The LOST season finale watercooler discussion thread *SPOILERS*

[Beware the Beast Man]

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Once one question is answered, 15 more are posed.


Is it me, or did the Other that Kate shot have the same build and haircut as "Marvin Candle," the training film guy? You never see his face, but it looks like his build.

A four-toed colossus- what the hell is that all about?

Anyone else think Libby is in on it with Widmore? Because you can always find a woman offering up a free boat at the Au Bon Pain.

According to the TWOP forums, the two guys at that outpost at the end of the episode were speaking Portuguese.

If Penny is keeping tabs on Desmond via a listening post in some remote location, perhaps Leonard (the man who gave Hurley the numbers in the institution) was one of the guys in charge of keeping after him as well.

Libby said her dead husband's name was David. Hurley's delusion was named Dave. Coincidence?

So Kelvin is the same guy who taught Sayid interrogation in Iraq? Interesting...


Tons more...feel free to add your input.

[vi5]

1. In all the message board stuff I've read...

-Nobody has mentioned in any way the fact that Kelvin was the military dude who had Sayid torture that guy in Iraq. More so than finding out who the others are I want to know how all these interconnected people kept ending up on that island.

-Did that Libby/Desmond encounter happen before or after she was in the institution?

[Beware the Beast Man]

3. Probably before.

It had to be at least three years before the crash, because that is how long Desmond stayed in the hatch before his escape.

[underpants]

5. Yeah + the pneumatic tube pile was surreal and hilarious

I had to pause the TV because I was laughing so hard at that image.

I think we have all had jobs that felt like that.

[Beware the Beast Man]

6. As soon as I saw that, I thought "Oh crap, the Swan hatch is real."

[underpants]

4. REally? I picked up on that right away-he was the CIA guy in Iraq

he put the toolbox in front of Sayid and sent him back in to torture his superior officer.

[Misunderestimator]

7. Oh shit, that's right! I knew I'd seen him before!!

[underpants]

2. *Yikes!* I giant 4 TOED FOOT!!!

Run away!!!!!

Actually maybe it is the basis of a religion....heh it could work.

[Patiod]

36. Four-toed foot - so the island is ruled by Matt Groening?

And Homer is their King?

[NewWaveChick1981]

8. I did notice

that the dead Other looked just like the Marvin Candle guy.

Hubby and I were joking about the four-toed colossus being the god of the Simpsons, where everyone has four digits on each appendage. :rofl: Seriously, maybe a mutant civilization? Maybe mutations caused by excessive electromagnetic radiation?

I guessed the same thing about Libby. It was just too easy for Desmond to magically receive a free boat from her via a chance meeting. Anyone think that Widmore is Hanso?

I thought that sounded like Portuguese. I wonder if Leonard also spoke Portuguese.

I was right! Kelvin was the CIA guy who used Sayid for torture of prisoners. Hubby wanted to argue about it, but I knew he was.

Did anyone else WANT Mr. Eko to be blown to bits? :P I was waiting for another Arzt-like accident with the dynamite!

I'm glad Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer know the truth about Michael. That was handled pretty well.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. I doubt Eko and Locke are actually dead.

They seem too major to kill off like that. Don't ask me how - but I just have a hunch they're alive.

[Beware the Beast Man]

10. If Eko can survive a TNT blast like he did,

than anything is possible.

That was the one suspension of disbelief I had a problem with.

[swimboy]

17. I agree with you on that.

It was doubtful that heroin band guy would have survived it, but Eko, no way.

[progmom]

11. Other dead guy

Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund:

[Beware the Beast Man]

21. I wish there was a better screenshot.

Though he was face-down, the one closeup shot they did of the body sure looked like him.

[Patiod]

37. Ack! You beat me to the Simpson's reference

I thought I was the only one who would come up with that.

