A question for women who "know how to dress."

[bertha katzenengel]

This chapstick lesbian is a fashion mess. I'm clueless.

I'm looking for interview clothes. My question: can I wear an A-line dress? There's one in this catalog I'm looking at. I'm a size 26. The models are NEVER my size, so I can't tell. Would it look stupid on a woman such as me?

Don't worry about hurting my feelings. Give it to me straight.

I detest dresses. And I really dislike dressing up - for any occasion. I'll do it, but blech.

Thanks.

[Zookeeper]

1. Could you post a couple of pictures of the outfits...

that interest you? Or give us a link to the catalog?

[bertha katzenengel]

30. Thanks, Zoo -- I think I've got plenty to go on now. But . . .

:hi:

But here's the A-line dress I was talking about. I'd've gone for the long one.



See what I mean about models my size? I doubt that model's even wearing a 14.

[Zookeeper]

45. Yes, I see what you mean...

Those models actually look pretty slender to average.

I agree with the rest of the posters about going with separates. Then you already have a work wardrobe by adding a few more pieces.

[barb162]

89. Both of the dresses are very nice and conservative

They'd be good on an interview, though a dark suit would be better. For interviews, quietly tasteful and conservative

[bertha katzenengel]

97. thank you, barb! how about this question:

if I'm wearing a gray blazer and slacks, what color shell would be best?

white washes me out, and crimson & sapphire blue make me look great. but white seems more appropriate. your thoughts?

thanks! :bounce:

[xmas74]

120. A bit of color is fine, even for an interview.

If you wear conservative colors for your main articles (your blazer and slacks) a bit of color should be fine. Button the blazer so that only a small amount of color is shown.

Jewel tones and earthy colors (an argument can be made for crimson being more earthy) should be ok in small amounts. A shell w/ a buttoned blazer would be no different than a woman wearing a scarf and a scarf could be worn if the colors are not too loud(such as neons or anything too bright)and the pattern is plain.

Neither color you mentioned is too loud. You need a very small amount of color-you want to stand out but not too much. Put your best foot forward, wear one color in a small amount and keep your accessories plain-a simple plain chain or a strand of pearls w/ a pair of stud earrings should be fine.

[RebelOne]

101. QVC.com has some really fabulous plus-size fashions.

[bertha katzenengel]

104. Who knew?

I avoid shopping channels like the plague . . . :yoiks: Never even thought about that web site.

Thanks for the tip. :bounce:

[ScreamingMeemie]

2. For job interviews (IMO) jackets are always nice and flattering,

even on fuller figures. A 3/4 length jacket would look very nice on you. Stick with a tailored look. And....Good luck!

[Midlodemocrat]

4. I agree with Mrs. G. A jacket would look fabulous on you.

Suits are always a good and appropriate choice for interviews. I bought two at Dress Barn last summer, very nice, very inexpensive. One is navy blue and one is kind of sand colored. They fit nicely and look kind of linen-y.

edit for freeperishly stupid typo.

[SeattleGirl]

7. A jacket is a great idea, whether it's worn with a dress or

with pants.

[bertha katzenengel]

32. Thank you, Midlo

Turns out Dress Barn sizes stop one short of mine.

:pals:

[CottonBear]

What Not To Wear always suggest jackets that fit snugly around one's

smallest part of the torso. A jacket can go over a top and a skirt or over a dress or with slacks or jeans. The structured jacket can really support and define the fuller figure. A skirt or dress that falls away from the body is a good choice. You don't want it to cling. An a-line would be perfect. Let it fit more closely around the waist and jsut below and then flare out. A little seaming or rouching in the waist is good too.

[bertha katzenengel]

33. Thank you, CottonBear

:hi:

BTW I envy you your life with horses.

[CottonBear]

88. You are so very welcome bertha katzenengel

I know you will find the perfect interview outfit! It could be a jacket over a top with slacks!

My Cotton filly is growing strong and healthy! If you are ever near Athens, GA, send a PM! We (Mr. CB & I) would love meet you and buy you a beer. You could meet Cotton and her friends at the farm!

We have many lesbian friends here in our community. In fact, Mr. CB's band recently played at a motorcycle rally attended by many lovely lesbian ladies of all shape and sizes! They loved the music. They rode all kinds of bikes! They really rocked and were so appreciative of the band, who played under the hot and humid GA sun!

Good luck with your interviews and PLEASE post pics of the winning outfit! ;)

Peace and love to you and your kitties from us and ours...
CB

[bertha katzenengel]

98. Sounds like Mr. CB played for Dykes on Bikes!

:woohoo:

Thank you for the invitation! :hug: A trip to Georgia is in our future, and if we're able to make it a road trip, you will be on our itinerary.

A friend of Mrs. V.'s has a new filly, and she has invited us to a big picnic on her farm - but she keeps having to reschedule. I am anxious to meet Cookie! I have never seen a baby horse.

:bounce:

[stanwyck]

115. Love Stacy and Clinton

and women who aren't super skinny and have curves look, to me, best with structure. Look for seams. Look for tailoring. Plus size women sometimes wear their clothing too loose - maybe hoping to disguise their curves. But I think larger women look best when they wear clothing that fits closer to their bodies - not tight, but not adding bulk, either. Many plus size women have feminine hour-glass shapes that look good with clothes that fit well.

[CottonBear]

6. dupe. delete.

[bertha katzenengel]

31. Hmm. Which one of these is 3/4?

I have both in shopping baskets. The first one, I chose Wedgewood blue; the second, I chose the gray.

[spindrifter]

79. I think the grey

is very attractive. It is also a more slimming look than the modified shawl collar on the pink. I am a thin person and have a suit similar to the grey. One of the great things about the grey is that you can put a colorful blouse/shell under it and change it to suit your mood.

[Left Is Write]

80. FWIW, I like the cut of the first one better.

Good luck with your interview! :)

[smtpgirl]

54. Depends on how tall you are, a long skirt would make you look

dumpy.

Have you found some coordinates/pants suits in your size?

I am a size 16 and 5'3", and am also a chapstick lesbian, a nice silk pants coordinate or a nice summer suit probably would be a better bet.

[bertha katzenengel]

68. Hi, smtpgirl

I have found some coordinates since beginning this thread, and I've gotten a lot of help here. Thank you for your two cents :)

:bounce:

[smtpgirl]

109. you are very welcome

[ohiosmith]

3. Some good advice Bertha.

http://www.career.vt.edu/JOBSEARC/interview/APPEARNC.html#WOMEN

[bertha katzenengel]

36. Very good advice.

thank you so much :7

[SeattleGirl]

5. Bertha, are there any Lane Bryant stores in your area?

Or other stores that specialize in larger sizes? I'm asking because, even if you want to order the dress from the catalog, it might be good to go into a store and try on several different styles of dresses.

And to answer your question, no, I don't think an A-line dress would look stupid on you, as long as it was well-made. One thing that has happened over the past 15-20 years is that clothing for larger-sized women have FINALLY gotten away from frumpy, unfashionable styles. There are some great clothes out there that fit well, and look fabulous.

Best of luck to you, both on finding an appropriate dress, AND on your interview.

[bertha katzenengel]

37. "well-made" -- then I don't think this is the A-line for me. It's only $30

and I find that in clothing you get what you pay for.

I have Lane Bryant and Avenue stores, but they cater to tastes that are vastly different from mine. I'm not part of the large-woman demographic in this area. Sigh. I've gotten some good stuff from lanebryantcatalog.com -- I think they just borrow the name. They sell the same stuff from the Roaman's catalog.

Thanks, SG :hi:

[Sanity Claws]

8. don't forget shoes

If you're going to wear a dress, then make sure you have shoes that are appropriate and nice-looking.

[bertha katzenengel]

38. Absolutely, thank you. At 11EEEE they're actually the harder item to find

:yoiks:

[eridani]

96. To solve that one, find out where drag queens in your area--

--get their shoes.

[bertha katzenengel]

103. LOL

Good one!

[northzax]

9. Sorry-but I don't think so

A-line dresses look best on women with hips, a waist and a bust, on larger women they tend to over-emphasize things like stomachs and (forgive me) behinds. I'd go looking for a two piece, with a jacket, I think you are more likely to find something that will fit your shape in seperates. but, of course, I'm just a guy, but I wouldn't dress you in an A-line dress, an A-line skirt, perhaps, but the dress is iffy.

definately make sure you can try it on with time to exchange it if you can.

[bertha katzenengel]

41. no worries, northzax

This is why I asked - I don't know these things. :dunce: :blush:

:hi:

[khashka]

10. Women do not know how to dress!

This is what gay men are for.

In your case..... skip the dress. I don't think it would emphasize your best features and you're probably gonna look uncomfortable and ill at ease.

I'd advise an upmarket pantsuit. Professional, serious, looks good. Or better yet - a skirt and jacket! Jazz it up with a nice blouse and some well chosen accessories. Most dresses for larger women don't actually flatter them, IMO. But by breaking up the lines of one's body by wearing a jacket with a skirt or pants it makes your good points better and deemphasizes any "bad" ones.

Have a great interview!

Khash.

[LeftyMom]

12. I'm going to second this

It's much easier to get a flattering fit for the upper and lower halves of one's body with a two peice outfit. Unfortunately most of the dresses I see on larger women either cling or hang shapelessly, and if you have to order from a catalog rather than try things on you're pretty much garaunteeing one of the other.

Definitely go with a dark jacket and slacks or a skirt. Maybe not black, but a grey or dark blue, and then a coordinating lighter blouse or shell to move the eye toward your face.

[supernova]

15. See my note below

I own several pieces of this stuff and I love it! (I agree, go for the pants and skip the capris. :P )

http://www.chicos.com/store/products.asp?CollID=1

[khashka]

19. I'm seconding LeftyMom

A two piece suit.

I didn't say it, she did, but I was thinking it: Dark. Not black, too severe. But a nice grey or dark blue with a lighter coloured blouse or shell. A pale colour - rose, lavender, peach - would look good on you. And add a nice contrast to the darker suit.

And as many people have pointed out, the catalogue isn't the best idea. Check out Lane Bryant, they have some nice clothes for larger women. And you definitely want to try it on first.


Khash.

[flvegan]

21. As one that interviews, I'll have to third this.

LeftyMom is showing a good eye here.

All I would add is this...

Wear your confidence on your face and in your stride. People buy what you exude. Confidence, intensity, etc aren't conveyed through clothing as much as it is through you. The clothes make the first impression, yes, but even the very best looking, hottest, most perfectly dressed man/woman will come off like a bag of hammers if they lack the secondary grab.

Also, remember, vision is perception. Nail the interview, and that's what they'll remember.

Good luck, bk!

[bertha katzenengel]

82. Oh, hell, yes. Confidence is key. I use the word in my cover letter.

I am supremely confident, and always manage to convey that in every interview. I don't know where it comes from . . . probably the same place that gave me the ability to belt the second verse of "Joy to the World" in a concert . . . grabbing the mike, finding a primal voice from deep within . . .

god dammit, my performing days are over! :cry:

oh - we were talking about interviews!

Yes, confidence. And I know manner of dress helps.

Now, as an interviewer, what do you think of slacks vs. skirt?

[bertha katzenengel]

42. Yes, but my preferred gay man is 2,600 miles away, and I have no others!

I think you're right, though, Khash.

Thank you for your advice. :hug::pals:

[lildreamer316]

95. I agree with this!

Dresses have are actually in danger of becoming permanently second-class interview clothes next to the pantsuit. A pantsuit is ALWAYS a good investment. Very versitile, you can dress it up or down; it's good for day or night. Also, it's very easy to find one to fit compared to a dress. Lane Bryant usually has good basic peices. Just a suggestion.
Good luck!!

[stanwyck]

116. Actually, we do. But, that said,

I agree with all your advice. The dresses shown here are not flattering and would probably only work well on a very petite woman after they were hemmed up to minis. Too many voluptuous women buy tent type dresses. Mistake. They're not flattering.
I think the pantsuit idea is perfect. Don't know if you saw the movie "Jackie Brown". But Pam Greer played the female lead - and though she's a beautiful woman, she's also very curvy and not a size 6. She buys a pantsuit as part of the plot, puts it on, and Wow, she looks fabulous. She also looked great in a tightly fitting sleeveless sheath.
Your suggestions reflect what Candace Bergen wears on "Boston Legal" - and she always looks professional but not frumpy.

[xmas74]

121. Exactly.

I'd ditch the dress and go w/ coordinates. Nicely hemmed pants would be a much better choice.

I'm one of those women that has a problem w/ pants fitting properly. I have a smaller than what the manufactorer says my waist should be in proportion to my waist problem. I look for pants that are smooth seamed and fit my hips well. I take them home, put darts in the waist and, if applicable, sew the pockets closed. Pocketless pants make the pants look even slimmer over the hips since pockets sometimes bulge out. If a person doesn't feel comfortable w/ darting their pants take them to a seamstress. It's pretty easy for them to do and won't cost very much. Also have them hem them to the proper length-the proper length can make a big difference in someones appearance.

[AlCzervik]

11. i would go for a suit, Lane Bryant had some nice updated blazers and

pants and skirts to go with, whatever you pick make sure it fits you well so if you have time you could always get it tailored which is well worth the 20 or 30 dollars becasue it looks like it was custom made just for you.

[bertha katzenengel]

43. hmm, tailoring...

I've never done that. Never even thought of it. See? :dunce:

thank you :hi:

[xmas74]

122. Tailoring is really inexpensive if you buy something of decent

quality. Fit the pants to your hips, thighs and bottom. Go for pants w/ a nice drape over the hips and thighs-not loose but not tight either. Try the pants on and give yourself a workout in the dressing room. Bend, do squats-whatever. Watch yourself in the mirror while you do it and see how the cut works with you. Don't worry if the waist is too loose-that can be fixed.

Also, if you can, buy pants w/o side pockets. Side pockets tend to look bad on anyone that does not have the hip structure of a young boy.

Take the pants to a tailor or a decent seamstress. (You can sometimes find an older woman who does it in her home for a cheaper rate but is just as good as a tailor. Check around for recommendations.) Put the pants on and tell them what you want-the waist nipped in a bit, pockets sewn shut to fit flush, a proper hem. A good tailor is well worth the money and will help you get every penny out of your new pants.

(FWIW-the best pants suit I ever owned was sewn by an older woman who wanted to earn a few extra dollars under the table. She came well recommended by a friend. I went to her and we picked out the style and the fabric. She took my measurements, measured, cut and pinned the material to me for the proper fit then sewed it for me. She had me come over to try it on and pinned one more time. She had the entire suit ready in about two weeks and it fit perfectly plus it cost less than buying one at my local mall. The stiching was fantastic, the fit superb and the color perfect. If you can find someone like that snatch them up. )

[LaraMN]

13. May I add that whatever you choose, fabric is just as important as

cut! And I agree with those above who expressed that you'll *wear* that which you feel comfortable in far better than that which you don't. Good luck!

[bertha katzenengel]

44. Being that I'm job hunting in summer, I'm looking for light stuff --

like linen - but not for the pants. I'm going to have to get some pants that just won't wrinkle because I hate the "sitting wrinkles." I have some no-wrinkle oxford shirts, but I'm not sure they'll go under the blazers I'm seeing. Probably a jewel-neck (?) blouse...?

Argh.

Thank you, Lara :hi:

[supernova]

14. Try the CHico's stores

And check out the microfiber clothes (Traveler's Collection), they are flattering and drapey and very professional looking, though they are $$$.


http://www.chicos.com/store/home_intro.asp

[bertha katzenengel]

46. Hi, Supernova . . .

Chico's doesn't have my size. But thank you for the thought :7

[Kajsa]

16. Hi Bertha,

Like you, I detest dressing up.
I'm usually very uncomfortable in business clothes.

But a nice jacket with a nice,comfortable skirt would
look great.

Try to pick fabrics and styles you are comfortable in.
It really makes a big difference.

Good luck on your interviews

.:hi:

[AngryAmish]

40. Seconded

[bertha katzenengel]

76. Thank you, AA

:bounce:

[bertha katzenengel]

47. you're the second or third to mention comfort

I always try to dress for comfort, because discomfort shows SO well.

I hope the only uncomfortable thing will be The Shaper of Doom. (My body is just too sloppy to dress up without one. :()

thank you, Kajsa :hi:

[reyd reid reed]

17. I'd go with a skirt and jacket...

Knee length or a little longer and a 3/4 length jacket. No frilly stuff on the blouse (or anything else, really)...simple is better, you want them to notice You, not the clothes. Simple, professional, tailored. Gives the impression of confidence. And don't forget the shoes. Again, nothing fancy but they need to go with the skirt.

And, since you don't go for this look very often, give yourself time to put it on a few times to get comfortable with it.

Oh...and if you accessorize, again...less is more.

When in doubt, scale down.

[bertha katzenengel]

48. reyd . . . about 3/4 length jacket, please see

my post number 31 -- Mrs. G. doesn't seem to be around. I don't know how to know what a 3/4 jacket is. :dunce:

Accessories? My prized 40th BD bracelet (a tradition with my sisters) and small gold earrings. That's it.

Thank you very much :hi:

[xchrom]

18. when you want a tailored and profesional look -- i wouldn't

buy from a catalog.

yes you can wear an a line skirt -- but fit is everything -- should fit across the boobies very nicely and be an appropriate length.
the dress should also have a good fit across the midrif with making your body look like a potato sack -- and that's a problem for any woman not just larger women.

finding a jacket to go with would be nice -- but i don't know about that 3/4 length idea.
i know the intention is to make it look slimming -- but you have to watch out for that added volume thing.
i think a jacket that comes to the top of the hip or a little long -- but that definetly skimms the hip -- doesn't add volume.

and please remember -- a good tailor/dress maker is your FRIEND!

you can buy things and have them altered to fit! very important.


p.s. -- i was in the biz for a long time.

[khashka]

20. I don't know xchrom....

I kinda like the 3/4 lengths idea... Surely, unless you're stick thin it'll emphasize your hips..... but that's no bad thang if it's well cut and well designed.....

You are absolutely right about a good tailor /dressmaker, though. It can be difficult if you are a bit larger or tall and skinny like me to find clothes that look good on you - a good tailor/dressmaker can make all the difference.

Khash.

[xchrom]

25. they're my best friends!

i keep my -- well she's actually dress maker -- tailor very happy.

i like expensive clothes -- i want them to fit just so.

[bertha katzenengel]

49. thanks, xchrom, but my choices are extremely limited

by my finances and my locale. I could go into DC to find a dressmaker, if I had the money.

But I can get the stuff I buy tailored. A couple of others have suggested that as well.

Thanks! :hi:

[bridgit]

22. so what's wrong with a pant/jacket white shirt ensemble of some kind

:shrug: may wanna leave the sandals at home, black shoe etc, no hosiery = not required in the circles i move within...go for it

[bertha katzenengel]

50. Pants? I am infinitely more comfortable in pants, but scared to death

that they would be inappropriate.

One job I applied for is as school secretary for a private, 400-student K-12 prep school. I wish I could visit for a day to see how the staff dress.

This is why I'm inclined to go with a skirt, even though I'll feel really blecchy. Ew.

Thanks, Bridgit :hi:

[bridgit]

53. well alright, then make it below the knee or mid-calve i would think...

preferably, if it were winter i'd say 'black', maybe black anyhow, but neutral you know what i mean :-) and...

hey girl :hi: best of luck you're going to do just fine :hug: :grouphug: :kick:

[Dervill Crow]

23. Have you tried Catherine's?

I LIVE in jeans but I finally found dress pants that fit me and are comfortable and classy looking. I wear these and a tunic or cami and jacket when something is going on at work where I need to look professional.

http://catherines.charmingshoppes.com/Shopping/product.aspx?product_id=C1009498&nav=c1

[bertha katzenengel]

51. They have some very nice stuff, but after browsing for about ten min.

I didn't find anything suitable for me.

Thanks for the suggestion! :hi:

[brook]

24. I'm fond of linen...

it feels good next to your skin;it's relatively easy care - and it implies a 'classic elegance'.

I have gotten a number of good quality items from Lands End. here. Their service has also been excellent.

Couldn't link to the linen pants I wanted you to see because the link's too long, but if you go to their site and click on linen pieces, you should find them. They note that these particular pants come in 'plus'.
Worn with a cool T and un-buttoned linen big shirt + some simple jewelry, good looking (but comfortable) shoes and voila!
you're tailored, elegant and comfy.

I'm convinced that a woman looks her greatest when the clothes she's wearing feel good on...and reflect her own self...so, in the end...choose what makes you happy. Which means ixnay on the linen if it's not 'you'. :)

Good fortune! Have a great interview & knock 'em dead!

[bertha katzenengel]

52. I just looked at the linen pants you suggested --

they look fantastic, but I would have to change into them when I arrive at the interview. The "sitting wrinkles" just KILL me, and isn't linen terrible for wrinkling? I think that is the ugliest look, and to me it also looks really sloppy.

"feels good on" -- I love linen, and like your idea for an ensemble. I'm still hung up on pants v. skirts, too. Skirts do NOT feel good on, but as I whined above, I'm terrified of wearing them where they'd be seriously inappropriate.

Oh, what to do. I was supposed to take this time off to relax!

Thanks, brook. :hi:

[brook]

85. Linen does wrinkle....

That's how people can tell you're wearing 'pure Irish linen' and not some synthetic. :P:

Natural fibers are much cooler in hot weather, if that's a consideration. The 'sit' wrinkles would be hidden by the cool big (linen) shirt or a 3/4 jacket. (I know - I'm pushy - my grandaughter's friends roll their eyes & :rofl:).

Like I said before - go with whatever makes you feel like a million bucks. That translates - you'll ace the interview! Keep us posted, please.

edited for smilie inadequacies.

[bertha katzenengel]

86. Did you just change your av?

Didn't you have a Certified Lesbian Shoe (TM) up there a minute ago? (Birk)

My fave quote is by AE (I got it engraved on the back of my iPod):

"Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace." She would surely know about courage. Sigh.

[Treclo]

26. Just went through the interview thing myself

and went with tailored slacks, a frill-free top and a jacket. It took me awhile & a few trips to clothing stores, (and thrift stores, as well), to get the look right, but I had time to play with it. I felt confident and fabulous when I went in for the interview. (And I got the job! Yeah! ) IMHO, a nice suit jacket with pants/skirt look more professional than a dress.

I don't wear lots of makeup either, but I wore conservative make-up to my interview, since I wanted to look professional. I think it probably depends on the industry you are going into, but some light make-up might help polish your look. (So wrong to HAVE to do this- but some things in this life are just not fair). If make-up is not your forte, hit those make-up counters at the mall and get a free make-over! Just make sure they hear you say "light make-up for a job interview" so you don't end up with glitter blush. :)

As also was said, preparing for the interview and going in with a confident attitude are just as important. Buy clothes you feel fabulous in, psyche yourself up, and know that THEY will be LUCKY to get you! Good luck!

[bertha katzenengel]

56. Wow . . . what a great motivator you'd be

Thanks for this post (and congrats on the job!). Thanks for your ideas! :hi:

I have to forego the makeup completely, though. The only time I've ever worn makeup is for performing. It makes me feel lousy, I think I look terrible, and it's a real confidence shaker in an interview. I wore it for a job search about fifteen years ago and after the first three or four interviews, through which I stammered and kept reaching up to feel my eyelashes, I gave it up.

[khashka]

27. Locking....

As a general determination has been reached, further discussion is futile.

Kinda odd given what a contentious bunch we are.....

But we all know what Bertha should wear and with minor variations we all agree. It's a done deal :)


Khash.

[bertha katzenengel]

57. Heh. True enough, but I need to thank everyone.

I think I'm almost done. :hi:

[XemaSab]

28. Don't wear a dress if that's not your style

It will make you more uncomfortable in an already uncomfortable situation.

If you can pull off a suit with skirt or pants, do that, and if they're uncomfortable with YOU, fuck 'em, you didn't want to work for them anyways.

[bertha katzenengel]

59. thank you, XemaSab

good advice from a :patriot:

;)

[Alleycat]

29. Go with pants and a jacket

If you detest dresses it's ok to wear pants. Look for a simple solid color in say brown, black or navy with a either a blouse or a dresier T-shirt. Add some chunky beads to make it more updated. I say wear what you are comfortable in so you will feel confident and perform your best.

[bertha katzenengel]

60. Thank you, Alleycat

Miaow! :hi: thanks very much

[bertha katzenengel]

34. Hey -- would this skirt be inappropriate for a job interview??

[Zookeeper]

39. I would go for something solid...

As someone said above, you want your interviewer to really look at you rather than be distracted by your clothes.

That would be nice for dress-up, though. Or after you get the job. :hi:

Good luck on the interview, Bertha! I'm sending good thoughts your way.

[bertha katzenengel]

61. thanks again, Zoo

I really appreciate your thoughts.

[bridgit]

55. yeah, that's the one...

:bounce: cept maybe all black :thumbsup:

[bertha katzenengel]

62. can't find it in all black!

but now I have your :thumbsup: on the style - that helps

:hi:

[Yavin4]

35. What's A Chapstick Lesbian?

I'm just curious.

[Arkansas Granny]

58. I was curious, too, so I googled it. According to wikipedia:

"The phrase "chapstick lesbian" refers to a lesbian woman who wears little or no make-up and generally does not follow stereotypes of feminine beauty and style, preferring a more unisex approach to fashion."

You learn something new every day, huh.

[bertha katzenengel]

65. Hi, Granny -- Wikipedia pretty well nailed it.

Now, Wiki "gold medal dyke . . . " ;)

[Arkansas Granny]

71. Couldn't find anything on "gold medal dyke" on wiki or google

either one. Now you have my curiosity aroused.

:hi:

Edit for spelling.

[bertha katzenengel]

72. "Gold Medal Dyke" (sometimes called "Blue Ribbon Dyke") is one who

has never had sex with a man. (I add, willingly.)

:bounce: Hello, I'm a Gold Medal Dyke. Nice to meetcha! ;)

[Arkansas Granny]

77. Well, I've learned two new things today.

Hi back atchya!

:hi:

[grace0418]

111. That would make me a chapstick straight woman. LOL!

I hate makeup and high heels. I'll wear a skirt now and then, but I can wear jeans and t-shirts to work so I do nearly every day.

[bertha katzenengel]

64. Well, you know what a "lipstick lesbian" is, right?

Is very comfortable in makeup & dresses, heels, and usually tends to lean far more towards our culture's "feminine" stereotypes. NO "bad" stuff intended toward lipstick lesbians! I loooove you all . . . ;)

A "chapstick lesbian" usually wears no makeup, and may be uncomfortable in dresses. A chapstick lesbian -- at least this one -- eschews society's idea of how women are "supposed" to look and dress. I wear baseball hats a lot, and my wallet in my back pocket sometimes . . . :shrug: I feel good in ball caps and the back pocket is a convenient place for a wallet. I don't have a purse. <-- chapstick...

:hi:

edit: Arkansas Granny nailed it w/ the help of Wikipedia -- and Google, of course. (You know that when the Machines take over, they'll all have little metal stickers on their asses that read "Powered by Google," don't you? ;))

[Madrone]

67. Interesting. I wonder if that makes me a chapstick .... what?

Chapstick woman minus the lesbian? :D

:thumbsup: on the wallet in the back pocket, girlfriend. It's the ONLY way to go. Purses are laaaaaaaaame. :)

[bertha katzenengel]

69. I detest purses.

I think I'll start a poll . . . ;)

[Arkansas Granny]

74. When the machines take over? I thought they already had!

[bertha katzenengel]

75. Heh. I think you're right. For example, I haven't really shopped for

clothing for myself in a store for years . . .

Google is God. :???:

[vixengrl]

63. I know this is late, but I wanted to give a little assist--

see, whilst slender gals may have their similarities, us larger gals all have our own unique body types. I'm a 14, and larger in some things because I'm top-heavy (probably just a hair bigger than the *ahem* plus size models in Lane Bryant and Roamans who all look like tall size 12's)--if you carry your weight in the middle or up top, an A-line dress can look bulky because they flare at the bottom and are fitted at the *problem* or should I say bigger area. If you're bottom-heavy, though (and especially if you have a nice lower leg) an A-line is a nice way to go.

If you hate dressing up, the nice thing about a slacks suit is it can define the waist and cover legs, while letting a jacket define your upper body according to its proportion--a 3/4 jacket is good for skimming thighs, while a slightly shorter jacket is good for providing balance--except--

if you're like me and have wide shoulders, and bosom to match, fit has to be right. Too big and it's shapeless, too small and you can't move. Since we're in the summer months, a dressy blouse can really do the trick. Wearing a good blouse out over dress pants with good jewelry (simple but nice) can get you in under the radar as dressed but elegant. Also the nice thing about slacks is you can go for a lower heel and relax a bit, you know? And for an interview, a little relaxation doesn't hurt. Also, you can bypass the whole pantyhose thing with kneehighs (damn, I could start a thread on my hatred of control top panty hose and the rack and ruin it leaves).I'd say, most neutral, investing in dress slacks and nice blouse, jacket optional, is a good way to go, mix it with a knee length or so skirt, is a start for a professional wardrobe, and you can build on that.

A good thing to keep in mind is that sometimes accessorizing makes up for an outfit--a good handbag, nice shoes, simple but good jewelry-- oddly, details get remembered. Pair 'em with a good resume and some confidence and you should find a good fit. Best of luck interviewing!

[bertha katzenengel]

66. Not too late, Vixengirl.

In fact, it's your post that tipped me over the edge. I shall stop worrying about making a bad impression by wearing slacks and just do it. I will be too damned uncomfortable in a skirt, let alone a dress.

Now this decision-making process only took me about six hours, with a little help from my friends. Mrs. V. is also an extremely big help.

Thanks, VG :hi:

[vixengrl]

78. Glad I could help.

:hi:

Have some good, productive, and comfortable interviews, okay?

[Skittles]

70. screw it Bertha, if you don't like dresses don't wear them

women of any size can look nice in a slacks/jacket combo - just do NOT in any way try to "tent" yourself - women of size look better when they wear styled clothing, just like everyone else.

[bertha katzenengel]

73. You rock.

I agree now. Thank you!

BTW, your namesake, that furry little slut, is with kitten! :yoiks:

[Skittles]

81. BAD SKITTLES!!

be sure to name one of the kittens "Skitbit" :D

[bertha katzenengel]

83. AHhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Cute! "Skitbit!"

I love it! Heh heh....

[grasswire]

84. do you ever watch What Not To Wear?

Their standard advice includes seams in a dress or jacket that create an hourglass illusion whether or not you have one -- princess seams or a curved waist. And straight slacks with NO taper and no pleats, and a tab closure. They also recommend a slightly lowered rise so the pants don't sit on the waist but rather slightly below. And they believe heartily in a beautifully colored top beneath the jacket with some interest at the neck to draw the eye toward the face and away from a generous body.

Good luck! There's some info at their web site.

http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/whatnottowear/whatnottowear.html

[bertha katzenengel]

87. thanks, Grasswire

more good ideas :hi:

[PassingFair]

91. I DO notice that the people they dress generally

look like CRAP if they weigh over 8 lbs.

[grasswire]

92. sometimes that's true

I don't always agree with their choices -- especially nearly always wanting women to wear a high heel and show some skin. But generally, people look better after than before.

[Zookeeper]

94. I agree about the hourglass illusion....

Princess seams are very flattering. The straight, boxy look works better on very slender, tall women. IMHO.

[PassingFair]

90. When in doubt, go for "long over lean"

...try a long sleeveless dress that falls from the breasts (structured bra
may be necessary) with a longish jacket or light weight sweater
over it. Then...

Keep the jacket/sweater ON.

You can take it off for the ride home!

I swear you will look 50 lbs. lighter.

[bertha katzenengel]

99. Wouldn't such a dress make me look like a sausage, or maybe a

walking tent?

I've worn skirts that hang so damned wide from my hips, I swear I could host the Boy Scout Jamboree around my ankles . . .

[PassingFair]

113. The longer jacket/shirt/sweater provides cover for the hips.

I would rather appear a "slimmish" sausage than
a fat, ripe apple, but then, I carry my excess weight
mostly in my stomach......

The "lean" part is achieved with a TAPERED skirt, dress or pants underneath.

[Nicole]

93. Have you tried JC Penney's catalog?

I think they have better stuff than Lane Bryant. You could possibly even try them on locally?

I think something like this would work for you. Plus pants & jacket are both on sale. Gotta love that!

It comes in navy, brown, plum, black & size 26WE. (WE =women's extended size)

http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?ItemID=0f5eaa4&GrpTyp=ENS&CmCatId=597|3489|23393


I would go with the navy or brown myself. I would not get that ruffled shirt, a sleeveless shell would be more comfortable this time of year. The brown one pictured would look great with an ivory or cream shell.

[bertha katzenengel]

102. hadn't thought of JC Penney - thank you very much

I'd go for the navy or the plum - if the plum is dark enough.

You rock, Nicole :bounce:

[Nicole]

114. You're welcome

I've ordered quite a bit of clothes for my aunt from JC Penney. It's too hard trying to find her size (24)in the stores. Well it's not hard to find her size but it's hard to find her size & style at the same time.

[calico1]

100. Do you have a library near you?

If so borrow the book:

"Dress Your Best : The Complete Guide to Finding the Style That's Right for Your Body by Clinton Kelly and Stacy London. The book is separated in section according to body type. And they give a lot of good overall tips on what looks good with your body type and what doesn't. I personally think a suit of some kind always looks professional. Nowadays, you don't have to wear a skirt either. I have a very nice suit that is jacket and slacks that I have worn to interviews.

[bertha katzenengel]

105. Sure. It's a small system, and I didn't expect to find it, but

I just checked the library site and they have it. Thanks!! :bounce:

[grasswire]

112. Stacey and Clinton...

...are the hosts of What Not To Wear. FYI.

[MissMillie]

106. A-line flatters all figures

but only if it fits properly.

try to buy fitted items, as things that are loose will make you look box-y, like you're wearing a tent. (Remember that fitted is not the same as clingy.)

Trousers should fall in a straight line to the floor (as opposed to tapered against your leg) from the widest part of your hips.



I hate the way catalogues always put their clothes on models who look nothing like the women who will wear the clothes. Plus-sized catalogues do it, but so does every catalogue. We should be seeing pages of women who are sized 10 or 12, not 0 or 2. I want to know how that item will look on MY body, not on Kate Moss.

Good luck, Bertha.

[Divameow77]

107. A little late but

my mom is a plus size woman and she always has luck at C.J. Banks stores. Maybe you have on in your area...

http://www.cjbanks.com/

Good Luck on your interview :-)

[Ellen Forradalom]

108. Proper fit is very important in the larger sizes

It's not a question of size, it's a question of correct fit, such that nothing hangs or pulls. For that reason you are far better off shopping in a store rather than online, if you can manage it.

I'd be concerned that that the A-line dress give a 'tent' look, but without a try-on, you can't tell.

Don't be afraid of separates or a pantsuit, if you find one that fits properly and suits you.

[Rhiannon12866]

110. I was going to suggest that you go with some nice pants and a jacket, if

this would make you more comfortable, but the pix of the dresses that you posted seem very nice. I think what you need to do is dress in something that you would be comfortable in. If you'd hate wearing a dress, wear slacks. My point is that interviews can be stressful enough, so you want to be as comfortable as possible, and if wearing a dress would be an unnecessary distraction, I wouldn't do it. Most women wear pants to work, anyway, these days. If I sometimes wore a dress, people would ask me where I was going, LOL! Good luck with this. Wear what feels most comfortable to you, which will work to your advantage.:-)

Rhiannon:hi:

[Cobalt Violet]

117. Avenue.com has sizes 14-32.

I think A line is a pretty flattering fit as long as it is not too tight or loose (like those models).

[Samurai_Writer]

118. Does it HAVE to be a dress?

I hate wearing dresses or skirts to job interviews. They are just uncomfortable, especially if you have to wear hose with them. I usually wear some nice dress pants, a nice buttoned blouse or shirt, and a LONG jacket -- think mid-thigh or longer. The long line of the jacket is very flattering. I stick with neutral colors -- black, white, beige, khaki, etc.

I'm your size (26) but a bit taller than you -- 5'10". But I think a pants and jacket would look fine. Wear nice shoes with a low heel. I usually put on a little makeup (powder, mascara, and lipstick) for job interviews. Otherwise, I'm like you, and don't wear any makeup unless I'm in front of the camera.

Good luck!

[Bridget Burke]

119. Since you've gotten good fashion tips, how about a makeup tip?

I've become a big fan of Burt's Bees Lip Shimmers--fancier versions of Chapstick! They give a bit of color & shine & are more "forgiving" than lipstick. (I often wear lipstick, but I've had years of experience to find out which colors & textures work for me.) And they have a lovely mint flavor.

www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10751&storeId=10101&productId=14959&langId=-1&categoryId=&showSubCategory=yes

I like a bit of eye makeup--but mascara should be sufficient. And--always sunscreen! Whether you use a moisturizer with sunscreen or just the sunscreen itself--this is more than a "beauty tip."

(I agree with the others who've suggested slacks or a skirt plus a jacket, rather than the dress. If you DO venture to wear a skirt--just covering the knee is usually the best length. Mid calf is dowdy.)

Instead of a purse--consider a briefcase. There are some inexpensive versions. (Since I commute via mass transit, I usually wear a backpack.)