Agh! How do vegans do it?

[ZombieNixon]

We're out of cheese, people. No. Cheese. Now, my parents are vegetarian (not vegan), so I've suppressed my meat cravings when I'm at home and indulge when I go out, but hell, I'm used to that, but I guess I forgot to put cheese on the grocery list so when my dad did the food shopping last night, he didn't get cheese.

No cheese!! WAAAAH!! Where's my substantive food? No meat, OK, hell, I'm used to that, but not cheese...please, anything but that!! :cry:

Come back to me, cheese, I love you!! :(

[sbj405]

1. I'm mostly vegan now. I used to crave cheese.

I used to eat hunks of it. After a few days, the cravings go away.

[ZombieNixon]

5. What else is there that has substance?

My body type and metabolism doesn't permit me to live on vegetable products alone...after a while I start to go into hibernation.

Edit: we're also out of pasta. x(

[sbj405]

9. It's about calories.

Per calorie, vegetables have more nutritional value than most other foods. You just need to eat more (by weight) to get the same number of calories.

If you feel like you need protein/fat, try nuts or a pb sandwich.

[ZombieNixon]

10. I just finished eating all the nuts in the house.

I think it's not just cheese, we're pretty much out of everything. Apparently my dad doesn't need to eat, so next time my mom's out of town and I'm here, I'm doing the groceries.

[sbj405]

12. Are you really hungry or just bored?

[ZombieNixon]

16. It's 4:30 PM, I haven't eaten for five hours.

It's hunger.

[driver8]

38. So carry your ass to Burger King and get something to eat!!

Whatever you get, make sure it has cheese on it!!

[jobycom]

2. Eating cheese

Makes baby Jesus cry.

[ZombieNixon]

3. Good. Dude pissed on me when I was a kid.

I've never forgiven him. :grr:

[jobycom]

7. Ah, the famous

Piss Christ

[txwhitedove]

4. Dayum. Poor Jesus has been cursed, mouth washed out with soap,

ran out of cheese, and now he's crying... We're all going to HELL.

:shrug:

[jobycom]

6. It's not nice to fool baby Jesus!

I'm so going to Hell for this, aren't I?

[flvegan]

8. Walk towards the veg light...

It's okay...we won't hurt you...

Cooommmme heeeeeerrrrreee, Zooommmmmmmmmmbiiiieeeeeeee...

The room will stop spinning eventually. All sounds have echoes, here.

[ZombieNixon]

13. I tried it once.

I couldn't pull it off. Ovo-lacto I did for years, and I could easily go back to it and often unconsciously do for months on end. Vegan I can't pull off, especially when there's things like eggs and cheese in the house. I think it's because I was raised Hindu, which is damn impossible to do without milk.

I have enormous respect for vegans, but I can't do it. At least not at this stage of life. :shrug:

[flvegan]

23. I hear you.

BTW, cheese is the toughest thing to try to replace, at least in my opinion.

[LeftyMom]

27. Agreed nt

[LynzM]

45. Same kind of feelings here, ZN

I think I could go veg, and we're slowly working in that direction... but vegan? Nope. No way am I ready, or desiring, to go there, at least not now.

[ZombieNixon]

14. Dupe damn it!

x(

[KurtNYC]

11. Whatever you do, don't eat less than 1200 calories per day

or you will send your body into a low metabolism / high fat storage mode.

What do vegetarians feed their cats?

[ZombieNixon]

17. Believe it or not, my parent's have trained one cat to eat vegetables.

Not in place of the meat, but in addition to.

The other cat won't touch anything green, though.

[flvegan]

25. Actually, our cats

eat meat (cat food). Allegedly, there are vegetarian (even vegan) cat foods. I just don't know how long they've been studied. Cats, as honest to goodness carnivores get meat around here.

All the dogs here are vegetarian, though.

[China_cat]

35. If cats don't get meat

they go blind. Not long before they die.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

49. Yeah, I had a kitty that I rescued off the streets

Turned out she was blind due to severe protein deficiency.

She lived for several years after I had her though. Maybe cause I put her on a high-protein diet after I found out why she was blind? Dunno...

[China_cat]

56. The lack of protein wasn't the cause.

The lack of taurine was. Unfortunately, synthesized taurine just doesn't do the job. Cats like lots of things...including grasses and grains but obligate carnivores get no nutrition from them. They're only good for preventing constipation and helping get rid of hairballs.

Getting that kitten back on the diet she needed is what kept her alive. And when kept in an environment that doesn't change much, blind animals do quite well.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

57. Yeah, that's what the cat opthamologist I took her to said

They told me that taurine is a type of protein.

(I simplified as I couldn't remember the exact name off the top of my head.)

[China_cat]

60. It's an amino acid.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

39. Most feed them a standard diet.

I've always fed my cats regular cat food. Hell, tonight the cats ate venison cat food. Even when I had my python it got fed mice. Animals have their requirements and I feel if someone is uncomfortable with that, then they shouldn't have that animal. Personally, I don't feel it's safe to feed a cat a vegetarian diet. They are complete carnivores by nature. Dogs are naturally omnivores and can do well on a vegetarian diet. I've never had a dog on a vegetarian diet, but it's healthy for them.

[Codeine]

41. Cat food.

He likes chicken and beef, but won't touch fish. He also like potato chips, raw garlic, and peanut brittle. I'm the only vegan in the house.

[Dangerously Amused]

15. Frequently and with great intensity. :D

What?

[ZombieNixon]

19. I should have expected this.

:eyes:

:P

[Dangerously Amused]

32. Well du-uuuh!

[flvegan]

22. Starting early tonight, eh?

Wait...you never actually stop, do you? One of the great things about one of the greats here.

[Dangerously Amused]

31. How CAN I stop with all the great inspiration around here?

=sigh=


A woman's work is never done....

[LeftyMom]

18. Cheese is addictive

There's a substance in it called casomorphins that trigger the same pleasure receptors in the brain as opiate drugs like morphine and heroin. So that's the bad news. The good news is that if you don't eat it for a few weeks, you break the cycle of addiction, the cravings go away and it looks and smells like the nasty coagulated pus that it is.

[ZombieNixon]

20. Well, heroin is illegal, so I might as well eat cheese.

:shrug:

[smirkymonkey]

66. Funny, I always thought it was so soothing, almost like a drug.

Ice Cream has the same effect on me, even more so. So do grains. If I don't eat any of them, I feel better after a while and have more energy and eventually don't even crave them. But once I pick it up again, I find it difficult to stop.

[Sannum]

21. I guess this isn't a good time to say that I am eating a grilled cheese

with fries.

Could you possibly order a pizza or something?

[ZombieNixon]

24. I'd have to go pick one up.

My parents' house is out in the country and no place will deliver this far out of town.

I'd rather not spend money if at all possible since I wasn't able to get a job this summer. :(

[Sannum]

26. Awwww

I have no advice if you are out in the sticks. My parents live in a place the world forgot, so I understand. I like living where I am, one block from any type of food that I desire, and if I don't want to get off of my ass, they deliver. The guy from Eat-A-Pita knows me too well:crazy:

[ZombieNixon]

28. I miss my dorm.

Four blocks from the city center of Chicago. You can't sneeze without blasting snot on a restaurant window.

OK, maybe not the most appetizing metaphor...:crazy:

[Sannum]

33. yuck

True though.

The pub near my place is open until 4AM. And I have been known to go out for a burger at like, 5AM.

I'm an insomniac and I only get hungry during the night it seems.

[Beaverhausen]

29. Peanut Butter, baby

:thumbsup:

[China_cat]

34. By itself?

Bread, if bought, will mostly have milk or other dairy products and even if you bake it yourself you have to use yeast...a LIVING organism.

[LeftyMom]

36. Well, we do know how to read labels and avoid bread with animal products

and yeast is a fungus. Fungi like yeast and mushrooms are compatible with a vegan diet.

[Beaverhausen]

40. Yes, by the spoonful!

peanut butter is the food of the gods.

[Codeine]

42. Lots of breads are vegan.

More than you'd expect, really. And yeast isn't an animal any more than a potato is.