[Yavin4]

12. Here's My Answer To Everything

The island sits on some sort of huge natural electromagnetic field that can suck the entire planet into it. That's how Rousseau's ship, Desmond's plane, Eko's brother's plane, and that air balloon were all marooned on that island.

This field has the ability to even heal the sick.

The CIA or some other government agency found out about this field and set up shop there through a front company called, The Dharma Institute.

The Dharma Institute did a lot human experimentation, and the others are the product of this experimentation. They probably rebelled and became this rag tag unit. In essence, they are indeed the good guys.

Desmond's ex is on some sort of quest to find this field, and now she has done so. However, we still don't know her motives and what she plans on doing with it.

[underpants]

18. Hmm could be

As I posted elsewhere someone had a very complicated theory from another board posted here a few weeks ago. MAgnets specifically electromagnets was the basic principle but with a very LONG explanation of the stars (the numbers are coordinates or something like that) and how the island is located near the equator and the international date line which isn't where it is by any accident ;-( according to this theory.

The "we are the good guys" could mean anything maybe just that "Henry" has used that as his selling point all these years.

[myrna minx]

31. Your post made me remember the Umberto Eco novel:

http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_usatoday96.html

The Island of the Day Before which is quite similar to the tale of LOST. I never made this connection before. Your idea of it being on the international date line brought this novel to mind! Note the name of ECO! Ha.

Fromthe site:
The Island of the Day Before (the title refers to an island seen from a ship on the international date line and therefore theoretically still in the previous day) is the story of Roberto della Griva, a young man who, in the summer of 1643, is shipwrecked somewhere in the South Pacific. How and why he got there is the subject of the first half of the novel. In a series of flashbacks, the narrator describes Roberto's bucolic childhood and his experience with the Thirty Years War, the Plague and the salons of Paris before he goes to sea on a mission for the French government. The second half of the book addresses Roberto's plight. Stranded on a mysteriously abandoned ship, in sight of an island he cannot reach because he cannot swim, Roberto alternately pines for his absent beloved and considers the full range of philosophical questions of his day. Superstitious and only partially educated, he nevertheless possesses a great curiosity about the workings of the universe, which gets free rein as he separates from civilization.
While cleverly weaving Roberto's story through various actual historical events and interactions with historical figures (Roberto's meeting with the Machiavellian Cardinal Mazarin is particularly funny), Eco's authorial voice plays fast and loose with narrative conventions. He interjects ironic commentary on the action and never makes it entirely clear how much of what Roberto experiences is "real" and how much is fantasy. Indeed, Eco rather disconcertingly toys with the idea of the "reality" of the story as a whole. Structurally, Island is daring. Rather than relying on the device of a mystery to lead the reader along (as with Rose and Pendulum ), this book is a Bildungsroman-- the story of one man's education and psychological development. As such, it is less plot-driven (and hence, less likely to be made into a movie). Additionally, Island departs from its precursors with its magical-realism style and setting in the baroque, rather than medieval, period. Nevertheless, it shares with Eco's earlier novels a dizzying scope of arcane knowledge packed into a story both thought-provoking and surprisingly humorous. What remains compelling at the end of The Island of the Day Before is not so much Roberto's own story, but rather the excitement of an era in which all knowledge was in flux - an era, therefore, like our own.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

40. No rebellion.

Supplies are still being sent to the island. If there was a rebellion, why would supplies come?

[Yavin4]

13. The Fake Beard Guy

If you've seen the movie, "Sideways", then you have seen him before, and it's not a pleasant memory.

[Shell Beau]

15. I know him!!! He's a friend of my aunt's! M. C. Gainey

is name. He was in Con Air & Breakdown & Dukes of Hazzard. He is always a bad guy. His nickname as we know him is Tank.

[Yavin4]

20. If You See The Movie "Sideways"

Then you'd really, really know him.

[Shell Beau]

22. I know!My aunt went to see it to watch him, but little did she know...

It was a scream!!

[Yavin4]

23. She Watched Him Alright

As we all did.

