Irrefutable argument enders that drive your opponent nuts

[JVS]

Ok, I've got two doozies that I'd like rated.

The first one was a creation of my father's that I picked up. This tactic was to issue a final reply in an argument of "You always have to get the last word." and then end the conversation.

This was brilliantly vexing because if you responded, you proved him right, but at the same time there was a maddening air of hypocrisy in his getting the last word by claiming that the other person always needed it. What could you do? Either you prove him right or you let him have the rich goodness of the last word. Then you reflect on how much you wanted that last word and start thinking "gee, maybe I do always have to get the last word" Oh, it was the stuff of insanity, I tell you ;-)

The other one, I learned from my buddy Rick. As a philosophy major Rick probably knew what constituted a good argument and what constituted a bad argument. But when things came to an impasse, his parting shot would be "If that's what you need to believe"

I suppose one could say something about agreeing to disagree, but it seemed that Rick was poisoning the well with this. It's just a shrug and horribly annoying. I told dad about it once and he thought it was brilliant.

So any of you guys have some good tips?

[Robeson]

1. I like this one: "Obviously, you're not educated enough on this topic....

...to be able to intelligently discuss it with me"....

[Lilith Velkor]

15. The same goes for you.

:hi:

[Robeson]

22. Wow, I did get under your skin, didn't I?.....

...Thank you for making me feel good tonight. You couldn't have made me happier!

You hold a grudge for a long time. Thanks for the compliment. Lets me know I must be doing something right!...:thumbsup: :-)

[Lilith Velkor]

33. Same goes for you.

[Robeson]

35. You're a jewel!....

...:loveya:

[Lilith Velkor]

36. I do my best.

I'm glad you get such pleasure from annoying people.

I admit it, I've never seen anyone take so much pride in not having the wit to carry on a conversation. This is interesting.

[ZombieNixon]

2. "If that's what you need to believe."

Followed by "I don't need this shit. Good luck with him. Don't expect me to be your rebound lay again. Good night."

Last words to the psycho-bitch. Did it work well? I don't know, but it ended the discussion pretty quickly. :shrug:

[NuttyFluffers]

3. "it does not need your belief to be true"

i usually use this one when people do the childish "Nuh-uh!" response whenever you cite a fact. i have cited chapter and verse of several highly respected sources only to be countered by an infuriating "i don't believe that's correct..." as the sole counter argument. from this false premise many a futile and exasperating argument has been had by me and my dad in particular.

basically it's an attempt to derail an argument by casting doubt on all your facts by plain ol' negation. it is so aggravating because basically it speaks that the other person has such a closed mind, even if i'm showing them the damnable source before their very face, that they are incapable of letting new data in that contradicts their view. from such a flawed foundation you can get nowhere because the person is always leaving a mental out because he places himself in the seat arbiting what is truth and what is not. never let someone occupy this ficticious seat.

with such stubborness i just infuse the fact that they are inherently subjective and finite beings into the picture, which destroys the self-importance of their own opinion. it eliminates their seat of final arbiter of truth, relegating them back onto their own merits of fact and argumentation. basically it negates the false argument "I am truth," and places it back to the proper place of "Truth is..."

[KitchenWitch]

4. I am sorry, you seem to have wandered into a battle of wits unarmed

[Nicole]

7. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent

That's always been a favorite of mine.

[Jazz2006]

5. I'd probably say...

if that's what you "need to believe" in order to "have the last word", well, knock yourself out.

Complete with inverted commas (in response to the OP)


:rofl:

[Random_Australian]

6. Other: Don't be a bastard. Just argue validly, point out your own grounds,

point out where you believe they are wrong, and focus a bit less on the winning is everything stuff. Sheesh!

[ghostsofgiants]

16. Maturity in an argument?

Is that even legal?

[Random_Australian]

28. yes.

[JVS]

19. That's not what this is about. These arguments are about issues like...

"X is a good tv show" or Person A is mad at person B for doing something and person B doesn't think that they were wrong.
Matters of taste and opinion where facts don't play a role.

[Random_Australian]

27. TV? You mean the idiot box?For the interpersonal stuff, I suggest using

empathetic analagy.

If, you mean, someone is bieng completely irrational, catch them in their own shit, then walk off.

[Oeditpus Rex]

8. My favorite is

"You want me to call 911?"

:evilgrin:

[sarge43]

9. That statement proves

there's no such thing as unutterable nonsense.

[Magrittes Pipe]

10. And furthermore, when did you stop fucking puppies?

[ghostsofgiants]

17. Winner.

[Broken_Hero]

25. Winner indeed!...n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

32. Yup, that's a winner. nt

[Dolomite]

11. Oh yes: "If that's what you need..." followed by

"and over something hardly worth arguing about." Then I turn around and roll my eyes.

Boo-yah tactic!

[radwriter0555]

12. "I'm sure your parents raised you to the very best of their abilities..."

is a bitchy, nasty insult. I use it on freepers.

[AngryAmish]

13. Your mother....

[davsand]

14. I have a couple that work for me:

One is the basic "I refuse to argue with you--I respect you too much to continue this." That one seems to defuse it without admitting either a win or a loss in the debate.

The other is more straightforward, "Your WHAT hurts??? You have a sore on your WHAT?" Used in a very loud tone in a public place it really tends to shut stuff down pretty fast...

:evilgrin:



Laura

[laheina]

24. That second one is funny as hell!

I'm gonna have to use that sometime.

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. "Yep, you're right and I'm wrong..." always a winner in the Grumpy

house. :thumbsup:

[Mz Pip]

20. Whatever...

My son would say that to me when he was a teenager and it would drive me nuts. IT is a very effective dialogue stopper.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[henslee]

21. Here's a quarter. Go play the jukebox and quit busting my balls.

[Extend a Hand]

23. Bless your heart

You try sooo hard! (shaking head with a tsk, tsk, tsk)

[In_The_Wind]

26. Oh my.

I so love those Southern phrases that work so well to cut someone off at the knees.

[mykpart]

29. Why "If that's what you need to believe" is perfect:

It's not hostile, and it expresses the fact that the argument in question can't be proven or disproven.
It is mildly condescending, yet if confronted, the speaker can deny the condescension. ("No, I'm just acknowedging your right to your opinion.") Speaker can deny insulting other person while actually insulting them.

If I want to be insulting, I could say, "I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my ass!"

[JVS]

34. If thats what you need to believe is hostile

It might not be as crude as head up ass, but it is basically an attack on your ability to reason, it's just a more passive agressive attack

[bridgit]

30. other = thank you for making my point...

x(

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

31. A couple...

From my HS English AP teacher: "I'm surprised your siblings haven't destroyed you by now."

From my uncle: "Here's five bucks. Go play on the middle of Tonelle Avenue."

From politrix: "LALALALA!!! I can't hear you! You're following a religion of blood!"

From me: "Let's just face it. You're only happy when you get the last word. I'm only happy when I get the last word. So how about you shut up and I can go be happy now?" Another variation is..."I won't admit I'm wrong and you won't admit you're wrong, so just say that I'm right."

I generally use mine involving my mother.

[swimboy]

37. Your "opinions" are STICKILY LIES!

I don't know, I heard it somewhere and thought it was real effective. :eyes:

[RedCloud]

38. What about simple gas warfare?

Just cut one and leave 'em gasping for breath...