Who Is MORE Evil....Bush or Hitler???

[Proud_Democratt]

State your reason.

[Proud_Democratt]

1. Bush's evil has not been..

fully disclosed yet.

[ghostsofgiants]

2. Okay, let me say this right now...

Whoever voted Bush in this is a moron.

[JohnKleeb]

3. I'll second that sentiment

I think anyone who thinks Bush is worse than Hitler is totally ignorant of just how evil the Third Reich was.
Hitler and why: I shouldnt even have to explain but his wars killed millions of people and had the genocide of an entire people. Yes, Bush has been a terrible president but he doesn't even compare with Hitler.

[billyskank]

7. We got two

[JohnKleeb]

8. That makes me want to cry honest to god

As bad as a president Bush has been. Do these people know just how evil the Third Reich was?

[ZombieNixon]

10. Thank you!

[bridgit]

4. bush is a piker compared to hitler, hitler was patented evil...

[Proud_Democratt]

9. Many Iraqi civilians would disagree

with you.

[bridgit]

19. as a practical matter bush is in no sense the equal to hitler imo...

while all innocent dead call out for simple justice; you seem to have the weight of 12,000,000 dead at the hands of hitler & nazi hands in general, against your contention again...12,000,000 dead and likely that at the least

bush is a piker compared to hitler; hitler was patented evil

turning the dime on the backs of innocent dead iraqi's will not dispel that sad truth, bush doesn't run his game in either event, where hitler was highly hands on, and not merely a disassociated, stand off-ish delegator of duties, as is the wannabe boy-king-caesar bush. in addition to which...

hitler is 'in the can', and a known quantity. while i appreciate your point of view & need, you are not able to contest bush as being more evil than hitler in that bush's wheel is still spinning...or should i say wobbling

again imo

[terrya]

5. For Christ's sake, this is a no-brainer.

Adolf Hitler was one of the most evil men in history. George W. Bush, while a bad person, doesn't even come anywhere near the evils Hitler unleashed on the world.

This comparison is offensive to those people who DID suffer the sins of the Holocaust.

[Jazz2006]

6. Seconded.

In its entirety.

[eyesroll]

11. Why are we even going here?

:shrug:

[Proud_Democratt]

12. I'm doing research ...thinking about writing a book.

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[pinto]

20. Check this out: U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum (link)

http://www.ushmm.org/

[Proud_Democratt]

38. The link contains

some very haunting truths. I don't know how I would have handled survival during the Holocaust.

[smitty]

13. Hitler launched a war and a genocide that left 50 million dead.

[Vidar]

15. Hitler, but Bush is working his way up

[philosophie_en_rose]

16. Hitler, no contest. But it's really apples and oranges.

Bush IS like Hitler in many ways. However, Hitler is a different kind and depth of evil. Bush is a stupid, self-centered arrogant dumbass that lies, so that his buddies can profit from death. He is racist, elitist, and anti-intellectual. He will leave this country in debt and misery. But I have hope that Bush can only go so far here; that somehow karma or - god forbid! - the people in this country will preclude him from escalating his grabs for power.

On the other hand, Hitler orchestrated the deaths of millions and millions of people - pure evil. I don't know how to describe the difference, and it's so hard to quantify lives lost in one place as worse than another. In many ways - the superiority complex, the "deciderer" complex, etc. - they are the same. I just can't see Bush as worse than Hitler, in a grand sense.

Then again, Bush matters more right now. Hitler is dead, and the worse he can hurt us is through people living right now. People like Bush.

[CommunistLeague]

18. One Thing

they have in common is that they both use the suffering of the people to garner support, as well as using certain "terrorist" actions to gain more power

Hitler-Reichstag
Bush-9/11

very similar

Hitler blamed it on communists
Bush blamed it on terrorists

they are both wrong..

[Proud_Democratt]

39. Not only does the timing(era) matter but

the "where" and what nationality is affected also.

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. So far, at least two voters appear to be complete idiots...

saying Bush is more evil than Hitler is like saying Pat Boone is better than Elvis. You're entitled to think that if you want, of course, but you're still wrong (and you deserve to be laughed at for being a clueless imbecile).

[Proud_Democratt]

24. What makes you superior enough to regard the Bush voters

as idiots?

[ghostsofgiants]

25. Because it's blatantly idiotic?

Just a guess.

[Spider Jerusalem]

40. I don't just THINK that, it's extremely obvious.

Under Hitler's Third Reich, Germany invaded (and conquered) all of mainland Europe west of the Volga River (with the exceptions of Scandinavia and those territories under Italian control, such as Greece and Albania). The concentration camps and slave labour camps of the Nazi regime killed twelve million (Jews, Roma, Slavs, homosexuals, the 'mentally defective', and other 'undesirables'). The total butcher's bill for the war was FIFTY MILLION (twenty million of those Russians killed in fighting on the Eastern front or dead of starvation). And all of this because of Hitler's psychopathic ideas of German 'destiny' and 'racial purity'.

Bush, in comparison, is a pimple on the arse of history. Anyone who doesn't see this is either a) amazingly ignorant, or b) painfully stupid.

[JohnKleeb]

41. Actually Hitler took two Scandavian Countries

Norway and Denmark. Sweden was however netural and Finland was part of the Axis. I agree with your point though 100%.

[Spider Jerusalem]

42. Yeah, but you had Quisling in Norway...

(collaborationists and all, y'know), and Denmark's not really Scandinavian (it's not on the Scandinavian peninsula).

[JohnKleeb]

43. Oh

Right Quisling. I really wish people would take the time to study the Third Reich's evils before considering hte comparsion. I don't even think Saddam Hussein is worth comparing to Hitler. I feel we can be critical of Bush's presidency without saying he's worse than Hitler.

[Spider Jerusalem]

44. Seriously...

saying something like 'Bush is worse than Hitler' is totally absurd, and it's something the right-wingers can point to and use to try to say everyone on our side are 'loony leftists'.

In the context of American politics, 'worse than Nixon, Harding, and Coolidge combined' should be enough without having to resort to this sort of hyperbole...

[JohnKleeb]

45. Exactly

I mean he's definely the worst president in my lifetime but Hitler is the worst dicator in the 20th century if not history.

[mduffy31]

21. I think that this is in very bad taste.

I don't like Bush as much as everyone else here, but comparing him with the most evil man in history is a little over the line.

[Proud_Democratt]

26. I don't......remember we're stuck with this guy for 2 and half years..

and many things can happen in that time. A conflict with Iran is just around the corner. If that happens, a "Draft" will be reinstituted, most likely.

[AbsoluteArmorer]

22. when thinking GW I think Bush Clan

Being that I consider all of the Bushies, and all they have done for decades, I'm leaning towards Bush being the evilest as I also take in the fact that this Bush economy is killing off seniors as well. Wait until our economy tanks... or the bird flu hits and we're not prepared. Also wait until we war with Iran and others afterwards.... then nukes come into picture... yeah you get the picture... millions and millions more will die.... and I will still hold the Bush clan responsible. Hitler is the original scumbag though.

[bridgit]

23. now that i'll grant you sight unseen...

odd, all of their portfolios so predicted upon human sorrow & misery http://watch.pair.com/reich.html

[Proud_Democratt]

37. Is this what you think the future holds?

Do you really think nukes will be used in Iran?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

27. Hitler

sheer numbers.

The comparison always confuses me. Bush is like any number of other lousy US presidents who have blood on their hands. How many children died in Iraq because of sanctions? Yes, he has some unique nasty habits like pre-emptive wars, but Hitler was a unique monster who was smarter, more passionate, more competent and more focused than Bush. He threw the world into WWII and indirectly killed millions upon millions throughout the world, not to mention 7 million or more European Jews and other minorities.

Now, if Bush nukes Iran I will grant you that he's climbing the ladder. But even then he is on the bottom rung.

[terrya]

28. Perfectly stated, TallahasseeGrannie

Auschwitz. Dachau. Bergen-Belsen. Don't these names mean anything today?

Maybe Proud_Democratt should ask Elie Wiesel who he thinks is more evil.

Thank you for your post, TallahasseeGrannie

And I'm not going to post anymore in this ridiculous thread.

[Proud_Democratt]

30. It's a topic of opinion....not neccessarily my view, nor should I ..

feel any need to defend myself. Most of us are Democrats here. We are the party that defends our Constitution, including the "Freedom of Speech.

[ghostsofgiants]

32. You might have the right to say stupid shit...

But it doesn't make it any less stupid.

