recognition I've gotten, getting into the 'annual' isn't that big a deal, believe me) but it just weirds me out.

A N N Y W A Y. . .for whatever it is worth, I understand the whole 'being overly critical of my own work and talent' shtick. Often we are our own worst enemy. Some people have a talent for getting into the 'art scene' and/or for marketing their work. I do 'ok' at it but it isn't 'my thing'. In fact, if I could just be left alone to paint and never had to even think about any of the rest of it, that would be just fine w/ me. Finding a gallery that will represent your work can be very difficult and very humiliating. Last year I got a rejection letter that was SO SNARKEY I posted it on my studio walls for Open Studios visitors to see. I wanted people to see how snotty galleries can be to artists, what we have to put up with. I also wrote the gallery owner a very strongly worded response, telling them that I intended to make their letter to me public. It would be one thing to just say, "sorry, we're not interested in your work," -- no problem with that -- but to actually INSULT me, which they did, was just unnecessary, IMO.

Congratulations again on your sale. Don't be afraid to get your work out there. Ultimately it doesn't matter what other people think or say about your work, what matters is how you feel about it. Some of the first paintings I ever sold were ones I was going to throw away! That showed me right there that it wasn't about what 'I thought' at all. Besides, if you go to galleries and check out what is showing and selling, that right there tells you probably more than you want to know.

Do you have any work to see on line?

Best,

BMU
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:16 AM
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23. Yea, that's definitely a big deal!
I sold my first just 6 months or so ago, so I should know! Here's hoping that the gates are wide open from now on!

And I will also join Beam Me Up in asking you to post some work for us to see...
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