I hate when DUers act like freepers

[prolesunited]

I thought we were better than that.

[Blue-Jay]

1. "We"?

Who is this "we" you're speaking of, freepette?

[prolesunited]

3. OK maybe not you

but most definitely me and a lot of the others here.

[everythingsxen]

2. I hate it when freepers act like freepers

Partisans tend to be jackasses on either side. When someone really believes in something... they will destroy anyone and anything in their path.

[Spider Jerusalem]

4. Yeah...ideologues are the same at bottom, whatever their ideology...

and the social dynamics of any group of people tend to be similar (ie tendency to seek in-group uniformity of thought and to ostracise those who deviate, et cetera)...be easier for the OP to say 'I hate it when humans act like humans'.

[jobycom]

5. I hate when DUers hate like Freepers

whether it's popular entertainers like Tom Cruise or Rachel Ray, or Democrats like Lieberman or Clinton, or even meaningless Republicans like Limbaugh or Coulter. I'm a Democrat because I think hate is something to overcome, not glorify.

[LostinVA]

7. I,ove hating Rachel Ray -- She is NOT yummo!!!

[KurtNYC]

13. She loves her own cooking

"Deelish!"

[LostinVA]

45. Especially her sammies

[RagingInMiami]

29. She's very tasty

[deucemagnet]

41. Yummo!

That's my favorite pic from the FHM spread. :thumbsup:

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

9. I agree. I've always been very against hate and violence.

I have maintained that love is a much better path to take then hate. That we should always try to understand and sypmathize with those who we dislike, instead of attacking them or using hate as a shield. It's abject hate and violent attitudes that have bothered me everywhere, on DU and elsewhere, simply because it doesn't have to be that way. But alas, humans will be humans :(

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

14. But Rachel Ray deserves it.

:shrugs:

[jobycom]

19. No one deserves it. Hate reflects poorly on the subject, not the object.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

28. No, no, trust me - she deserves it.

She is the root of all evil. :-)

And I happen to think that reflects quite nicely on me. :-)

[jobycom]

31. Well, only in that she cooks meat, but that's most chefs

Other than that, I think she's kind of cute, in a quirky, spunky sort of way...

But we're off the subject! Hate is for Republicans! Dems are for tolerance! :grr:

[LostinVA]

46. I agree with Vash on this

[zonkers]

58. Had no idea she was a freep. I find her repulsive and graceless.

Give me Jaqcues Pepin who's always sharing his food and wine with an old kitchen comrade.

[patcox2]

21. Perhaps it is a matter of nomenclature, wording.

One does not "hate" Rachel Ray or Tom Cruise; one hates the phenomenon of their fame and success. One hates those attributes of our culture which result in the elevation of such people.

Its not personal animosity against another human being, its directed against an "ideal" in the platonic sense, but in this case a negative ideal, its like hating injustice, hating suffering, hating disease, hating ignorance.

[jobycom]

36. Bull--weak ass rationalization.

That's like the Republicans who claim they don't hate gays, they just hate the "sin." If someone despises the phenomena of popular entertainers, they can darn well say that without some of the Freeper-esque hate-fest language directed at specific people around here. And further, the whole idea of hating the "attributes of our culture which result in the elevation of such] people" is disturbing in itself. Many people like Tom Cruise, or Rachel Ray, or Britney Spears, or any other object of the daily DU two minute hates. The hate-fests devalue them, too, for their likes and dislikes.

Democratic principle is about equality, not all this elitist nonsense.

[patcox2]

42. But people are not equal, they just have equal rights under law.

Democratic principles are that all people are equal in the eyes of the law, not that all people are actually equal. Thats nonsense, that all people are actually equal. Thats true only at the special olympics, where everyone gets a juicebox and a medal for trying.

Thats why its crazy to think all people should go to college. The world does indeed need ditchdiggers too. Egalitarianism merely requires that the equal worth and equal entitlement to respect and dignity of ditchdiggers be recognized.

Trash culture is trash, and I don't have to respect it. Thats not a "democratic ideal," that people are not allowed to have varying degrees of intelligence, education, taste, and sophistication. Thats something the levellers believed, they would have torn down society to the lowest common denominator, thank god they failed.

[jobycom]

68. Even if true, that has nothing to do with my post

I never said some people aren't faster or more musically gifted. What I'm saying is that if you insult everyone who likes, say, Pirates of the Caribbean because it is light and fluffy, you are not respecting the criteria which others use to judge films. You are claiming that only your vision of entertainment/art is valid. Someone whose specialty in life is electrical engineering may have never cared one way or the other whether Johnny Depp's style of affectation acting is more or less sophisticated than Tom Cruise's style of method acting. Trashing said EE (or mechanic, plumber, whatever) for having a different standard than yours for entertainment is elitest.

That's not to say one can't judge artists of all types by objective standards--that's one reason so many awards shows exist. There's a point when someone crosses from honoring artistic talent to trashing anyone different from themselves. That's what I'm talking about.

And it does take talent to produce or direct or perform a popular work of art. A different type of talent, but still a talent. Not everyone can do what, say, the Beach Boys or Britney Spears do, even if their talents and skills in music aren't exceptional.

As for the rest of your article, obviously everyone would agree with it, but that isn't what I was saying. One of my favorite quotes from some clever quipper I've forgotten (I think Menken, but not sure): A nation that values average philosophers over great plumbers will produce neither great philosophy nor great plumbing.

[Deep13]

6. Why do you hate America?

And don't tell me it's because of that Ventura Highway song!

[Deja Q]

8. Depends on the context.

Who here hasn't been treated as such by other DUers? :shrug:

[LaurenG]

10. Don't say anything but

It is possible that some freepers could be pretending to be du'ers . :popcorn:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. Yes, but that doesn't cover all of them.

Zealots of every race, gender, religion, and creed are all equally worthless. That goes for us lefty zealots too.

[LaurenG]

17. Aw jeez Vash are ya tryin to tell me somethin?

I agree with you btw. I was having fun trying out my NEW html skills!:patriot:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

18. Of course not!

We've talked on many occassions and you're still not on my ignore list, so that says a lot! :-) :toast:

[prolesunited]

23. Zealots and haters are among us as well

and not all of them are trolls.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

26. Yep - that's what I said.

:toast:

[El Fuego]

11. I hate it when DUers act like freepers who act like DUers

acting like freepers.

[frankenforpres]

12. only freepers go to olive garden, imo (n/t)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. Ain't that the truth!

:D

[patcox2]

22. The breadsticks lure them.

nt

[Crazy Dave]

20. Are you speaking of intolerance and one-sightedness towards...

...other's opinions and ideals that don't match or agree with their own. I agree. DU is full of them. A majority as a matter of fact.

[progmom]

24. yep

That's one of the reasons why I think it's unfair to attribute all nasty behavior to republicans. Nastiness transcends political ideology.

[bridgit]

67. yup...

[Phillycat]

25. You know where I noticed it the most? NO, not the Ken Lay threads!

In the "what do you hate most about the grocery store?" thread. So very many people seem to have little to no tolerance for other human beings on the planet, just trying to live and grocery shop, for heaven's sake. I live in a city and I am used to being surrounded by other people, their sounds, their smells, their close proximity to me. Yet so many DUers think nothing of spewing their hatred of other shoppers because they *gasp* BLOCKED THE AISLE with their shopping carts! Goodness, are you delivering a baby? Because otherwise do you really need the 5 seconds it will take for the person to realize you are behind them and move out of the way? What about waiting patiently, with maybe a gentle throat clear if they are unaware, and then smiling and saying excuse me when they move? What if we all treated each other like potential friends instead of automatic combatants?

I don't know, it just really surprised me...

[progmom]

27. damn i missed you when you were gone

:hi:

[Phillycat]

32. Awww

:hug:

[txwhitedove]

30. Ditto here, janesez, on the negative grocery store thread. I kept

reading that and thinking...., sure glad those posters weren't in Mississippi when H.Katrina blew/washed the grocery stores and everything else away. Rejoice in each new day and be grateful for what you have - it could be gone tomorrow.

[Phillycat]

33. Exactly.

Perspective, people. Perspective.

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. Just make sure you don't shuck that corn...or stand on the escalator

...

Those are the true hallmarks of a true, "lazy fat ass"... :hi:

How have you been?

[Phillycat]

37. I am well!

How about you? :hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

39. I am good, thans for asking!

My dad is doing really good. The tumor was malignant, but his prognosis is really good. things are starting to settle down a bit.

[Phillycat]

40. Thank god, thank goddess

Medicine is amazing these days. I am so glad to hear it. :hug:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

43. I think you blow that waaaaaaay out of proportion

If you mean to tell me that you don't get annoyed by other people while you're trying to do an already unpleasurable chore, you win the Saint of the Year award. Expressing that frustration has little to do with intolerance. It's not like any of us were seriously wishing those people would die or anything, nor would we reject their friendship if we actually got to know them based upon their lack of supermarket etiquette. Methinks you're a wee bit sensitive.