And if you're going to say ANYTHING, you should be prepared to defend it. Especially when it comes to a topic like this. And just to let you know, you do seem to be defending the view (albeit not very well) which tends to give them impression that it is indeed your view.

[Proud_Democratt]

34. It is a poll......one question. Does that justify "name calling"?

Did someone here call you names?

[ghostsofgiants]

35. First of all, any name calling isn't in regard to the poll itself...

Although it's a pretty dumb poll, any name calling is directed at those who actually think Bush is more evil than Hitler (of whom you seem to be one, based on your replies in this thread), as it's basically an affront to all the victims of the Third Reich. Normally I'm not one for name calling, but this whole thread is so ridiculous that I don't even consider it a serious discussion, so I don't mind calling someone an idiot in this thread if they're putting forward an idiotic idea.

[Road Scholar]

29. Hitler didn't pick his nose in public. nt

[Redneck Socialist]

31. OK this is the stupidest poll I've ever seen at DU

even by Lounge standards.

Anyone else think the three who voted for Bush are freeper trolls?

[ghostsofgiants]

33. Either that or recent lobotomy patients.

[lonestarnot]

36. bushitler!

[arwalden]

46. This Is Even Stupider Than One Of MY Polls...

Sorry, PD... you and I frequently agree on a lot of things, but I part ways with you on this thread and this poll.

I think it cheapens the debate and the valid criticisms of Bush when people attempt to make a direct comparison between Bush and Hitler.

I do think that there are times when it's completely valid and appropriate to make references and comparisons to Bush policies (and his assault on our rights and the constitution) as being Nazi-like. I also think it's fine to compare his minions their bully tactics as being similar to Gestapo-tactics or Brownshirt-like.

Things like this thread/poll just make DUers look silly. This is the type of poll that the folks over in Freeperville LOVE to see. They use it and point to it as an example of how unrealistic, paranoid, and hate-driven we are.

I must say... I'm not impressed by efforts to shield this thread from criticism with cries of "Freedom of Speech", and suggestions that everyone is free to "have an open discussion" and state their opinion.

It's an exercise in navel-gazing that makes us all look pretty damn foolish and shallow. I know you're a smart guy, but I think that this thread shows a definite lapse of good judgment.

[Proud_Democratt]

51. I respect your opinion...but I am only polling this topic out of

curiousity, not, and I repeat, not MY conviction. Bush is very corrupt, deceitful, and all the other "bad" attributes, but he is not a top contender for "evilness" yet. But like I said, he'll be around for 2 and a half years more. Many things can happen in that period of time. I do, see some potential with the types of Bush supporting organizations.

What I'm saying is....it is merely a poll, and Bush is not some "sacred person" above questioning or convicting. I am only curious about the public feel of a Bush-Hitler comparison.

[LA lady]

47. embarassing

This is just the kind of stuff that gets posted on "other sites" to show how crazy we are. Thank goodness the majority of the responses come from people more intelligent than the original poster.
You need to study history before you post a poll like this

[lonestarnot]

48. my my but aren't we snitty tonight. This IS the lounge.

[arwalden]

50. Indeed! The Lounge Really Isn't Appropriate For This Type Of Poll...

... in the first place. It's just that it's more likely to be seen here than anywhere else. Based on the OP's defense and personal comments, it would appear that he didn't post it as a gag (as many lounge polls are) and that he was quite serious about it.

Even if it found a more "appropriate" home in another forum, I still think that it's a pretty dumb poll that makes DUers look pretty damn silly.

[no name no slogan]

49. for fucks sake

Why do people continually post shit like this?

[rug]

52. What's Bush's body count so far?

[Spider Jerusalem]

53. And Bush has NINE votes now?

NINETEEN percent? How? Against Adolf fucking Hitler? Just who are the slack-jawed, drooling, pants-wetting Epsilon Sub-Morons who actually think Bush is MORE EVIL THAN HITLER???

This just proves the same thing that Bush's continued 30+ percent support levels do. Which is that some people are so goddamned stupid it's a wonder they don't forget to breathe.

[Floogeldy]

54. The question is superfluous . . .

. . . . But the analogy and comparison is relevant and meaningful.

Let me just say that Bush is the closest thing to Hitler currently occupying the planet.

[Moderator]

55. Locking

From the DU Rukes:

Do not post "flame bait" discussion topics.