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Tue Sep-12-06 03:58 PM
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what great bands ended up putting out horrific songs/albums? |
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there are plenty of bands out there whose peak material is considered among the best stuff ever for their respective eras, genres...but they all ended up putting out some pretty horrible crap...
like the who and zeppelin towards the end of their years, 1980's bob dylan, paul mccartney, metallica who probably shouldn't even be called a metal band anymore, etc. etc. etc. you get my drift.
so who else was great and then flushed their creativity down the toilet after they puked it up after a night of hard partying?
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Tue Sep-12-06 04:02 PM
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1. When the Jefferson Airplane became a Starship ..... |
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one of the saddest declines in rock.
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Tue Sep-12-06 04:03 PM
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2. oh god how could i have forgotten to mention them |
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starship would've been a horrible band anyways...but it was a group of people who should've known better
sad sad indeed
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:26 PM
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30. That's what happens when you give up assorted drugs.... |
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Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 12:30 PM by Bridget Burke
And concentrate on Coke/Coke/Coke!
Edited to add: And I really loved the Airplane. From their first folk-rocky album before Grace through Crown of Creation. (Although Volunteers had its moments.) It sucks that Janis Joplin OD'd, but I always preferred Grace Slick.
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Fri Sep-15-06 11:59 AM
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92. I always thought volunteers was the best.... |
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the title song always started something......we played it repeatedly out of dormitory windows during student strikes of 1972.... they became an arena band, sad to say.
I'd still pay money to see Grace Slick sing....but she won't do it for a mungogungillion dollars.
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:12 PM
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they started out with some good promisse, and had some decent songs...and then went down....but after seeing them in concert, they earned my respect. People hate Fred Durst, and during his set during the Summer Sanitarium Tour at Candle Stick in 03...people, wre throwing beer bottles/water bottles, and shoes at FRed....Fred didn't miss a beat, and keep singing through all of that mess....that my friend, has earned my respect back for Limp Bizkit...if I was in the same position, they would have need an army to hold me back from kicking up a storm....
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:31 PM
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8. well, Fred probably figures he's lucky to be working, |
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since he and his band suck so hard.
So he takes the insults and thrown bottles, because to him any attention is good attention.
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:14 PM
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4. The Police put out a song called "Mother" on the Synchronicity album. |
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It is, by far, one of the biggest pieces of shit ever recorded. I guess Sting threw Andy Summers a bone and this is what he came up with.
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:24 PM
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6. No way! That's a fucking great song! |
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One of my favorite Police songs ever.
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:53 PM
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9. I would rather jam long, sharp sticks into my ears than listen to that |
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piece of shit.
"The telephone is ringing...is that my mother on the phone"??!!
I sure hope so...and I hope she's telling you to quit singing!!!!!
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:37 PM
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34. I'd rather jam sticks into my ears than listen to anything by The Police, |
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or Sting anyway. Sorry, their stuff is unlistenable to me. Oh well.
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Wed Sep-13-06 07:37 PM
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58. Why do you hate America?? |
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I'm kidding, of course.
I haven't been to crazy about Sting's solo stuff, but I love the Police. Except for that stupid "Mother" song, that is.
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Wed Sep-13-06 08:53 PM
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66. It's just his voice, I guess. It sounds like a balloon being strangled. |
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:54 PM
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48. Pretty much all of Wayne Newton's work after "Danke Schoen " |
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And then the Vegas thing started
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:23 PM
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That's the immediately, by far, first album that popped into my head.
What a piece of shit!!!!!!!
Another one is that band-formerly-known-as-Jefferson-Airplane-when-they-were-relevant-and-rocked and the album that "We Built This City" was on.
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Tue Sep-12-06 06:02 PM
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11. I used to love Styx... |
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The Grand Illusion Pieces of Eight Renegade I got off the boat at Mr. Roboto
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:53 PM
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35. Kilroy was great compared to the horror of |
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The Paradise Theatre album.
That was where they lost me. I actually kind of like Mr. Roboto. :-)
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Wed Sep-13-06 08:02 PM
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64. I saw them in concert for that tour |
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A very entertaining show.
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:29 PM
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Annoyed the shit out of me.
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:37 PM
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43. The true rock bottom was "Cut the crap" |
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Tue Sep-12-06 05:59 PM
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10. Miles, in his "electric" phase... |
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...records like "On the Corner". Some people love them...I myself greatly admire some of 'em, like "In a Silent Way" amd "Bitches' Brew"...but he lost me with "On the Corner"...
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:25 PM
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29. I was going to say the exact same thing. |
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Miles Davis in the 80's...what a shame...
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Tue Sep-12-06 07:03 PM
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12. The Rolling Stones after "Tattoo You"... |
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Iggy Pop after "New Values" Lou Reed after "Street Hassle" The New York Dolls after "Too Much, Too Soon" Rod Stewart after about 1973 or so Lynyrd Skynyrd after the plane went down
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Tue Sep-12-06 09:46 PM
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.. as a total Iggy fan I'm always surprised to hear even a mention of New Values. To me, it was Iggy's pinnacle achievement, and so few have ever heard it.
That said, I have to disagree with you. Zombie Birdhouse, done in 1984 or so, is a damn fine record. After that, it was all over :)
Basically, most bands/artists, if they stay in the biz, eventually put out some crap recordings. The only escapees are those who quit while they are ahead - and that's not many.
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Tue Sep-12-06 11:16 PM
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23. Y'know, there is some good material on "Zombie Birdhouse"... |
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and I actually enjoyed quite a bit of "Avenue B" from a few years ago. I found it to be a significant effort to break away from the prefab rawwwk of the past twenty years or so of his career. Apparently, it only sold 5000 copies, so, of course, Mr Osterberg quickly scurried back to the safety of by-the numbers Iggy product. Damn shame.
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Tue Sep-12-06 07:11 PM
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Anything after "Diver Down" - and many would argue that "DD" should be included, as well!
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Thu Sep-14-06 01:57 PM
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77. Diver Down should be on that list. |
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It's not even a half hour long and it's full of lousy covers. I have never felt as ripped off as I did the day I raced home with that album and listened to it. As I heard "Happy Trails," I really felt like the band was laughing at their fans for buying that piece of shit. I never bought another album from them again, and never even bothered to convert my Van Halen to CD. They couldn't have angered me more if they had killed my dog.
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Tue Sep-12-06 08:08 PM
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14. Metallica after "..And Justice For All" |
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Sellout city after that. However, "Master of Puppets" is one of the best albums ever. Very disappointing band.
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Thu Sep-14-06 01:45 PM
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72. I liked them up through (including) The Black Album |
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Thu Sep-14-06 08:00 PM
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88. Black was the sellout album. |
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No speed, ballads, pop hooks. Yick.
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Tue Sep-12-06 08:31 PM
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15. Up by R.E.M. was one of the worst albums in the world |
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Around the Sun was a close second...I expect them to do better on the new album. I want it to "rock out" more....
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Tue Sep-12-06 11:20 PM
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24. "Around The Sun" is even worse than "Up"... |
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it was so decidedly bad that it even got terrible reviews here in Athens. And that is something I thought I would never see.
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Tue Sep-12-06 11:45 PM
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25. Around The Sun got some good reviews |
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Split according to Metacritic. I like Up just a little more, but this is another case where I go against the bad reviews.
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Wed Sep-13-06 10:08 PM
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Your. Town. Is. Amazing.
nuff said. :D
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Thu Sep-14-06 04:12 PM
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84. Not really any longer...but the myth endures... |
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and it's important that it endures because a significant portion of its labor economy is dependent upon perpetuation of said myth.
I will explain further if you wish, otherwise I won't bore you :)
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Thu Sep-14-06 06:51 PM
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87. explain to me in pm...kay? |
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:12 AM
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27. As I said before, I agree about the rock! |
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I think they've milked the synth sound for all they can get. I might also be disappointed if they release a similar CD. I think Around The Sun collapses at the last three songs, but there are many standouts for me - "The Outsiders," "Make It All OK," "I Wanted To Be Wrong," "Aftermath," and "High Speed Train."
Night, all! :hi:
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Wed Sep-13-06 07:41 PM
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60. r.e.m has been in a rut since bill left |
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up, reveal and around the sun are horrid
the new tracks on the greatest hits LP showed promise, so maybe they'll bounce back
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Wed Sep-13-06 07:43 PM
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62. I have not liked an REM album since Bill Berry left the band. |
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For years, REM was my favorite band. "Murmur" is still my favorite album of all time. They just don't rock anymore...
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Tue Sep-12-06 08:33 PM
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16. I found DEVO's later work to be very disappointing. |
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17. After "New Traditionalists" (and even during parts of it), they |
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:24 PM
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28. Amen, brother. They shelved 1000s of better tracks! |
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Of course, that's a real godsend these days- them boys NEVER threw away an INCH of magnetic tape.
The occasional releases of demos, studio versions, practice sessions & other antique "etc." they saved from their "glory days" are certainly not as good as an actual new album...but they are WAAAAY better than that "Shout" synth-crap they called an "official release".
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Tue Sep-12-06 09:27 PM
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18. Four wonderful bands that went to shit right around 1983 |
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Public Image Ltd. The Stranglers Siouxsie and the Banshees Killing Joke
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:00 AM
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26. Yes on all four of those |
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Tue Sep-12-06 09:29 PM
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19. The Cure's last self titled album |
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made a strong comeback with Bloodflowers, then really sucked it up with the last one
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:44 PM
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45. I agree about that album |
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Was never a BIG Cure fan, but they are a good band.
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Wed Sep-13-06 07:43 PM
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61. the critics loved that one |
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but i think it was a little too much of an attempt to win over the interpol fans. bloodflowers, which was panned by the music snobs, was actually much better
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Tue Sep-12-06 09:34 PM
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I like the new stuff from R.E.M. (though it's not their best work,) U2, White Stripes, etc. - and really enjoy Hole's Celebrity Skin. As a fan, I find that I tend to follow where the artists go. But Veruca Salt's Resolver was a clunker. On that album, Louise Post focused so much on exorcising her own demons that the music suffered.
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Tue Sep-12-06 09:47 PM
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You say yes I say no You say stop And I say go go go!
You never give me your money You only give me your funny paper and in the middle of negotiations you break down
Boy, you gonna carry that weight Carry that weight a long time Boy, you gonna carry that weight Carry that weight a long time
Etcetera.
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:26 PM
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31. Nearly all of them at some point |
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As someone once said of the music industry, you get 20-odd years to make your first album, and then you have 6 months to make the follow up.
I wonder how many bands could be considered to have NEVER released a horrific song or album...
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:33 PM
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32. Many have released bad songs |
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I just can't think of many of my favorites that have made a bad album.
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:49 PM
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And I'll give you a bad album.
(There will, of course, be quibbling over taste, etc., but seriously, with the possible exception of The Beatles (and maybe Zep), I can think of at least one bad album by any name band that's had more than 4 or 5 albums out.)
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:52 PM
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We'd just be going in circles. I mean, if I like something, I'm not going to agree with you calling it bad.
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Wed Sep-13-06 02:04 PM
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50. Yeah, probably a good idea |
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But, I mean, The Rolling Stones have put out bad albums, U2 have put out a bad album or two, The Grateful Dead, etc., etc., etc.
This doesn't diminish my like of any of those bands; it's just really hard to bat 1.000 every time you're at the plate.
Missteps are easy; masterpieces are hard.
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Wed Sep-13-06 02:06 PM
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51. I actually dislike no U2 albums |
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And it's just a matter of taste. Now I agree that there are plenty of less than perfect albums, but I have standards for bad. :hi:
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:34 PM
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33. Yes - "Tormato." Rolling Stones - everything after "Exile on Main Street." |
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In Zeppelin's defense, they called it quits after "In Through The Out Door," ostensibly because of John Bonham's death, but I think because they realized "In Through The Out Door" was much weaker than any of their earlier albums, so there was no point in going on anyway, even with a new drummer. Just my opinion.
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Wed Sep-13-06 12:53 PM
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36. Tormato is a collection of really good songs |
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It's just that there's no cohesiveness to the collection whatsoever.
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:42 PM
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44. Rolling Stones probably have a bad one in there, but.. |
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I've mostly heard the big names, which are all good.
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59. I actually liked "Tormato." Maybe because I saw them on that tour. |
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It has a couple of clunkers -- like that stupid circus song. But I like that one sone "On the silent wings of freedom" I think it's called. I like Steve Howe's playing on that one.
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:02 PM
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37. Anything by Jacko post-Off the Wall |
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Off the Wall was a soul masterpiece. Everything else he did (Yes, I do mean Thriller) was crap pop aimed at the burgeouning MTV audience, which was a big nail in the coffin of Rock and Roll.
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42. I have to disagree there |
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Thriller was pop, but a masterpiece. It had musical integrity and strong singing. There IS good pop out there, everyone..
Now Michael's Dangerous was questionable, and Invincible plain bad IMO. There's a bad album from a great artist.
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Thu Sep-14-06 01:59 PM
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78. Not only Thriller but the Jacksons' Triumph album as well |
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Heartbreak Hotel, Lovely One, Can You Feel It are all classics.
Dangerous had some great moments but this is when he got into that habit of starting his songs with sound effects (windows breaking, hydraulic metal noises, thunderstorms, animal growls, etc.) and explosive synth blasts. In fact, from the Invincible album, Rock My World was a mellow relief (mind you, the video was so useless, I couldn't tell who looked more pathetic MJ, Drago or Brando).
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Wed Sep-13-06 01:17 PM
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38. KISS - album "Music from the Elder" |
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40. they had to have been good first.... |
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That was the name of it I think. That was a great song. Haven't heard it in years.
The 97th version of Riding the Storm Out. Not so great. :-)
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Wed Sep-13-06 02:09 PM
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52. Almost every 60's or 70's rock band that made it to the 80's. |
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The 80's just sucked musically and a lot of the rock greats got sucked into the major suckage. Some of them came back and did good work again in the 90's.
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53. My opinion is that there were more just plain |
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80s rock bands that made albums - lol.
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Wed Sep-13-06 02:28 PM
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55. David Bowie would be a good example... |
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"Scary Monsters" was brilliant; "Let's Dance" was, overall, a mistake (but saved from being totally horrible by the presence of a young Stevie Ray Vaughan on guitar and a few decent songs); "Tonight" was just horrible...but he did a few good albums in the '90's ("1. Outside" was the best work he'd done in years; I suspect working with Eno again may have had something to do with it).
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57. David Bowie had some missteps |
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As did Dylan. But still, I think many of my faves emerged pretty unscathed. By bad album, I mean D and F - in some cases C-. So I'm picky about it.
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70. Dylan is another good one |
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People will hate me for this but I would also say Bruce Springsteen. I think his early work in the 70's and more recent work is better than the 80's stuff with the e-street band like Born in the USA.
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71. OK, I hate you for it |
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:P
Seriously, I don't dislike any Bruce albums, but Ghost Of Tom Joad is a bit overrated.
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89. I love Ghost of Tom Joad |
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and Nebraska and his newest album. I don't like synthesized keyboards in almost any context.
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83. As a trend, I would agree... |
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But Nebraska is my favorite Springsteen album by a huge margin, so his 80's material can't be totally dismissed.
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80. Lots of exceptions though |
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Prince, Devo, Talking Heads and Tom Waits all come to mind.
80's Zappa is weaker than 60's or 70's, but still decent, with some great stuff mixed in.
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Wed Sep-13-06 02:28 PM
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54. Every Brian-less Beach Boys album |
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With Brian: "Pet Sounds" Without Brian: "Kokomo"
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Wed Sep-13-06 02:29 PM
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56. i was going to include that but then decided that it sort of didn't count |
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i mean 'kokomo' is the equivalent of a new beatles album with only ringo being in the band...though he probably wouldn't bastardize the name of the beatles as badly as mike love did the beach boys...
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Wed Sep-13-06 07:44 PM
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63. ani difranco for the last 4 or 5 years |
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she used to have such edge, wit and energy.
now it's just muddling bore and random strumming. it's like her soul was sucked out after little plastic castle
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Wed Sep-13-06 08:13 PM
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With that "Machina" debacle...
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Thu Sep-14-06 01:45 PM
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Now Billy Corgan's recent solo CD is another matter.
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Wed Sep-13-06 08:56 PM
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Wed Sep-13-06 09:02 PM
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68. Ani Difranco started to suck after she got married. |
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She's divorced now, so maybe she doesn't suck anymore though.
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Thu Sep-14-06 01:48 PM
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74. Well, I never cared for her |
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despite her liberal politics (I do have and enjoy "Self Evident.") Her new one, Reprieve, is a little more laid back, which might actually make it appeal more to me. :hi:
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Thu Sep-14-06 01:49 PM
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75. Aerosmith after Pump, Rush after Signals, Rainbow with Joe Lynn Turner, |
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Van Halen after Fair Warning.
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Thu Sep-14-06 01:54 PM
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76. I agree about Aerosmith |
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Just Push Play would get a B- or C+ IMO, but they did have some bad ones.
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Thu Sep-14-06 02:04 PM
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79. A lot of critics praised Isaac Hayes' 2-volume comeback albums |
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Raw and Refined but there was NOTHING on them that was worthy of a second listening. I think Ike's last true pound-for-pound great album was Chocolate Chip from 1975.
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Thu Sep-14-06 02:09 PM
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They followed up Colour By Numbers an almost PERFECT combination with Waking With The House On Fire, a mess with maybe or one or two gems (Dangerous Man, Mistake No. 3). They never recovered.
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Thu Sep-14-06 02:11 PM
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82. Anying by the Rolling Stones since like 1983 |
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Seriously!!!
It's probably the best thing that happened to Led Zeppelin, album-sales & legend-wise. "In Through the Out Door" was a great album (first one I ever bought for myself, rest I'd borrow from my brother) but it was definately going down a different path that who knows what would have happened if LZ continued on after Bonham's death.
BTW, Coda doesn't count. That album would have never happened if Bonham didn't die
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Fri Sep-15-06 11:36 AM
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90. I liked Voodoo Lounge |
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and Bridges to Babylon. I think the Stones started making good music again in the 90's, which goes back to the trend in my earlier post.
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Thu Sep-14-06 04:20 PM
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85. I am the biggest greenday fan!! "Shenanigans" sucked to me |
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Shenanigans Release Date: July 2, 2002
Track Listing: 1. Suffocate 2. Desensitized 3. You Lied 4. Outsider 5. Don't Wanna Fall in Love 6. Espionage (Instrumental) 7. I Wanna Be On TV 8. Scumbag 9. Tired of Waiting 10. Sick of Me 11. Rotting 12. Do Da Da 13. On the Wagon 14. Ha Ha You're Dead
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Thu Sep-14-06 04:37 PM
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86. Boy, this could end up being quite a list... |
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R.E.M. - IMHO Everything after Monster has sucked.
The Cure - Everykthing after Desintegration. It's Friday, and I'm throwing this CD against the wall.
Depeche Mode - Not feeling Exciter AT ALL....
Jane's Addiction - Kettle Whistle Blew
Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth. Sampling Michael Jackson is just the lowest.
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Fri Sep-15-06 11:44 AM
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Thread over. I win. Good night.
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