But seriously, all the talk about Zep or the Who, nobody could top

[Joe Fields]

The Beatles.

[LynneSin]

1. I love the Beatles but they're only #8 on my top 10 list

It was quite controversial because people found out that I had ELO rated higher!

[Joe Fields]

2. Not sure how old you are, but....

I think you had to live through their time, to truly appreciate their innovativeness, and the many contributions they made to the music world, and society. The were the trendsetters of the sixties.

[LynneSin]

3. But that's not how I create my list

You're absolutely right with everything you said (Beatles broke up when I was still young). ELO has had more impact on my life than the Beatles - simple enough. I just happen to enjoy their music more!

[WCGreen]

5. I was at an Italian Restaurant a while back....

And they had a Frakie Avalon tape playing...

I pulled the bus girl over and said do hear this music...

She said, "Um, yeah" looked around to see if the owner was in earshot and said, "It Sucks..."

Then I told her that when she got home tonight she should get on her knees and thank the Rock God's that the Beatles came around and simply destroyed that kind of music...

That is why the Beatles will always be number one in my book....

[LynneSin]

That's the beauty of musical taste - it's like snowflakes

No two are the same.

I just remember visiting my brother and he took us to this massive record store that I think is no longer in business (Peaches - it was in the Cleveland area). And I liked a few ELO songs on the radio and saw that the "Out of the Blue" album was $5.99 and I happened to have a $10 on me.

That was my first album ever bought and I now own over 500 vinyl and 500 CDs. Crazy thing is, I still listen to that album, side 3's 'Concerto for a Rainy Day' is probably one of the most perfect album sides ever made.

[WCGreen]

10. Peaches was a great Record Store....

They had those Peach Crates to store records in....

ELO is a great band to me... One of the highlights of my high school years...

I saw them in concert and they were out standing...

But why I think they aren't in the same league as the Beatles is their body of work doesn't stand up....

Just as I think Queen is awesome and one of the best bands to come out of the 70's...

But the same, the body of work is just not there....

[LynneSin]

13. I'm not telling you which what the ratings of the bands are

I'm telling you what my personal taste in music is which just happens to find ELO music a tad better than Beatles both for the style that I love and the impact it has had on my life. BTW, Queen is #2 on the list.

[WCGreen]

18. They all had a deep impact on my life....

As music does in those years...

Nothing has effected me quiet the same since although Nanci Griffith and Steve Earle have come close...

[smtpgirl]

43. I used to work at Peaches in

Rockville, MD, FUN TIMES, that's where I got my tickets to see the Rolling Stones at Hampton Roads

[Joe Fields]

16. The most perfect side made, IMO? side 2 of Abbey Road.

Followed by In-a-Gadda-da-Vida.

[LynneSin]

21. We all have different tastes

:shrug:

What can I say - it's a great 4 song combination, listen to it sometime

[Joe Fields]

24. I agree! I, too, like ELO. Know the music you described.

Favorite ELO album? On the Third Day!

[LynneSin]

28. That's a great album too

They're like most bands of that era, the older stuff was amazing and the newer stuff kinda sucked. If anything, Jeff Lynn's forte really is in his current role of record producer. You listen to those old ELO albums and knew the guy had a knack for putting together a diverse collection of musicians to produce some quality sounds

[Joe Fields]

15. ROFLMAO! 'Nuff said!

[taterguy]

4. I'm sorry, you're wrong

Scientific proof can be found here:

http://www.crispinsartwell.com/stones.htm

[Joe Fields]

6. What was this, your Masters thesis?

[taterguy]

8. Just trying to educate you

Knowledge is power you know. I have no connection whatsoever to the author

[Joe Fields]

11. Surely you aren't serious!

[taterguy]

26. I'm as serious as Ronald Thomas Clontle

[taterguy]

37. ahem, I was in the process of winning an arguement

I guess cowards run away when confronted by a superior intellect

[Joe Fields]

38. I'm sorry. I was laughing too hard. You were saying.....

[WCGreen]

7. Good for him but since most of their good stuff is at least 30

years old....

That means their body of work is half great and half crap...

You can't say that about the Beatles....

[Squeech]

17. Hogwash

I gave up on this asshat's argument when he started talking about "pretentious." Where's the greater pretention: that King Crimson's Peter Sinfield pointed out that the 21st century was likely to be a schizoid era-- totally vindicated by history, you will note-- or that a graduate of the London School of Economics has any conceivable standing to consider himself a Street Fighting Man? The Stones were no less full of shit than any other band who got out of the '60s more or less alive. (That's also why I prefer the Who: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"-- words to live by.)

