What happens to all the Scorpios out there if Pluto loses planet status?

[MoonRiver]

Will they go back to being ruled by Mars, or, :scared:, have absolutely NO planetary representation?!?

[sabbat hunter]

1. that is

a very good question.

i would think from an astrological point of view pluto would still be a planet.

[htuttle]

2. Well, Pluto's still THERE isn't it?

If Astrology is real at all (and I don't it is), then it is supposedly Pluto's gravitational effect on "the water in our bodies" (or something) that accounts for it's position in astrology charts, isn't it? If that was happening last week, it would still be happening this week, regardless of what sort of label we give Pluto.

[rock]

5. And by the same logic

why haven't the astrologers been concerned with Ceres? As you point out, whether we call it a planet or not, it still exists.

[peace frog]

7. Oh but they do concern themselves with Ceres

When you have a chart cast for any purpose, you may request it to be included. :)

[Subdivisions]

8. The labels we give a celestial body would not

necessarily have an effect on astrology because the celestial bodies are still in place.

I don't believe in astrology.

[librechik]

3. astrology is about people, not planets

the planets are just a way to get at the discussion

(IMO)

[Kajsa]

18. Just asking here- don't the planets have

a big influence on the different signs?

example; I'm a "Moon Child", under the
sign of Cancer.

Say what you will, the phases of the moon
are enough to affect our tides and mess
mightily with one's head!

[librechik]

22. I'm afraid I don't believe the planets have an influence on us

and I'm still waiting to be convinced about the moon and tides. If Luna's gravity has such an influence on our oceans, why is there free fall? I've had it explained to me, I just am not convinced by the explanation as yet.

However, Astrology gives us access to shared mythological archetypes that ring true when talking about individual and group psychology. They give us a metaphorical language to begin talking about our motivations. If you are (a psychic reader/astrologer) charging by the hour, believe me that helps!

I enjoy contemplating astrological metaphors as an amusement, and a cultural phenomenon. I don't believe there is any science to it (except the ephemeris, this is obviously derived from science.) But what does it mean? That is the job of the psychologist or poet/fantasist to discover within themselves. And don't hang your hat on it.

[JitterbugPerfume]

4. Damn!

Do you mean we don't even get a real Planet?:evilfrown: THAT DOES IT--I quit

[MoonRiver]

6. I think this says something about Scorpios.

Ancient astrologers knew Pluto existed but couldn't identify it with their technology. So, they assigned Mars as a foster planet, so to speak, for Scorpio while Pluto was being searched for. Then, FINALLY, Pluto was found. Decades of peace and certainty existed for Scorpios around the world. Now, suddenly, they're telling us Pluto doesn't count as a planet!

It's like having one's parents disappear. While they're searched for, you live in a foster home. Yeah, it's nice, and a pretty good fit, but Aries really doesn't like to share his room with you. :( "He" is also an immature selfish bully. (I say he because Aries is a masculine planet.) So, finally Pluto is discovered! (Mommy, daddy, you're back!!!) Then BAM genetic testing reveals that they're not your (planetary) parents after all!
:cry::cry::cry:

What happens next? Is it too late to go back to living at Mars? After all, Aries has gotten used to having the whole joint to himself, and he wasn't too happy with the previous arrangement. Is there another planetary home that will offer a lonely sign refuge? Or are Scorps simply going to be astrological nomads from now to eternity?

What does this say about Scorpios? I think it explains why they are so intense, secretive, and have the greatest potential for good and evil of any sign in the Zodiac. With all the uncertainly and chaos regarding their origins and lack of planetary security, who wouldn't have such issues?

BTW: I'm one too.

[Surya Gayatri]

11. Fellow Scorpio checking in here...

Planetary classification notwithstanding, Pluto still exists & from an

astrological perspective (if that's your thing) must still influence the

cosmic energies, IMHO. I don't feel orphaned for all that! LOL! SG

edit: Agree with your assessment on the nature of us scorpions--intense capacity for good & evil. Amazing people really--most spiritually apt of all signs.

[MoonRiver]

12. I don't "feel" orphaned either. But we could be affected

in ways we're not entirely conscious of.

Seriously, all the other Zodiac signs are ruled by clearly identified planets. If, and only if, one believes in Astrology (I do) there is something odd and bizarre going on here. Scorps didn't have a planet of their own for eons, then they did, and now they don't. I would like any professional DU astrologers to give their opinions.

[Surya Gayatri]

27. I know very little of astrological 'science'

beyond common knowledge gleaned from popular sources. From my own intimate experience,though, I'd say we are 'ruled' by something omnipresent but invisible, going far beyond the visible solar system.

Might explain the secretive & hidden nature of the Scorpion character. (And I'm not saying this just to polish up our sign's rather mixed reputation! LOL!) SG :dilemma:

[pitohui]

33. scorpios DID have a planet, it was mars

it is not true that scorpios didn't have a planet, ALL signs have a planet, and scorpio's was mars

i don't see the big deal, because some inept fake modern astrologers tried to pretend they were all "scientific" and embraced pluto doesn't make pluto a valid part of the ancient art of astrology

it just makes most 20th century astrologers whores who were happy to sell out their art to brown nose scientists who wouldn't be impressed anyway

[Generic Brad]

41. Does this make us "non-entities"?

I think we need a bigger bad ass planet to represent us. Anybody seen Nibiru floating around lately?

[MoonRiver]

20. I agree with your edit.

My life has been, in alternating fashion, either an intense quest for, or avoidance of, spirituality! Age is mellowing me out, however. I now know the only thing worth pursuing is the spiritual.

[Surya Gayatri]

26. Yes, so true...

Paradoxically, our only reason for being here is ultimately to discover & 'experience' our reason for being here!
Who am I?
Why am I here?
Where am I going?
Oh, the simplicity of it, if only we could see! SG
:pals:

[treestar]

16. Astrology must have had to make "progress" of a kind

because what did it say before the planets were even discovered? So there must be a way to adjust everything when new discoveries are made.

Astrology marches forward! Astrologists will discover what rules Scorpios by diligent hard work and study!

[Bill McBlueState]

25. of course!

They'll design careful experiments to determine which planet influences Scorpios, and publish their results in peer-reviewed journals so the community can analyze and attempt to replicate their results. If their theories stand up to several years of scrutiny by their competitors, their results will become accepted.

...at least, that's how *some* methods of inquiry do business.

[arwalden]

31. Heh-heh!

:thumbsup:

[Generic Brad]

42. You're not a Scorpio, are you?

;-)

[pitohui]

34. there wasn't a day before planets were discovered

the astrological planets are the earth, the moon, the sun, mercury, venus, mars, jupiter, and saturn -- all easily seen by the human eye and known to humans from the most primitive times

scorpio is ruled by mars, the star "antares" meaning the rival to mars, is one of the most striking stars in the constellation of scorpius -- it is a striking red that catches the eye -- quite nothing to do w. pluto!

[Elidor]

9. Perhaps they can learn to forecast the future by the position of Uranus

Doh! Someone had to say it. :D

[johnnie]

10. All Scorios will be raptured

I am guessing. :shrug:

[treestar]

15. LOL!

[treestar]

13. Maybe the International Association of Astrologers does not

agree with the ruling. For astrology purposes, Pluto may still be a planet.

[MoonRiver]

14. That's a positive possibility!

:)

[Kajsa]

17. Pluto is Pluto, period.

To quote William Shakespeare;

""What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet."

--From Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)

Whether Pluto is called a planet, a star, or
a celestial body, Pluto is Pluto.

[reyd reid reed]

19. ACK!

We'll be cast adrift in the cosmos with nothing to hold us down.

:scared:

Hmmmm...

Now that I think about it, the rapture part could be interesting, though. I could stand a little enraputuring.

:evilgrin:

[MoonRiver]

21. Scorpios lives tend to epitomize that old Chinese curse,

may you live in interesting times. Is life ever uninteresting for a Scorp?
:D

[yellowdogintexas]

37. Unequivically (sp) NO. Life is always interesting, and often in

the Chinese sense, for the Scorpio person.

I should know, I R 1

[reyd reid reed]

44. Yup. I've gotta admit, that it is

Sometimes I think a little dull would be nice. Then I come to my senses.

I get bored easily.

[reyd reid reed]

43. Gotta admit, it's usually interesting...

It's just that there's interesting...and then there's Interesting.

[Kickoutthejams23]

23. You would have thought the psychics would have seen this coming

:evilgrin:

[WinkyDink]

24. This Scorpio refuses to accept this so-called reality!

[SteppingRazor]

28. Clearly, every Scorpio will vanish in a sort of astrological Rapture n/t

[WilliamPitt]

29. This Scorpio is disgusted by all the anti-Plutite hatred

coming from the scientific community.

It's a planet because I fucking well say it is.

:P

[schmuls]

30. ? I thought Mars was the ruling planet for Scorpio ...

[pitohui]

35. oh! a person who actually knows astrology not just newspaper astrology!

you thought right, any claim that pluto was scorpio's planet was pure pandering

[u4ic]

38. Classical astrologers knew

that there was a separate planet for Scorpio, Aquarius and Virgo. (Aquarius was traditionally ruled by Saturn; Virgo is under Mercury, as is Gemini)

Much of Scorpio can't be defined by Mars.

[pitohui]

32. our planet is mars, it has always been mars

i always deeply resented the pretense that pluto was our planet, astronomy was an ancient art and mars was our planet, period, end of sentence

pluto was never a planet even when we were pretending it was, cripes -- and it sure as heck had no place screwing w. our charts -- if you want a real chart based on tradition, you can't be putting in junk like pluto

even neptune is bogus from a historical sense

even uranus is iffy, it may have only been seen a few times by naked eye astronomers in ancient times and i am not aware of it having a real place in the ancient charts

[sarge43]

36. Well, they may revert to their lower selves and go postal on us. n/t

[graywarrior]

39. Scorpios don't need nothin'. We can stand alone and still kick ass

[sendero]

40. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it..

.. but for sure I'm tired of reading bullshit from people who've never casted a single chart.

Think what you want but one thing I know for sure - folks who blather about stuff they know nothing about are no Einsteins :)

[Mz Pip]

45. Since they didn't even find Pluto until

the 30s then I guess they will have to do whatever they did before they found Pluto.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

46. Hah!

:rofl::rofl: