Did you know there is a movement a foot ro get Pat Boone...

[WCGreen]

Elected to the Rock Hall of Fame....

If that Happens, I swear to god I will move to Toledo....

[datasuspect]

1. this alone should qualify him

[In_The_Wind]

3. OMG *giggle*

That makes him look silly!

[datasuspect]

4. pat boone.

metal covers.

the mind reels.

[WCGreen]

11. Only that...

come on Joani, the guy looked silly in State Fair....

[In_The_Wind]

33. State Fair was a classic of mush for its time.

Moonlight and cow plops!

[HughBeaumont]

18. More like in a honcho mood.

WHAT is with that twinkle? I NEVER understood that at all.

[meegbear]

2. And with his columns in WorldNetDaily ...

he keeps a rock 'n roll pulse on today's society.

[DancingBear]

5. Between 1956 and 1962 Pat Boone had 18 Top Ten records

with 6 #1 records.

If The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is designed to "honor" those who made a SIGNIFICANT contribution to rock music (in terms of record sales, airplay, etc.) - and if you were around during the above mentioned time period then you know Boone was a HUGE star - then he has to be in.

Period.

Whether you like him or not (and I don't).

Avalon, Boone, Rydell, Sedaka - yes, it was pasteurized "white" music to the nth degree, but it sold millions of records.

Sorry.

[MrCoffee]

8. If significant = sales, then Ann Coulter is a significant author

however, i don't think significant = "pasturized 'white' music to the nth degree".

[WCGreen]

10. Good analogy....

[DancingBear]

14. Of course you don't

But, then again, some only want to believe what they want to believe, and they want to believe that their "taste" trumps everyone else's.

You see, significant DOES equate to record sales, and it is VERY much a part of an artist's career.

Do tell, though, what your qualifications are/should be for inclusion into said Hall Of Fame.

Is is Number One records? Boone had 6. Top 20 - he had 18. Airplay? Sales? Was the artist "big" during a particular time frame? Boone gets a yes here.

Or is it something else? Something that maybe you think is valid, and I don't. Something subjective, perhaps, like maybe a band or artist that affected you personally, but never really "moved" the pile in any significant way. That's why they have statistics in baseball, and that's why they have "numbers" in music, because if subjectivity ruled then the proverbial all hell would break loose.

I don't know if you were around during his heyday, but I doubt it. The hardest thing to do when it comes to music, arts, etc. is to view a career through the prism of objectivity. If this is done, and we reject the homophobic, religious zealot that Boone has become (actually, he has probably been that forever, but so have many of his peers) then we must look at the body of work, and how it played amongst his peers. This is why your Coulter analogy is spurious at best.

During the period from '56 to '62, Boone was a big a recording star (in what passed for rock music then) as anyone. That is just a fact. If the job of the gatekeepers of the Hall Of Fame is to determine who was a (key word) formative player, then Boone has to get in.

Do I like it? Not really, but when jokes like Skynrd are let in then I guess the whole thing really doesn't matter anyway, yes?

[WCGreen]

19. He wasn't formative....

He was just pop music watered down even further than it already was at that time...

I feel that someone should have contributed significantly to "rock-n-roll" in order to be considered for enshrinement...

There are far too many in the Hall that don't belong...

It is like the pro football hall of fame...

So many enter every year...

Baseball, the lines are drawn clearly higher than in any other Hall of Fame...

I think there should only be two or three inductees per year in the Rock Hall...

[DancingBear]

32. Now there is a stance I can agree with

Under "today's" HOF definitions - he's in. No brainer.

With the "new improved" guidelines - no chance.

So, does this mean Blue Cheer gets in instead? :)

[GalleryGod]

36. Sorry Mr. C. Your analogy = a D+ at best.

Apples and prunes.

You were there? I thought you were so much younger. I didn't know you lived through that era, along with em. To make such a dismissive remark, I assume you have first person experience.

[KamaAina]

25. How many of those songs did he steal from African American artists

while paying them peanuts, if anything at all?

Sure, it was SOP back then, but Boone was among the most egregious offenders.

[DancingBear]

30. Everybody did it

Boone just did with more pablum. :)

Of course, the trophy for stealing black music and pretending you wrote it goes to Led Zeppelin, who made a career out of it.

[GalleryGod]

35. I agree 100% . The guy was there at the creation.

Avalon, Boone, Sedaka, Rydell all deserve induction.

[Spider Jerusalem]

45. Except that record sales and airplay...

do NOT make for a 'significant' contribution. Influence on other musicians DOES, however--which is why the Velvet Underground, for instance, who never got much airplay and never had a hit record, are quite deservedly in the Hall of Fame, and also why Pat Boone definitely shouldn't be.

Or, to put it another way: Dean Koontz' novels have sold millions of copies. But no-one in his right mind would try to argue that Koontz has had a significant influence on Western literature. Garbage that sells well is still garbage.

[DancingBear]

46. P.S.

Not really - the VU are in because of Lou Reed. No more, no less. His influence on others, mostly through his songs, are what did it. As I'm sure you know, the VU were the ultimate cult band, and if Reed had faded from sight after they broke up they would have been looking through the windows instead of being inducted. In this case, influence did indeed play a role.

However, If your theory is to hold across the board, then bands who directly influenced others (like The Flying Burrito Brothers) would be in, and of course they are not. But THESE folks are:

Everly Brothers
Ricky Nelson
Gene Pitney

Can you tell me exactly WHO these musicians influenced to make the HOF? Or perhaps maybe, just maybe, it was due to the fact that they sold millions of records and were at the top of the charts during their heyday?

Now, you may not know Gene Pitney from Adam, but if you had a transistor radio glued to your ear in 1962 then you damn well knew. Trust me, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence" is no "Blue Suede Shoes."

You are making the same mistakes as others - using perceived "influence" as the barometer of selection, and neglecting the very real component of how big a star someone was. You see, if they had a writer's hall of fame, and it used the same set of criteria that sports halls of fame or the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame uses, then Dean Koontz would be in it. So would Tom Clancy. And Hemingway.

Honestly, it isn't about do you like such and such, and it isn't about who amongst "the great unwashed" should be allowed to enter. It's just really simple - during their time period, did a particular artist matter?

Boone did - DURING THAT TIME. He met the criteria, so you have to put him in.

ZZ Top did during their time, so they are in.

Oh, and if influence was truly the leading indicator then Wynonie Harris would be in.

But you probably knew that.

Didn't you? :)

[MrCoffee]

6. For the love of ramen, not Toledo!!!

it's an armpit.

[pscot]

7. That is just so wrong

And I don't care if he is a direct descendant of Daniel Boone.

[Crazy Dave]

9. They didn't think KISS deserved to be in the Hall of Fame.....

...but they're giving serious thought to Pat Boone huh? Anybody that would ruin "Enter Sandman" the way he did deserves a place in Hell, not the Hall of Fame.

[WCGreen]

12. They should charge that dude double to even get in the door...

[Crazy Dave]

13. But not to get into Hell

And if there's a line when he gets there (Hell), he should get to go to the front without waiting.

[DancingBear]

15. Ah, I was waiting for the KISS one....

In the early/mid 70's, KISS were an absolute joke. They were that era's Grand Funk Railroad. Cut-out bins (places where records went to die) were filled with .99 Kiss albums. By the thousands. "Cultured" rock fans laughed at them. Their albums made wonderful table shims.

But you see, you define KISS as to how YOU remember them, and you define Boone as how YOU heard him.

You need to be able to place things in context - it makes the process that much easier, and it makes a whole lot more sense.

[WCGreen]

17. By that take, Britney Spears should be in the Hall of Fame...

Add Frankie Avalon and Annette Funecello...

The sorry state of Rock in the late 50's and early 60's doesn't necessarily give someone a free pass into the hall...

Remember that time was after Freed was prosecuted and Elvis was in the Army so pop music was really on life support...

It wasn't until surf music, Blue-eyed Philadelphia soul, Motown and the Beatles came to town that pop music recovered...

[DancingBear]

22. I'll agree with a good bit of that

Most folks will agree that the late 50's/early 60's was a "down" period musically.

However, be that as it may it was the transition from pure rock and roll (and don't EVEN get me going about how no one actually knows what "rock and roll" is) to the above mentioned styles. Rock and roll (Little Richard, Jerry Lee, Carl Perkins, etc.) was dying, and in the vacuum came "safe" music, or as some say the second coming of the crooners. Along with it, however, came the beginnings of Philly soul (The Dovells with "Bristol Stomp", etc.), R&B on Atlantic (The Drifters, etc.) and (still) hit acts like The Coasters. The belief that all this period consisted of was Boone, Avalon, etc. is not correct.

That is why I argue that taken in THAT context, and stacked up against those artists, Boone's record of 6 #1 hits and 18 Top Ten just can't be ignored.

Just curious - how do you feel abut Ricky Nelson and the HOF? During the same time period as Boone, he had 9 Top Ten records, and 2 At Number One.

P.S. Spears may get in someday. They're gettin' pretty lax up there in Cleveland.... :)

Trivia time: Who sang lead on "The Bristol Stomp"? (ah, that's an easy one...)

[Crazy Dave]

21. I think KISS had more of an influence and sold....

a heck of a lot more albums than Pat Boone. Whether you were a fan or not, you have heard of them. Pat Boone in mine and I'm sure in the so-called "Cultured" rock fans opinion is a bigger joke than the Muppets singing rock and roll songs.

But hey, if you like Pat Boone it's cool. I ain't gonna jump in your shit and act like a baby just because you do and I don't.

[DancingBear]

31. What influence???

They were a third-rate band who made it big - the second time around.

And please, ix nay the "if you like Boone" comments. My arguments have NOTHING to do with liking or dis-liking him (true be told - I can't stand his records, save for being able to tolerate "Speedy Gonzales").

Oh, and to rock historians and those who have lived through most of it Boone is viewed as a successful artist. If you could get over your pre-conceived notions of what rock music is/was in the late 50's (I was there) you would know better than to make the statements you made.

As I said up thread, it is a foolish thing to define the past in terms of how you view the present.

In case you missed it, Jagger is in his 60's and is a joke now - but put the needle down on "Down The Road Apiece" from "The Rolling Stones Now" and the present images melt away.

As it should be.

[acmavm]

28. You are soooo right. I remember the time we went to a friend's

apartment and her new boyfriend had his Kiss albums over there. She thought she had them hid. Too bad for her that they weren't hidden good enough?

Karyl, if you're here right now do you remember that?

Kiss is the band who's followers were like here boyfriend. He stole her luggage when he moved out on her.

And she never lived the Kiss thing down. It's decades later and one of the things I remember about Gaylinn is the night we found the Kiss albums in her apartment.

[mykpart]

40. Off topic, but do you remember

the rumor that KISS stood for "Knights In Satan's Service?"

[yurbud]

16. Just listen to him sing rock standards or his recent heavy metal covers

and you'll realize he belongs in the elevator music hall of fame.

[Initech]

20. Pat Boone = the Klan's Krooner

[ChoralScholar]

34. Probably pretty true.

I read somewhere... I can't find the source now... that he was ASKED to cover "Ain't that a shame" so people who had problems with black artists could enjoy the song, guilt-free.

[Monk06]

42. Ask Little Richard what he thinks of PB's stolen cover of Tutti Frutti..

Then duck.

I lived on a Canadian Military base during the
Cuban Missile crisis and the Kennedy assassination.

Our neighbors were USAF SAC. The wife collected
Nat King Cole records while she was in Canada.

When they shipped out back to Biloxi she said she
had to sell her Cole records because she couldn't
listen to N***er music in Mississippi.

Pat Boone made millions not only stealing black
music but ruining it. Thank god he was so bad it
didn't make any difference.

[lizziegrace]

23. Toledo?

You really are a desperate man!

:(

[WCGreen]

27. Nah, Columbus.....

[lizziegrace]

29. Columbus isn't a whole lot better

But you could take Blackwell out at the knees!

[LongTomH]

24. My Living Will

states that, if I'm ever found, willingly, listening to Pat Boone or Barry Manilow, they're to call Dr. Kevorkian. Of course, if I've been captured by a Dominionist militia and I'm being tortured by listening to Pat Boone, I would also appreciate being put out of my misery.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[qnr]

26. Me, I'm easy. If you've heard of them, they've acquired a modicum of fame

as such, they are entitled. They'll just have to build some annexes for the influx.... Probably in Toledo.

[qwertyMike]

37. The VERY FIRST 45rpm I bought was

"Just a closer walk with Thee" by Boone
Of course I was born in 1945

As for Rock/Fame - NOPE!

I still like Gospel though (Elvis), along with the Dropkick Murphy's, and the Pogues, and an old dead friend Rory Gallagher :(
I'm Irish of course :)

[johnnie]

38. I have never taken that place seriously anyway

I hate to sound like one of those people who think it is cool to diss something like this, but I have never really regarded the Rock Hall as anything serious. It's like the Grammys, just a bunch of political crud.

[mitchum]

39. That's two of us, johnnie...

I couldn't give a flying fuck who is inducted. The whole idea of a rockandroll hall of fame is just ridiculous

[WCGreen]

44. I am so disappointed in the way it turned out....

It really could have been something...

But now, it's just a Hard Rock Cafe with out the bad hamburgers....

[DancingBear]

47. True

Although I did like the display of Cippolina's amp stack, complete with (literally) air horns attached to the Fender bottoms. :)

I never remembered seeing that when I saw Quicksilver play - I thought he used Marshalls.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

41. If they're successful, then that will be a true sign of the Rapture.

What tools...

[Major Hogwash]

43. Sounds like some kind of a bowel movement to me.

Really shi**y idea.

LOL