[smtpgirl]

45. King Crimson

I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress

[Radical Activist]

9. I love the Beatles, but

most of their early innovation was adopting American roots music for new audiences. Led Zep could be accused of that as well. The Who were probably the most original and innovative of the three bands.

[WCGreen]

12. They are all derivative of someother type of music...

But the Beatles add a pop touch to the American Root music that broadened the appeal of that music far beyond what it ever was...

They worked in great harmonies, catch riffs, real good lyrics that were, for the first time, about love from a woman's perspective...

[Radical Activist]

22. you mean broadened the appeal

to white people. They were just as guilty of it as Elvis. It makes sense that Lennon was such a big fan.

[WCGreen]

27. Why is that protrayed as a bad thing....

Elvis and the Beatles also got a lot of their influence from what was then called back country music which is much more dependent on traditional European folk than on African based music...

[Radical Activist]

30. Because their success

came as a result of racial bans on American radio. They received credit for being innovative when their main innovation was to be white enough to get played on stations that banned the people they copied. They aren't to blame for racism but their careers benefited from it. Credit should be give to the originals.

[WCGreen]

33. I think credit is being given....

But I also think that so much credit is given to the race factor as to diminish supposed non discriminated artists who were also innovating and adding to the mix...

You see if you go into examining something with preconceived notions, you come out with conclusions that support your notions going in...

African-American root music is very influential in the development of Rock-n-Roll but so is country and folk and tin pan alley music...

To say one group or another is more responsible for the rise of popular music is just an insular view that diminishes the Irish, Scottish, Jewish, or rather Yiddish and Eastern European music that combined with African rhythms to create Rock-n-Roll....

[Radical Activist]

35. Maybe

your preconceived notion is that the Beatles are the greatest.

"To say one group or another is more responsible for the rise of popular music is just an insular view that diminishes the Irish, Scottish, Jewish, or rather Yiddish and Eastern European music that combined with African rhythms to create Rock-n-Roll...."

The fact that other white people were innovative doesn't mean that the Beatles were innovative for mimicking what others did.

[WCGreen]

40. Oh please....

no body then, in your view, is at all innovative or worthy of receiving credit for anything...

And the Beatles are the greatest Pop band, by far...

And it goes beyond the music and ends up with the lyric....

[smtpgirl]

44. I liked Zep more because they were more bluesy

Stones too
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Pat Travers
Robin Trower

Still like Blues today, ALOT

[Joe Fields]

14. There would be no "Tommy" without "Sgt. Pepper."

[WCGreen]

19. Correct!!

[Radical Activist]

20. uhh..yeah right

I'm sure the Who were thinking of cutsie songs like "When I'm 64" when they wrote about a deaf dumb and blind kid getting molested by his uncle. Give me a break.

[WCGreen]

25. It wasn't that....

It's that the Beatles and The Beach Boys with Pet Sounds expanded the boundries of Rock....

That's the point....

[Taverner]

23. Ahhh yes. Perhaps not rock gods, but overall geniuses and prophets

Dunno if you can compare the two.

Led Zep was very very VERY good in a niche within rock

The Beatles had no boundaries. Chances are if Yoko never showed up, they would have tried their hand at a Jazz album.

[Joe Fields]

29. In all seriousness, a great amount of truth to what you said!

DAMN THAT YOKO!

[Radical Activist]

31. jazz?

The Beatles were great at what they did but most of their music with repetitive hooks and catchy riffs were the antithesis of jazz.

[Taverner]

32. I'm just sayin' they tried their hand at everything

Case in point: The White Album

[smtpgirl]

46. Weather Report, Jaco Pastorius, John Klemmer

Sergio Mendes (I know more Brazil), Theolenius Monk, Al Kooper, Stan Getz, Al Hirt, I love jazz too

[ProfessorGAC]

34. You Got My Vote

They are rock music's sine qua non.
The Professor

[Joe Fields]

36. Vote recieved and counted. No hanging chads here.

[begin_within]

39. On originality, no other band comes close to The Beatles.

[charlie and algernon]

41. screw the beatles, it's all about OASIS!!!!

:hide:

[smtpgirl]

42. Led Zeppelin was SO MUCH BETTER

just call me a '70's girl.

Lez Zeppelin are good too

http://www.lezzeppelin.com/

[GOPBasher]

47. They're all awesome. I can't compare them. n/t

[smtpgirl]

48. SERIOUSLY

Local Jazz/Blues/adLib

In the DC area

MICHAEL FATH
WILL LANDRUM

will never see better guitarists

[driver8]

49. Anyone who does not agree with me is WRONG!!!!!!!!

Anyone with half a brain knows that OASIS is, and will forever be, the GREATEST ROCK BAND OF ALL TIME.

END OF STORY!!!