Carnivores: Have you ever thought about going vegetarian?

[Taverner]

The only time I ever did was after reading Peter Singer. The man makes an excellent rational argument on why eating meat is an unethical act. I still eat meat, but for the life of me I couldn't come up with a counter-argument to his.

[tjwmason]

1. If by vegetarian you mean morally opposed to eating meat...

then no.

But I have eaten a vegetarian diet for periods in the past, and I think that apart from the belief that consuming animals is wrong (which I reject) there are other reasons not to eat meat.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

2. Nope.

I like my steak waaaaaay too much. :evilgrin:
Duckie

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

3. This should be interesting.

:popcorn:

[Cannikin]

4. Thought about it. Aint gonna happen

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. I've done periods of vegetarianism,

but I like meat too much to give it up forever.

But, I can happily go days or weeks without it. My favorite food really is vegetables.

[fishwax]

50. same here

I've decided, on occasion, to take a week or month off of eating meat. I could live without it, if I had to, though I really like chicken (prepared in various ways) and pepperoni pizza. But my favorite food is pasta, so if I had to, I could easily live on pasta and veggies :)

[Zookeeper]

54. Me, too. Sometimes for years....

Then one day I decide I want to eat meat again (so I have something to put horseradish on). :shrug:

I guess I'm a serial (cereal?) vegetarian.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. One day, in her seventies, my wife decided she'd...

become a vegetarian. Took me a bit by surprise.

Now please nobody take this the wrong way, but my wife was a housewife and she did all of the cooking. And I thought this meant she wasn't going to cook meat anymore but she was very gracious about it and kept cooking me meat. But that just didn't sit right with me, it just didn't seem fair. So I decided to learn how to cook, and cook my meat for myself. And I'm glad she went vegetarian because I'd have never learned I was such a good cook.

So in other words, no I'm not going to go vegetarian, but I'm plenty happy other people do.

[jobycom]

29. Cool story. Thanks. nt

[I Have A Dream]

101. You sound like a wonderful person, Bornaginhooligan!

:thumbsup: to you!

[supernova]

7. I've gone peroids without meat

and I have had meatless days on my calendar. But I feel better when I eat meat. I feel less tired and moody.

[pitohui]

16. less tired and moody

for several years i was a vegetarian to reduce my exposure to protein and to see if i could get relief from my then v. severe allergies

god, was i ever moody during that time, esp. the first couple of months, i heard all sorts of theories as to why a veggie diet might cause one to be such a misery to all around them, but i don't know the real cause

in any event, eventually i did recover my respiratory health and now i can eat a normal diet again

thank goodness, as my husband has metabolic syndrome and must eat a low carb diet -- making meat and dairy mandatory

[Deja Q]

8. I eat meat and enjoy it. As for eating the cooked remains of dead mammals,

I've no problems either way.

Mind you, if I sat a chicken next to a peanut plant, I can guarantee several things: (warning: not PC. Not even Mac. Way beyond Linux too. You have been warned. )




1. One will make noise.
2. Both won't know what I intend to do with them. :9
3. One will still run around for a while after chopping off its top.
4. One of them will exhude emotion. The other I'd just exhume...
5. One would attempt to eat the other. So either way the vegetarian is inside all of us... though if not properly cooked, it'd be trying to peck its way out...


Holy hasenpfeffer!

:yoiks:

[Mutley]

9. I did after I read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[Momgonepostal]

19. That book almost did it for me, too

That was extremely disturbing!

[Mutley]

22. Yeah it was.

I don't think I ate meat for 6 months after that.

[txwhitedove]

10. Thought and try, yes. I admire Haruka, other DU Vegetarians,...

and LeftyMom has been an inspiration with her logic and recipes.
I happily have Vegetarian days, but am definitely an Omnivore.
Can switch to turkey bacon, etc., for health, but love burgers, fish,
chicken, pork chops. My son expects my delicious turkey on Thanksgiving.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

23. Actually, I'm a pescarian. I eat fish, so it's not fair to rank me with

the more inspirational LeftyMom & Flvegan. I do definitely limit my intake of animal products and am pretty knowlegeable about specialized diets and food allergy issues.

[LeftyMom]

46. Wow!

I'm honored and a little embarassed now. Thank you! :hug:

Now I'm going to back out of the carnivore thread slowly, 'cause I probably smell like food or something. :P

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

66. Nah, you have that tempeh smell on you. Repels carnivores.

:hug:

[LeftyMom]

47. Thank you!

:hug:

[bumblebee1]

11. I do enjoy vegetarian dinners

I see the vegetarian cuisine as a change of pace to the meat and starch thing. Luckily, I have a hubby who would eat almost anything, except mushrooms. I love mushrooms, but, I don't cook them that often for that reason. Most of the vegetarian dinners I enjoy are either pastas or soups. There are days that I just don't want to eat meat.

[Robb]

14. I'm with you

There are so many lovely meals out there, not all of them involve meat.

But I would no sooner give up meat than I would fenugreek or onions. Thousands of years of culinary history await me every time I dream up or research a meal. :P

[malta blue]

12. I spent a few months as a vegetarian when I was a child

but went back to my carnivorous ways.

I was visiting my grandfather on his farm in the Dominican Republic when I was about 8 and found him skinning the bunny I had played with all day so that we could have dinner. I read him the riot act, but alas, as a farmer, it was his way.

I have never eaten rabbit.

[bertha katzenengel]

13. Oh, hell, yes. I have started to go veg. several times. Every time I

go back to meat I feel like a failure.

[flvegan]

21. bk, love, don't think that about yourself.

Don't feel like a failure. It's not, and you're not. Forget the label and do what you can, when you can. Your mind is open to the idea, that's a huge step.

Any veg* folk give you shit about going "back to meat" then you just send them to me.

[Dangerously Amused]

27. Dude, you are the coolest.

I love how passionate you are about the cause, but then how non-judgmental and supportive you are when people struggle with it. I just really, really appreciate that about you.


:hug:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

35. I agree...

One of the few vegans who doesn't give me shit for not ever wanting to be veggie is FlVegan. I love that.
Duckie

[flvegan]

38. Well, thank you.

But I'm not the coolest. When the Fonz goes pleather, then HE is the coolesT.

EEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

[bertha katzenengel]

32. I will do that, flvegan

and thank you so much. :hug:

[cobalt1999]

15. I tried it for six months...

I was working with a number of vegetarians at the time. A couple of them told me that my desire for meat would abate after awhile. Never did. I was craving meat as much at the end as at the beginning.

I want my steak, bbq, roasted chicken, fried shrimp, ice cold oysters, pork chops, etc.

Damn, now I've made myself hungry.

[ulysses]

17. every so often. n/t

[xchrom]

18. i'm an accidental vegetarian.

there's only me -- so mostly i eat fresh veggies and fruit and skip the cooking.

maybe i fix meat once a month.

[azmouse]

20. Nope, never gave it a thought.

I like eating meat but I like well prepared vegetables, fruits and grains too.

It's all good!

[grannylib]

24. Yes...I have been told that a vegetarian diet may be helpful to me in

getting rid of the chronic hives I've had for over a year now...
I have done it for brief periods in the past, and although I have no moral objections to eating meat in general, I DO object to the way many animals are treated in factory farm situations.
I try to buy organic, free-range meats whenever I can, and I do eat mostly fish and fowl rather than red meat.

But damn, in summer especially, I really DO love a good steak on the grill...

[Mutley]

25. Wouldn't we be omnivores?

I mean, I do eat vegetables, too.

[Xipe Totec]

30. Is eating beef moorder?

I'm cross threaded, sorry!

:evilgrin:

[StellaBlue]

26. Was for about a year and a half

Still think it's best, but don't have the willpower at the moment to take on anything else new. Will probably go veg again in the next couple of years, though.

I was vegan except for cheese for a while.

I can think of no good arguments for meat eating (in our North American context). Read The Philosophy of Christmas by Steven Law - he has a great dinner-table tableau which hits all the points anyone might use to object to vegetarianism.

[HughBeaumont]

28. Vegan for four months, vegetarian for two years.

Couldn't do it either time. Felt especially shitty during the vegan days. John Robbins' book Diet for a New America got me on that kick about 11 years ago. Since I hate beans, there really wasn't a whole lot to eat beyond nuts, fruit, vegetables (and their juice) and grain. I made a few things, but nothing that I'd call a substantial meal. I more or less ate in snacks. Yes I lost weight, but at the same time I was tired, starving all the time, had zero energy and motivation and blacked out a lot. It wasn't uncommon for me to sleep for 10-12 hours during that period. My body reacted very negatively to the experience. It would probably be better if I had known how to cook bean-less veggie dishes. After four months, I couldn't take it anymore. I gorged on 12 plates of food at Pondo, much of it wings.

I was a vegetarian for two years, couldn't really do that with consistency either. My body didn't repel the cuisine as much as when I was a vegan, but it didn't make me happy either. I simply couldn't contain my craving for BBQ ribs and chicken and felt like I was kidding myself to pretend not to want to eat a full slab of baby backs. I barbecue ribs for a hobby and you best believe I consume my work. I won't eat anything for 24 hours before a smoking, which is how I manage to not blow up like a balloon because of this.

Right now, I keep everything in moderation and eat nothing but fruit and water before lunch. I only eat one huge meal a day, be it lunch or dinner, and some form of animal product, sorry to say, is on the menu. I'm meant to be omnivorous, and that's just the way it be.

[adriennui]

31. all the time

i am morally opposed to eating meat and i've pretty much limited myself to fish, fruits and vegetables but there are times i actually crave steak or bacon and i loathe myself for being so weak.

[fujiyama]

33. I was raised vegetarian

and all the food we ate at home is completely free of meat.

But since I was young, I ate meat outside of the house (and without the knowledge of my mom, who wouldn't be happy about my omniverous ways). While I don't cook meat, I really love chicken and fish occassionally. I rarely eat pork or beef, unless it's all that's available.

I've comr to the conclusion that humans don't necessarily need meat for a healthy diet. There are plenty of healthy alternatives to get the required protein, especially if you are into a variety of ethnic and international dishes.

But meat in moderation does make it easier to get various other nutrients, that are more difficult to attain otherwise.

I never understood, why people (either vegetarians or omnivores), make a big deal about others' dietery habbits. Unless there is a legitimate concern of another person's health (eating disorder, obesity, etc) , what someone else eats is a silly thing to be concerned about.

[SeattleGirl]

34. I would probably starve to death.

Not that I don't like veggies; I do, but not enough of them to sustain me. And yes, I know that being vegetarian doesn't mean just eating veggies; it includes other non-meat products. The biggest reason for me, I suppose, is that I don't know enough about eating vegetarian to be able to get through every day without eating being a big production.

[mark414]

36. might i ask how eating meat is an unethical act?

i'm not arguing i'm just curious...

[darkism]

51. It's not, despite what some here might have you think.

n/t

[unpossibles]

64. it's not, although it can be argued based on two things

1 - that our current farming techniques are unhealthy for all involved: the animal, the consumer, and mostly the environment

2 - that although we are omnivores, our western diet is far too meat-centric, and that because of that, we treat animals poorly.


Personally, even though I am mostly vegan (there have been times that I have eaten small amounts of animal products such as cheese or various proteins on accident or to be polite), I have no problem with people eating what they want as long as they give me the same respect. As I said, I do believe we are omnivores, although I don't think meat was meant to be the central point in anyone's diet for every meal, and I personally feel better physicially when I don't eat it. I originally lowered my meat eating because of poverty, and found I lost the taste for it; I have tried a bite of it once or twice in the past few years and found it to not be appetizing at all, but that is me.

Eat what you want, as long as you are aware of what you are eating, and the fact that a heavy meat based diet does have a higher environmental footprint and potential health problems. And to be honest, I look at it this way: do what you can and don't feel guilty about it either way.

peace out!

[mark414]

78. yes that is true

i have/have had many vegan/vegetarian friends and almost unanimously their decisions came from the practices of the meat industry, or for personal health reasons, as opposed to a belief that eating meat was somehow unethical.

i eat and love my meats though i always do try to buy organic/natural and buy from small, local farmers when i'm able

but yer right - it's not eating meat that's unethical, it's the practices of the factory farms that bring us the meat that's unethical

[jonnyblitz]

37. I was one a few times but I backslid and never went back.

at least I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. :P

[Xipe Totec]

39. Cows are practically vegetables

So, in a way, yes.

[Critters2]

83. Except for that central nervous system which makes them aware

of the horrors of factory farms and slaughter houses. Other than that, they're just like carrots!

:eyes:

[Xipe Totec]

85. Do you know that for a fact?

or are you guessing?

And do cows and other ruminants suffer less when they are put down by a pride of lions and eaten alive?



:evilgrin:

[Critters2]

86. Lions are not my ethical role models

Are they yours? You should set your standards higher

[Xipe Totec]

87. Aren't you placing yourself on a pedestal?

Who gave you dominion over all other creatures and made you different?

are you claiming a special role in the universe for Humans?

If so, on what grounds?

[Critters2]

89. I can decide what's ethical and what isn't

unlike lions....or you, apparently.

[Xipe Totec]

91. What makes you think I didn't chose freely?

are you the only human endowed with God given free will?

[flvegan]

93. It would seem, at least to me

that a lion (your example) would "put down" a ruminant for a reason: survival.

Largely, when a ruminant is "put down" for a human, it's also for a reason: taste.

Seems like a big difference to me. Need v. want.

[Xipe Totec]

96. I don't think you are in a position to judge

whether I eat meat because I need it or because I want it, or both.

Have you considered the possibility that cows exist because humans eat them?

As a species, cows don't have a snowball's chance to survive in the wilderness.

It may very well be that cows have evolved to manipulate humans to propagate their own species.

[flvegan]

97. Okay

Four statements are made here. The last three have nothing to do with the first one, which in the most part can be proven. It's true that I don't know exact specifics, which is why I didn't allude to any. Thanks. I'm not judging, I just made a statement, to wit, conclusions were jumped to, nastiness was escalated...

Is it then safe to say that dinosaurs don't "exist" because humans don't eat them?

Wilderness? Most PEOPLE don't have a snowball's chance to survive "in the wilderness" (until they eat each other).

What creature would evolve to abused further and with a greater extreme?

[Xipe Totec]

98. I'm not being nasty, just pointing out facts

You made a judgment call, unsupported by facts. I just pointed it out.

Dinosaurs predate humans so that's a red herring.

People can, and do in fact live in the wilderness. They just chose not to. Cows and other 'domesticated' plants and animals can't.

Abuse is another judgment call. Ruminants are entirely dependent on the bacteria that grow in their guts for their nourishment. Are they abusing bacteria? Define abuse. Where's the contract?

We live in a web of life. We are not God's special creatures. We eat and in turn are eaten. That is true for animals and plants. we hold no special moral place in creation.

[flvegan]

99. No

Need v. want isn't a judgment call. You went strawman. I tried to work around it, and it's been made such that I can't.

Prove need. That's it, that's all.

To suggest that abuse is a judgment call, then to ask if a cow is abusing bacteria, is almost (almost) laughable at best. Since this is your red herring, I'll let you define abuse. Your terms, you decide and state what abuse is.

[Xipe Totec]

103. easy

There's no such thing as abuse when it comes to nourishment. That is a social convention and changes with the seasons. So, who decides? I decide when it comes to my choices, you decide yours.

I do not need to prove need. You stated I have no need. Prove that.

I don't think eating cow is any more abusive than eating carrot. I'm sure carrots would rather not be eaten either. But they have no choice, neither does the cow, and neither do we, for that mater.

Laugh if you will at the analogy with bacteria. That's certainly easier that explaining why it is abusive to eat a cow, but not a carrot, or why it is not abusive to enslave bacteria in you gut and live on the byproducts of their work.

Are you saying size matters? :evilgrin:

[flvegan]

104. Hmmm...

No such thing as abuse when it comes to nourishment...on certain terms. Those prepositional phrases CAN be a bit of a problem, I know.

I stated need v. want. You tried going around it. When you provide some info as to why you think you "need" it, I'll work with you. Otherwise, it's really just spin.

Carrots? And what choice, specifically, do we not have...to not be eaten?

And yes, size does matter. I'd like Britney Spears to be photographed only wearing things she did NOT pick out of the 3T size section of the Harrods/Saks she just went to.

[Xipe Totec]

107. LOL!

I liked that last statement. Re Britney.

need vs. want: I posit that maintaining a balanced healthy vegan diet is a complex endeavor, and mistakes can go unnoticed and cause health risks. A balanced diet that contains some animal protein, on the other hand, is less complex, easier to manage, and therefore less dangerous. I am not an obligatory meat eater, but I do need to supplement my diet with moderate amounts of animal protein. If I eat too little protein, I loose muscle mass. If I eat too much, particularly cow, I get uric acid blisters on my hands. So I seldom eat cow, mostly fish, some chicken, no eggs.

choice: When you die, if you're not eaten by a large carnivore, you will be food for maggots, fungi, and eventually plants. All part of the cycle of life. You have no choice in the mater, that's just the way it is. If you were a vegan, you'll eventually reincarnate (so to speak) as a carrot. If you're a carnivore, you'll probably come back as grass and be eaten by a cow.

To which I say, bring it on, cow! :evilgrin:

[flvegan]

108. Well stated.

Complex? Yes, can be. I'd suggest that "less dangerous" is not inherently correct in the long run.

As for losing muscle mass, we should talk, one on one. I'm big on muscle mass. Uric acid blisters? That seems...well, odd. Why so?

Bacteria is the top of the food chain. The sooner we all embrace it, the better. Reincarnation is a belief, too. Not saying I don't believe in it (I don't really know/have an ideal here).

However, I have so say this...if you're one that eats meat ("carnivore") and you come back as grass, and I'm a carrot, then might we be eaten by the same cow, and therefore become, egads...as one in cow dung?

[smoogatz]

40. I've had two vegetarian girlfriends...

does that count?

[darkism]

53. How did that go over?

It seems that all of the cute liberal girls I can find - EVERY SINGLE ONE - is a freaking vegetarian and would definitely not approve of my carnivorous ways.

[smoogatz]

62. Not all vegetarians are judgmental.

Though a great many, in my experience, do seem to think it's perfectly okay to make rude comments about your steak as you're eating it. Thank God my wife is a confirmed omnivore.

[unpossibles]

65. exactly

although to be fair, I have gotten more crappy comments about my diet from meat eaters than I have ever witnessed the other way around. Yes, there are some who will be rude and moo at you when you are eating, but I generally avoid those people. Most of my veggie friends are very polite and usually don't even mention their diets unless someone asks.

[Critters2]

80. There's nothing ruder on the planet

than an insecure carnivore. I have one colleague who acts like it's a personal affront when I order a boca burger. Jerk.

[NewWaveChick1981]

41. I tried, but I just couldn't give up meat completely.

I have cut back tremendously on the amount of meat I eat, but I don't think I could become a vegetarian or vegan. I admire folks who can do that. :) I eat more non-meat protein now than I ever used to, though.

[Neshanic]

42. I am filing down my canines right now....

[deucemagnet]

43. I thought about it briefly, about 10 years ago.

Morally, I have no problem eating meat. I'm more concerned about the environmental effects of a society that overconsumes meat. I love vegetarian dishes, and I eat much less meat than I used to. I occasionally go for days without meat, but I'm too much of a foodie to give up some of my favorite dishes, although I rarely consume more than 4-6 ounces of meat or fish at any meal.

[REP]

44. I Did It, Briefly

It made me very sick. Not because there is anything unhealthy about vegetarian diets, or because I was eating an unhealthy vegetarian diet but because I have some very serious illnesses that make a vegetarian diet not the best choice for me. It is just as well, I suppose; I do enjoy meat and buy from humane sources, such as Niman Ranch. I find myself having meatless days each week, and I rarely have meat at every meal, but I admit - I like meat.

[UncleSepp]

45. I've done it on and off, longest was about five years

I started exercising a lot, and just plain got hungry one day and had a roast beef sandwich. I hear that can make some people quite ill after so long of not eating red meat, but it didn't happen to me.

Unfortunately, I do not seem to be able to keep on much muscle mass eating a diet without meat and fish in it, and I do not sleep as well or have as much energy. I can also get quite chunky on a vegetarian diet, or a mostly vegetarian one. This is with careful planning and calculation, diet books and recipes, and all that stuff. It just doesn't work for me.

[Hissyspit]

48. I tried. Made it 3 months. Couldn't keep doing it.

Singer is brilliant and he's right, but meat is addictive and I'm an addict.

[Broken_Hero]

49. Nope never...n/t

[darkism]

52. No chance in hell. I'd rather suck on a urinal cake.

I eat too much meat to ever give it up, plus "moral vegetarians" annoy the crap out of me with their "meat is murder" talk.

[wickerwoman]

55. I tried for a few months

as a teenager. The problem was that I didn't really like vegetables, so my version of vegetarianism involved potato chips, Reeses peanut butter cups and soda. Didn't work out so great.

I'd consider going vegetarian as long as I didn't have to give up cheese or eggs. I don't eat that much meat anyway- chicken a few times a week, steak maybe once a month. The rest of the time I eat fish.

[RebelOne]

56. I have been a vegetarian for 10 years now.

Though I do occasionally have fish, so I'm not 100% vegetarian.

[datasuspect]

57. i like my steak extremely rare

just a singe on the outside. i want blood to ooze out of that muscle tissue.

getting a good heat level is important, but damn i love nearly raw meat.

one of my faves is smearing raw hamburger (with garlic and onions) on some rye bread with horseradish and mustard. YUMMAY!!!!

[Bridget Burke]

67. If you like raw hamburger, PLEASE grind the meat yourself.

At the very least, don't buy pre-packaged ground beef. Ask the butcher to grind it, then eat it ASAP.

Unless you like food poisoning. (I speak from experience.)

[Name removed]

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[flvegan]

105. *snort*

[Fox Mulder]

59. I tried it about a month ago, but I failed.

I'll never be a vegetarian/vegan. I fucking hate the taste of soy and vegetables. :puke:

[noonwitch]

60. I went macrobiotic once for a month

I felt like I was going crazy. No meat, no cheese, ugh!

[leftyladyfrommo]

61. I think about it everytime I eat meat.

I don't eat any meat at all lots of days.

[Blue-Jay]

63. A good burger will usually put crazy thoughts like that to rest.

I don't eat a lot of meat, but I don't feel like giving it up either.

[Bridget Burke]

68. I'm an omnivore, not a carnivore.

I certainly don't mind that some folks are vegetarian. There are rational arguments in their favor.

And I do limit my intake. I'll pass up several servings of "ground meat" if I can have a fine steak once in a while.

Doubt I could ever go vegan, though. Veggies cooked in a bit of olive oil over pasta? Fine--but you'll have to pry my cold, dead hands off the parmesan...

[scarlet_owl]

69. I was a vegetarian for three years.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

70. Yes, I have.

I have been slowly phasing meat out, but I'm not sure I'll ever get to becoming a full vegetarian. I just like meat too much, quite frankly. But I'd do it because it's healthier, not for ethical reasons.

[Taverner]

71. Surprised no one here has heard of Peter Singer

He's #1 enemy for big biz...Steve Forbes even refused to speak at colleges where he has spoken...

[REP]

72. I've Heard of Him

I just don't completely agree with him on this issue. Got nothing bad to say about him, though.

[calico1]

73. Yes I have thought about it, but

don't know how and avoid soy too. I don't like the idea of consuming soy products so what would that leave for protein sources?

[Critters2]

84. Why do you avoid soy?

Most of my cousins raise soy beans for a living, so I eat all I can get!

[calico1]

88. Don't like the taste, hate tofu,

soy burgers, dogs, etc. and also I have read a number of articles that give me pause as to the safety of soy products. Not everyone thinks soy is great and safe. Even if it was it does me no good since I don't like it.

[jobycom]

90. Legumes, grains, many vegetables. Protein is the building block

of all life, including plant life, so you get plenty of proteins. Whole grains are high in protein, beans are high, all vegetables have some. Several world class athletes have been vegetarian, including record holders in everything from track to weight lifting. If protein wasn't an issue for them, it isn't for you.