[China_cat]

48. But it's not a plant either.

Nor a mineral. Yeast is a living organism that, by the strict definitions of the vegan life-style, should not be consumed.

[yewberry]

51. You have been misinformed.

I'm not sure of any source that classifies fungus as Animalia.

Why would you, a non-vegan who is openly critical of veganism, explain to a vegan what is or isn't compatible with her own lifestyle and ethics?

[flvegan]

53. Narf!

[LeftyMom]

54. Somebody cracked open his new DVDs, didn't he?

:*

[China_cat]

55. I'm not critical of veganism

only of the hypocrisy of it.

But, if you do not eat anything that has (or had) a mother, how do you reconcile this with the studies into MITOCHONDIRAL DNA of yeast...the dna that is only passed from the -mother-?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3442820&dopt=Abstract

[LeftyMom]

58. Yeast is a monocellular fungus.

It does not have the capacity to feel or to suffer. Nobody questions this with mushrooms and other more organized fungi, but the yeast thing comes up a lot, apparently because some people napped through biology or think vegans did.

I don't know what you think the presence or lack of mitochondrial DNA has to do with anything. Yeast is a single-celled organism. It reproduces by dividing. It only has a mother in the sense that a mother cell splits off into two daughter cells, (although yeasts also reproduce by budding sometimes I really don't want to start a yeast reproduction tangent.)

Veganism is centered on the idea of reducing to the greatest extent possible animal suffering caused by one's diet and lifestyle. There is no conflict with this ideal and the consumption of yeasty breads as yeasts are neither animals nor capable of suffering.

[Codeine]

59. Hypocrisy?

Get on with your bad self! It's a fungus, ferchrissakes.

[yewberry]

61. No hypocrisy to be had there.

Having or not having had a mother is not part of the definition of veganism. Your interpretation is based on tying studies of mitochondrial DNA of a fungus to a metaphorical desciption of veganism.

Seriously, I think that's a real problem with people using cutesy characterizations like, "I don't eat anything with eyes." At some point down the road, I'll have to sit through a conversation like, "Omigod, vegans can't eat potatoes!":eyes:

[LeftyMom]

52. Plants are living organisms too, yet we are not breatharian

Yeast is naturally occuring in the air. Real sourdough uses naturally occuring local yeast to rise, with no additional packaged yeast. It is a single-celled organism, one I could no more keep out of my diet than I can keep bacteria from colonizing my skin.

To be vegan is to work to eliminate as much of the suffering as possible from one's diet and lifestyle. Yeast are not animals, do not have the capacity to suffer and could not be entirely eliminated from one's diet in any case due to thier ubiquitousness in the air. There is no reason for vegans to avoid yeast.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

30. Its my nearly-vegan downfall

:cry:

no matter how much i try its always the cheese that kils me. i can do no sugar, no eggs, no milk...but its the cheese

[Fox Mulder]

37. Ewwww...

cheese.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[RevolutionaryActs]

43. That is wrong. Wrong! I tell you!

:o

[ZombieNixon]

46. I know. It made me cry!

Well, not cry, really, but sniffle a little...well, not really, but my eyes watered...actually that was from the pepper that got in my eye when I was making a baked potato...but, you get the idea...it's a crime against humanity, I tells ye!! :grr:

:hi:

[RevolutionaryActs]

47. You should go.. milk a cow or something.

:silly:

[Fountain79]

44. I don't know...

then again I just had a ham sandwich and cottage-cheese.

[Shell Beau]

50. Cheese is one of the best things ever made!!

That and butter! Oh, and chocolate!

[bigwillq]

62. I would never be able to be a vegan

I like my meat and cheese way too much! :hi:

[ZombieNixon]

63. Me too!

:hi:

(This thread is like two days old; I don't even know why it's still alive. :D :shrug:)

[bigwillq]

64. Because you rock Zombie

You're threads keep going and going and going.... :P :)

[LeftyMom]

65. It's your zombie influence

The thread is undead.

[Redstone]

67. Never Underestimate The Power Of Cheese.

You understand that message now, don't you?

Redstone