[LostinVA]

47. I really do hate the corn shuckers

And, I grew up in farm country, so I also think it's STUPID! Corn doesn't need to breathe, like certain types of wine... it can actually mess up the flavor of the corn.

But I still hate it more when Rachel Ray says, "EVOO, EXtra Virgin Olive Oil."

[Phillycat]

48. Not at all.

It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately - not just in the context of the supermarket. How people can't seem to live and let live - how rude everyone has gotten lately. I am no shrinking violet - I'm brash and loud, believe me. But I really feel that living in a city (Philly) has made me immune to some of the petty and overly nasty annoyances posted on that thread - like, for christ's sake people! Someone is in your way for 2 minutes? They are taking up space on the planet, just as you are.

And no, I don't find grocery shopping unpleasant, much less intolerable. In fact, I posted on that thread that I genuinely enjoy it - and one of the reasons I enjoy it is being out in society and smiling at strangers and exchanging pleasantries over the produce.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

50. Maybe you do deserve the Saint of the Year award.

Sorry, but I think you're alone, and I don't think finding particular actions particularly annoying to be hateful or bad in any way.

[Phillycat]

54. Well, I am no saint.

But since my comment on this thread drew four positive responses and your one negative one, I don't think I'm alone. Peace. :hug:

[AngryAmish]

52. same with the smoking and fireworks threads

[Phillycat]

53. The fireworks thread was bizarre!

I had to laugh at that one. :)

[AngryAmish]

56. I don't light bottle rockets with you.

[Phillycat]

57. HAHAHA!!! It would not be appropriate for me to use your sparklers

I am here to accompany my husband, not use your sparklers.

[txwhitedove]

62. But..., but WHY? You haven't answered WHY?

:rofl:

[samsingh]

34. we can't possibly act as freepers

but we do have to fight back hard, otherwise we lose. look at what happened when the left decided to unite with the right for the common good. They've stabbed us in the back and kept taking full control.

[ghostsofgiants]

38. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

There are dickheads on the left and dickheads on the right. It's usuall quite independent of political ideology.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

44. You forgot one thing

There are dickhead moderates too. :toast:

[ghostsofgiants]

60. Oh, the dickheads span the political spectrum, no doubt about that.

[redqueen]

49. I am, but most aren't.

Oh, the pain of being so perfect.... the agony... the torturous loneliness of never finding anyone good enough for ME!

*flings self down dramatically on a chaise lounge, wrist against my forehead, silken gown flowing down past my tanned, not-strangely-shaped legs to barely brush against the floor*

[prolesunited]

51. If you're trying to imply

that this thread means I in any way think that I am perfect, you are terribly mistaken. I am a very flawed human being, indeed.

There is a huge chasm betweent thinking you are better than everyone and posting threads on DU filled with hate and vitriol about hating others so much that you want to throw a party in honor of their death and berating their widows, which was what prompted this thread in the first place

[redqueen]

55. nope!

just joking around... sorry

and i'm sorry that the hatred is getting to you... i think we could all do with a lot less of that sort of thing entirely... it seems almost by design... people get so frustrated and fed up... and it's so easy to slip into it, isn't it? easy to lose your temper and vent at people when you really don't mean to... not deep down anyway... i don't think most mean to (hope, maybe?)

anyway sorry, really... i didn't take the OP serously and i should have read the thread before making a joke of a response...

[prolesunited]

59. No worries

I didn't provide the initial context for it.

I was just worried that you were perceiving me as one those holier-liberal-than-thou types. It just makes me sad when I see such mean-spirited comments. I think King and Gandhi showed us a better path.

[Redstone]

61. Care to be a bit more specific? Or is this just general-purpose flamebait?

Redstone

[bridgit]

64. one-size-fits-all flamebait...

[Redstone]

66. Hey, it keeps the place lively.

Redstone

[bridgit]

63. yeah, tell me about it, i was dis-invited from a 'du meet-up' not 1/2...

a block from where i live, in the town i was born & raised, for having the balls to live my life with freedom & liberty; all freeper-esque crap-heads can take a flying leap is my thought

"(you) thought we were better than that"? don't bet on it with any more than even money :rofl:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

65. I shall grind my opponents into dust!

[leftofthedial]

69. who's "we," you liberal punk?

*I* may act like a freeper, but you sure as hell don't. Because you're *weak* and limp-wristed. And you're mother wears combat boots.

[bleedingheart]

70. ugh! snort snort!

ugh!

:evilgrin: