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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:52 PM
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Poll question: The single best film ever made:
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 10:57 PM by bob_weaver
If your choice is not on this poll, please reply with your choice.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:53 PM
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1. Without Amadeus on the list, I refuse to answer. nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:17 PM
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16. Anybody who likes AMADEUS as a top-choice film is
A-OK with me.

Terrific script from Shaffer's play.

That film was a world-changer.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:53 PM
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2. Not too crazy about any of them...
I thought about half of them were boring. :shrug:
Duckie
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:53 PM
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3. The Seven Samurai is on there twice?
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:55 PM
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5. That makes 14 of them?
Hmmm

RL
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:58 PM
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8. Sorry, my bad - copy and paste error
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:54 PM
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Can't answer
Because I haven't seen any of them
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:54 PM
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4. There is no such thing as the single best film ever made.
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 10:55 PM by Hissyspit
Not meaning to be wet blanket!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:20 PM
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17. Logically, there has to be. Whether humans can grasp what it is
is another subject.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:04 AM
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21. Why, logically, does there have to be?
Edited on Sun Jul-23-06 12:04 AM by Hissyspit
Define "best."

There are so many facets and factors to what it is that artworks are produced for, what their "purpose" is, that one movie would never fulfill any criteria for best in any of them. There are many objective factors, but there are many subjective ones as well. What criteria are you basing "best" on? Why is your criteria more important than mine, or Orson Welles, for instance? What values expressed by the movie are "better" than other values?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:09 AM
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22. Best means best.
The very fact that there is more than one film means there has to be a best, whether a human can choose it properly or not. Don't make me pull out Anselm's Proof here! I ain't afraid to use it! It works for God, it can work for movies! :rofl:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:22 AM
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23. Sometimes things are just DIFFERENT
Which is the best animated film based on a Dr. Seuss work? "Horton Hears A Who" or "How The Grinch Stole Christmas?"

And there is no God, so it doesn't work for her either. :P
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:26 AM
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24. But, Anselm prooves it!
He proves there is a God, but he forgets to prove what God is.

Same with best. There has to be a best, by definition, even if you can't prove what is best.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:58 AM
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26. Don't make me bring out Gaunilo's Island.
And Hume. Or Douglas Gasking's handicap argument.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:18 AM
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28. Gaunilo misunderstood the proof.
Gasking was just bizarre. Hume--I'm still working on his. I feel like he misunderstood the argument, too, but then again, he's Hume, so I can't swear it. Hume and Anselm both had an almost supernatural essence to their works, almost requiring a moment of enlightenment to fully grasp them. I haven't figured out Hume's moment of enlightenment on Anselm, yet, so I can't be sure he's wrong.

Weird. I'm an atheist defending proof of a God. Still, there's definition of what god is proven.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:31 PM
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54. You're making a fatal error
The "absolute best" that you're proposing absolutely requires an objective measure by which best-ness is determined. Lacking that absolute measure, no definitive statement can be made about the absolute best-ness of anything.

Even the "humans can't grasp it" mantra doesn't help you, because then you're just begging the question (ie., "you can't comprehend it, so that prove that it doesn't exist").

Sorry, but until you prove that the objective measure does exist, we can't allow it into the argument. And if you claim that we just can't comprehend it, then all subsequent claims based upon it are statements of faith of no logical value.



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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:57 PM
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6. The Shawshank Redemption is winning with two votes??
Please! Expand your cultural awareness, people.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:57 PM
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7. all the pretty horses
what else can I say? I love horses:P
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:58 PM
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9. Walk The Line
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:59 PM
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10. The Godfather
n/t
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:00 PM
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11. My PERSONAL favorite......
The Shawshank Redemption......

Just IMHO.......
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:01 PM
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12. sensesofcinema.com compiled 513 "top ten lists" and came up with:
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 11:02 PM by bob_weaver
By film:

1. Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) 100 lists
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) 57 lists
3. Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) 56 lists
4. La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) 42 lists
5. Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) 41 lists
6. 8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) 40 lists
7. Sunrise (F. W. Murnau, 1927) 38 lists
8. Playtime (Jacques Tati, 1967) 35 lists
9. Au Hasard, Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) 34 lists
tied with Taxi Driver (Martin Scorsese, 1976) 34 lists
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:02 PM
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13. Rafaelson outdid himself with FIVE EASY PIECES. I still see Karen Black a
Rayette at the filling station, looking around in the cold wind for Jack Nicholson's Bobby, and all the the film Tammy Wynette and Chopin duking it out for soundtrack dominance.

Just a hell of a great film.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:08 PM
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14. Mulholland Drive gets my vote, but I"m a total Lynch fanboy, so you know..
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:16 PM
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15. Another top-drawer favorite is Franco Zefferelli's ROMEO AND JULIET.
The cast was absolutley alluring, Mancini's score was lovely, the set was perfect, and whoever that script writer was seemed to have a lot on the ball...
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:25 PM
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19. ohhh yes that was a good one and the musical score was good
too as I recall:thumbsup:
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:22 PM
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18. 2001: A Space Odyssey
:bounce:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:31 PM
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20. Last Year at Marienbad.
No, only joking.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:29 AM
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25. No Blues Brother or did the sequel automatically kill it from the list.
In all honesty I want to say cassablanca and give a shout to Superman One as well.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:17 AM
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27. Am I the only one that HATED Citizen Kane?
I couldn't make it past the first half hour.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:24 AM
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33. No, I pretty much hate it, too.
I mean, it's an okay film, but it's hardly worth the laudes it continues to receive.