[underpants]

16. M.C. Gainey- Desperate Housewives too (getting lots of work recently)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/

[LynneSin]

14. All I know is I'm going to have to watch this episode again

It was nice to see that Libby wasn't a total throwaway but still doesn't explain the institution or why she was fascinated with Hurley.

So if the electromagnetic thingie is busted I'm guessing that getting off the island would be much easier since compasses and other equipment will now work.

So we know why Hurley was picked - he's the massinger to return back to the plane crash folks to tell them that Kate, Sawyer & Jack are gone but why did they want Sawyer, Jack & Kate. Any guesses?

I would be disappointed to find out Locke and especially Eko are dead. I mean, if Eko is dead that means all the tailies that joined this were basically throw-aways and that seems like a waste. Bernard doesn't count since we really only see him like 2 minutes every 3rd episode (except the one time they had a Bernard & Rose episode).

With all the violence & destruction it was nice to see the show end with a happy note with Charlie & Claire sharing a kiss. Those 2 belong together but I suspect that there is still Virgin Mary statues scattered about the island.

Perhaps I'm just not going to watch the show again until the season #2 DVDs come out so I can truly appreciate the episodes without interuption

[progmom]

19. did you go to Hansocareers.com?

Interesting job postings.

Art Therapist/Psychologist

The successful applicant will receive a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to work in a state-of-the-art mental care facility using cutting edge technology in the company of the best and brightest in the field. The successful applicant will relocate to the coastal city of Vik, Iceland and work with a varied, diverse population of patients from around the world. Practical experience providing care for highly-gifted and highly unstable minds is essential, as well as fluency in Eastern European languages and a working knowledge of applied mathematics. Extensive background checks, periodic drug testing and a lifetime non-disclosure agreement are mandatory requirements of this position.

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Personal Assistant

to Thomas Werner Mittelwerk.

LOCATION: NEW YORK, USA/COPENHAGEN, DENMARK

The successful applicant will work in close proximity with the Chief Technologist and Operating Officer of the Hanso Foundation, providing support in both his personal and professional endeavors. The applicant must have at least three years of experience as either a primary or secondary assistant to a high-level professional corporate officer and must have a Ph.D. or advanced scientific degree in any one of the following fields: cryptography, comparative religion, molecular biology, Lacanian psychology, fluid mechanics, turbulence and computation -- or a minimum of 5 years in a recognized think-tank or government sponsored research facility. Fluency in Danish is essential, as well as French and German with some working knowledge of multiple asian languages.

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Simian Veterinarian

The Hanso Foundation's simian research facility is looking for a motivated, eco-friendly, outgoing world-traveler with a specialty in higher primates! Responsibilities will include the primary medical care of a large population of orangutans! The successful applicant will be required to sign a multi-year contract as well as non-disclosure agreements spanning the remainder of the Foundation's existence - extensive periodic drug testing and background checks are mandatory. Current or past membership in organizations such as the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, Amnesty International, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals or any advocacy group dealing with environmental or animal-rights issues will disqualify any and all prospective applicants. No room and board will be provided to spouse/child.


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Organ Courier





The successful applicant will combine not only a working knowledge of tissue-transplantation procedures and the latest pharmaceutical agents involved in this growing field, but also an ability for high-speed travel, diplomacy and an extensive knowledge of transit restrictions and regulations as well as traffic laws around the world. Fluency in at least five languages including French, German, Russian and Chinese is crucial - as is a willingness to achieve fluency in sub-saharan regional and tribal dialects. Knowledge of martial arts, self-defense and extensive weapons training is essential, but applicants willing to receive training in these areas will receive due consideration.

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Anger Management Director

The successful applicant will work with the Hanso Foundation's Public Relations department to rapidly and efficiently manage unforeseen human complications of the Foundation's work. Experience in human rights and environmental litigation is essential, as is a persuasive, open demeanor - previous experience in psychology and mediation are preferred. This is a highly rewarding but also high-stress position often dealing with rapid response and mission-critical variables - the successful applicant will report to officers in the Hanso Foundation's legal and Public Relations departments. Fluency in Korean and all regional dialects as well as comfort with sea-based travel will be required.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

24. Thomas Mittelwerk???

Didn't we find out Zeke's real name was Tom last night?

Certainly seems like that guy could be a Chief Technologist and Operating Officer in real life.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

29. The pictures don't match at all.

Could be, but it seems doubtful. Nice pickup though.

[progmom]

30. There's a photo of Dr. Mittelwerk on the Hanso site

and this is Tom/Zeke

[Ravenseye]

25. Yeah more questions, more answers, more questions

Kate Killed Marvin Candle - Well I don't know, but when I saw the body I did think they were going to turn him over and it would be Marvin Candle. Sure looked like him from the side and behind. No clear shot though, so I doubt it. We're just looking for everything.

Four Toed Colossus - After a bunch of research the thing that makes the most sense is that it is part of a giant statue of Krishna. Given the origin of Dharma it makes the most sense, and in at least one story Krishna has four toes, losing on in a hunting accident or something. Why there though? Who built it? Was it ever full size, or just a foot to fuck with people's heads.

Libby's Boat - Something else must be going on here, but with all the other strange connections getting people to the island I wouldn't complain about anything being coincidence anymore. Everyone on the island was already closely linked to everyone else prior to going to the island. I think we'll see more of Libby in flashbacks though. Something is going on there.

Portuguese - Yes they were speaking that. Some people thought it was Russian, and I can understand that with the snow and chess. Portugese throws people because most Americans aren't used to hearing it, and know it's not italian and Spanish generally. the environment there just helped people think it was Russian. Still...where were they? Antarctica? Iceland? Greenland? Why did Penny send them there to look for magnetic anomalies? How did Penny know what to look for? All new questions.

Libby's husband - There are no coincidences.

Kelvin - There are no coincidences.

[NewWaveChick1981]

28. I'm pretty sure it's Iceland.

If you go to www.hansocareers.org, there is a link for Iceland there. It's pretty cryptic, but there are links for Widmore, Desmond, and Hatch, among others.

[progmom]

26. Is Penny Persephone?

...from the Hanso website?

[Beware the Beast Man]

27. I think I read that in passing.

Someone in the Lost forum on Television Without Pity may have mentioned it.

[Beware the Beast Man]

39. Oh, according to Lostpedia, yes she is.

She's the same person.

[hatredisnotavalue]

32. This is making the rounds on someother sites

The place is quite a wilderness," said Squire Headlong: "for, during the latter part of my father's life, while I was finishing my education, he troubled himself about nothing but the cellar, and suffered everything else to go to rack and ruin. A mere wilderness, as you see, even now in December; but in summer a complete nursery of briers, a forest of thistles, a plantation of nettles, without any livestock but goats, that have eaten up all the bark of the trees. Here you see is the pedestal of a statue, with only half a leg and four toes remaining: there were many here once.

-CHAPTER IV: The Grounds

[SteppingRazor]

33. Anybody visit the Web site of last night's fake commerical?

www.hansocareers.com

Not much there, though.

Also, in regards to David, it's also an interesting name because Desmond Hume gets his boat. David + Hume = David Hume, the famous skepticist Enlightenment philosopher

[progmom]

34. ok, so this is a stretch, but...

on the hanso foundation site, if you look at their executive bios and the board of directors, there are two people who don't have pictures: Hugh McIntyre and Liddy Wales. just thought that was interesting since there's a Hugo and Libby on the island. :shrug:

[Beware the Beast Man]

38. According to this, Widmore Construction is owned by...

Charles and Libby Widmore.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Widmore

[Squatch]

35. EPIRB signal

Desmond shut down the electromagnetic system at the hatch, which allowed the EPIRB signal to reach the monitoring station.