One of many links with some names. http://www.alphaomegafood.com/vegetarian_athletes.htm

[Kali]

74. the counter "argument" is the aroma of a steak over mesquite coals.

That is humorous on the surface, but there is a reason you have a real physiological reaction (drooling) to that smell.

[Taverner]

79. Oh I agree...I still love meat

There is a comprimise I could come to by eliminating Mammals from my diet.

I really don't feel the same ethical responsibility for fish and chickens.

But that would eliminate baby back ribs.....:cry:

[seemunkee]

75. I've cut way back, but doubt if I will completely quit

Since my son is vegan(currently away at school) and daughter is vegetarian I fix a lot of vegetarian meals but can't seem to get away from meat completely. I'm down to beef once a week and chicken or fish once a week.

[Beware the Beast Man]

76. ovo-lacto? perhaps. vegan? no.

[T_i_B]

77. Never

[RandomKoolzip]

81. I went vegan for a couple months. Ended up losing some weight.

This was back around january/february of this year. I even posted about it on DU.

But I was bored shitless by the limited choices of food, plus it's difficult to be vegan when you work as a line cook for a living and are surrounded by food you have to taste before you can put it out. So I went back to eating CERTAIN meats/non-vegan foods (I don't eat red meat, I'm allergic to fish, and pork grosses me out), and I've managed to keep the weight off.

I really don't give a fuck about the "ethics" of eating meat. I just care about being healthy.

[Critters2]

82. I'm vegan in my home,

vegetarian when eating out.

For 6 years now. My dog's vegan, too, more than me.

I had a grilled portobello sandwich at a local steakhouse the other night that made me wonder why anyone thinks it's necessary to eat dead animals.

[Kali]

92. I don't think necessity is really the main issue.

Meat tastes good to the vast majority of human beings on this planet. It's packed with nutrients and goes great with dead vegetables.

[Critters2]

94. Doesn't taste good to me

And it's packed with nutrients, cholesterol and saturated fat. I prefer a plant-based diet.

[Beaverhausen]

95. I wonder if the upcoming film version of "Fast Food Nation" will effect

...anyone's opinions here. Should be interesting.

[undeterred]

100. I tried.

But when I tried I was using a cookbook and there just weren't even a dozen things in there that I really liked. I was bored. I did not look forward to eating. I craved meat. I felt bad that I couldn't adjust to it, but I couldn't.

I do eat less meat than I used to.

[flvegan]

102. I can definitely feel that.

It seems that so many of the cookbooks, either:
*Have recipes that take too long, or;
*Involve ingredients that I don't know anything about, or;
*Are just too damn complicated.

And then, after spending an hour shopping, then 2 hours creating, a dish that doesn't taste good, hell yes, I'd be not only bored, but pissed.

Don't feel bad, though. No sense in that.

[undeterred]

106. One vegetarian told me

don't try to make a meat substitute. I made a lentil burger, and it just made me want a real hamburger even more.

I try to imagine the look my dog would give me if I gave him some pretend meat.

[RoyGBiv]

109. Nope n/t

[outofbounds]

110. I've never seen an interview with a person over 100 yrs old

that said they were a vegan. I haven't seen a lot of thees interviews but the question seems to find its way into the interview. I'm not saying there aren't any, just that i haven't seen one. And I love meat.

[LeftyMom]

111. Since you mentioned it

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-chinas-happy-vegetarian-turns-120-/2006/04/26/1610597.htm

I don't know what sort of vegetarian she is though.

[outofbounds]

112. Now I have.

120 yr old. I dont want to live that long.

[Benfea]

113. "Carnivore"?

Uhm, do you know any actual carnivorous humans? If you do, I'm real curious as to how they're able to survive on a diet of only meat. I'm an omnivore, thank you very much, and no, I don't entertain thoughts of going vegetarian.

[Kali]

114. I think the traditional Inuit diet was pretty close.

My younger son is pretty close...:evilgrin:

[Benfea]

115. "Close"?

Uh-huh.

There haven't been any proper carnivorous humanoids since Neanderthals. :P