One thing about CK that's hard to refute, however, is that it completely revolutionised practical cinematography; if you notice, many of the interior scenes include rooms with real ceilings, which allowed those scenes to be shot on-location. Previous cinematographers tended to use so much light that interior sets had to be purpose-built for filming, with no ceilings (to allow additional lighting). In that respect, Kane is revolutionary, and there hasn't been a technological advance in lighting since then, except maybe Lars von Trier's/Dogma 95's minimalism.

But the movie itself? Meh.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:25 AM
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34. No, I pretty much hate it, too.
I mean, it's an okay film, but it's hardly worth the laudes it continues to receive.

One thing about CK that's hard to refute, however, is that it completely revolutionised practical cinematography; if you notice, many of the interior scenes include rooms with real ceilings, which allowed those scenes to be shot on-location. Previous cinematographers tended to use so much light that interior sets had to be purpose-built for filming, with no ceilings (to allow additional lighting). In that respect, Kane is revolutionary, and there hasn't been a technological advance in lighting since then, except maybe Lars von Trier's/Dogma 95's minimalism.

But the movie itself? Meh.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 09:24 AM
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36. I didn't like it either, I only included it in the poll list because...
...if I didn't I'm sure I would have caught hell for it. Of the 10 films in the poll list, it would be my last choice.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:04 AM
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29. None of these...nt
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:17 AM
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30. The Godfather, Part II
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:35 AM
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43. my vote too.
The weaving of the two stories together successfully was amazing and I haven't seen something like that done before or since.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 02:19 AM
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49. It really is amazing, and moreso considering how well established the
characters were from the first movie. It is both sequel and prequel, and either of those alone would be difficult to do well. And as you say they are woven together so well. I just love that movie.

Another thing that has always amazed me about that movie is DeNiro's Vito Corleone--he had to not only play the young Vito, but since Brando had defined the old Vito so well, DeNiro had to play the young Brando as well. I really thought his interpretation of Vito was amazing, and he certainly deserved his oscar for that role.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:19 AM
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31. What?! No "Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill!"?!
Philistines.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:29 AM
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41. I was going to include that one, but I thought I might be ridiculed for it
"Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" is my favorite action film of all time, and I think it deserves a place on the top 10 or 15 films of all time, but I was afraid of being lambasted for including it - people on this web site can be merciless and intolerant. I'm glad you added it as a reply, because it is the best action-adventure movie of all time, in my opinion. My friend Forrest has an autographed VHS copy of it that he bought directly from the hands of Russ Meyer about 10 years ago (for about $80).
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:23 AM
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32. Although I like "The Godfather"..
..I find these kind of discussions to be specious. There's so many good movies it's hard to justify one being the king of the hill. I can identify what makes a movie great or better than another, but it's a little much to go beyond that.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:29 AM
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35. I think there are some contemporary films which will prove to be...
...just as worthy of being called "Best" as any of these classics.

I'm referring to Reservoir Dogs, Hard-Boiled, Star Wars (the first one from 1977), Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, A Clockwork Orange, Casino, Ran, Taxi Driver, and on and on and on.

I also have a soft-spot for "African Queen", which never makes it on to these lists, but should.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 09:27 AM
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37. Bill and Ted are conspicuously absent from the field. This survey is
fatally flawed. I cannot work under these conditions.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 09:35 AM
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38. Perhaps we could include a few Pauly Shore movies to boot? :P -NT
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 09:36 AM
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39. Sure. To boot
through the window. :P
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:33 AM
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42. That's why I encouraged people to reply with their own choice if it is not
listed... what makes it fatally flawed is that you only get 10 slots when you create the poll - I could easily have filled in 50 slots if they would have let me.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:40 AM
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46. Yes, curse that 10 spot maximum!
In that case, Apocalypse Now, though there're others I could also name and I agree that what is 'best' is both subjective and varying even within the range of one person's criteria.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:11 AM
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40. None of the above...for me it's a three-way tie between
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
The Lion in Winter
Rebecca


I could watch those over and over and over and over
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:36 AM
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44. Animal House
Best movie ever.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:37 AM
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45. ISHTAR!!!
:rofl:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:42 AM
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47. I feel sorry for Ishtar
it really wasn't that bad of a movie.

:shrug:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 12:00 PM
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48. "Singing In The Rain"
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querelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:14 AM
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50. Blade Runner
But it has to be Ridley Scott's director's cut. Way better than the theatrical release.

Q
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:36 PM
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56. Love the director's cut!
Still, it has a few shortcomings that keep it out of the top spot on all-time-best list, but it's way up there regardless.
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dback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:11 PM
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51. You can always tell when white guy geeks make these lists
Over at the IMDB, the top films are things like "Shawshank" "The Godfather" "Star Wars" "Lord of the Rings" and Kubrick and Tarantino. It's like an echo chamber, same stuff over and over.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:20 PM
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52. Hard question, to answer...
best movie of all time, what a task...so, I will cheat, and name three, IMO that are the best...

1. Gladiator

2. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

3. Grapes of Wrath
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:23 PM
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53. Rebecca n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:33 PM
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55. i dont see Showgirls on here
:popcorn:
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 01:31 PM
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57. My choices
Best Story: Godfather, Ikiru, Seven Samurai,

Best Cinematography: Cranes are Flying (Mikhail Kalatozov 1957) I am Cuba (Kalatozov again, 1964)

Dr. Zhivago,

Best Editing: Goodfellas, For a Few Dollars More

Honorable Mention for just Fun to Watch: Any Zatoichi film, Zoolander, Rock & Roll High School
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