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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:27 AM
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I just bought a new guitar. I didn't really mean to.
I'd been looking on eBay, on and off, for Japanese copies of the legendary Gibson J-200 jumbo guitar that Elvis used in the '50s, '60s, and when he came back to live performing in 1969 and the couple of years that followed. I wanted the natural wood finish, and the reason I wanted a Japanese copy was that the real thing sells for thousands of dollars...yep, several thousand dollars for an acoustic guitar. The Japanese copies came out in the '70s and were known as 'lawsuit' copies because they were so similar to the Gibsons that Gibson filed lawsuits to force an end to production of such knock-offs. Earlier this year I bought, on eBay, an early '70s Japanese clone of the Gibson Dove guitar that I intend to paint black to match the Dove that Elvis used on stage for most of the '70s (complete with kenpo karate decal affixed to the guitar). I haven't done that yet but I've been messing around with the guitar over the last few days and got all excited about getting hold of a J-200 copy.

Here's Elvis with his 1956 Gibson J-200 in 1957 and (with custom pickguard and his name on the fingerboard) in 1969 -- he had a 1960 natural-finish J-200, too, bought when the 1956 one was late in coming back from being customized as shown in the second picture:




Anyway, I bid on a couple of vintage Japanese J-200 copies but, to my surprise, the final price ended up significantly over that of a brand new Epiphone version of the J-200, I guess because they're collectors' items. Now, the Epiphone copies are licensed by Gibson -- in fact, Epiphone (once a stand-alone company) is owned by Gibson so they probably make the guitars from the same basic specs and I assume they sell them for less both because they're missing the Gibson name and because they use less expensive woods and construction -- and a quick perusal of some guitar review sites revealed that they are well thought of in terms of sound and playability. Admittedly, the primary duty of any such guitar in my possession is to be a prop that looks the part, but good sound is a plus. Besides, the bridge on the Epiphone is more authentically J-200 than are those on the '70s Japanese copies.

I discovered that the best online price on an Epiphone 200 was a tenth or better the price of a new Gibson J-200 and so I put a natural-color Epihone EJ-200 on my eBay watch list with a fixed price of $349...I had no real intention of buying it, but just wanted it there to remind me. Then I saw a black version, complete with IKKA kenpo decal, that was billed as a copy of Elvis' that he started using on stage in 1974 (minus the pearl inlay of "Elvis Presley"on the fingerboard, that I don't want, anyway), on sale for with a reserve price somewhere below the 'buy it now' price of $450. I did a few exploratory bids before I came to my senses and then found a new plain black EJ-200 with a 'buy it now' price a hundred dollars less -- curiosity struck again and I ended up discovering that the reserve was $249, plus shipping, and spent the next three days half excited about the guitar and half hoping that I'd get outbid.

As it turned out, nobody else bid on the thing, so I'm now the proud owner of it. I can afford it now, at least, but it's not my most cerebral purchase. Still, unlike my Dove, it's ready for the stage as is, right now. I probably won't put the kenpo sticker on this one, either (Elvis added the sticker a few months after he started using the guitar on stage). And I'm for sure gonna apply adhesive film or something to the back of it to protect the finish from my jumpsuit studs and belts -- then again, wearing jumpsuits bought me this guitar, so maybe some authentic scratches are okay. Elvis thrashed his guitars with his aggressive strumming and general fooling around, and destroyed a number of expensive guitars during his career, but I'm going to baby this thing a lot more than he would have.

If anyone out there happens to be interested in guitars, or Elvis,. or both, I heartily recommend Scotty Moore's Web site, that has an excellent set of pages dealing with Elvis' performance guitars...some really interesting stuff there:

http://www.scottymoore.net/epguitars.html

I haven't really played guitar in 20 years, and I've enjoyed (sore fingertips aside) doodling around with it the last few days. I used to love playing guitar, acoustic and electric. Maybe this time I'll go further with the instrument and learn to play it better than I ever did before...for a start, I'd settle for being able to play like Elvis (he was a lot better than many, including himself, have said...he certainly played more than the three chords he claimed to know) and, once there, I'll aim for even halfway approaching the level of competence displayed by my musical hero, DU's very own johnnie. :headbang:

Still want a natural-finish J-200, though. And, of course, a 1964 Gretsch Country Gentleman electric guitar, the same year and model Elvis used on stage and in rehearsals 1969-1970...but the last one of those I had my eye on, on eBay, went for $3000.

In the meantime, I'll settle for buying a couple of the Electrovoice re-10 microphones that Elvis used for most of the '70s, just to add a little authenticity (I've got an Electrovoice mic now, but it's a post-Elvis model). Already got the windscreens for them.

This is fun. Expensive, but fun. :D



Elvis in 1974 with his ebony J-200



Forrest's next step toward a Tufnelesque collection of guitars...all I gotta do now is learn how to play 'em
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:29 AM
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1. Oh thars cool
Dig the color!!
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:36 AM
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2. We are the
Men Who Play Black Guitars. :D

How're the fingers doing? I already feel like Ringo, at the end of "Helter Skelter": "I've got blisters on my fingers!"

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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:38 AM
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3. Its going really slow
I should have practiced last night but these damn georgous Du women pulled me away.
And my fingers are getting better

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:45 AM
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5. Those darned DU babes
They're sucking away your life essence, man, as surely as if they were depleting you of your Precious Bodily Fluids. Come with me and we'll go sit in a cave for a few years, in celibacy, with our guitars and a copy of the Peter, Paul, and Mary songbook...we'll be like Steve Vai and Stevie Ray Vaughan by the time we emerge. :D

Kinda hard to get those fingers moving about right, though, isn't it? I'd love to be able to play at least a little lead guitar, one day, but I'd settle for being a good rhythm player...some of those chords are tough. For the first time, though, I'm throwing in some of the little runs that Elvis used to love to do between chord changes, and that's kinda cool -- adds character to the sound and may even be useful in my job at some point.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:49 AM
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6. I am up for all that
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 03:50 AM by GoPsUx
But can i sneak in a few naughty girls :evilgrin:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:54 AM
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8. Well, yeah, of course
After all, we need someone to cook for us....








:hide:




It's sex and food and rock 'n' roll, baby...

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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:00 AM
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9. Thats true
Crap we are gonna get killed now!
:)
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:04 AM
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10. Don't worry about it
Secretly, they want to be our groupies.


You wait here and get ready to tell them that when they come. I've got to run out, quickly, to...um...to see a man about some chords.



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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:38 AM
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4. Hey, sometimes a good impulse buy is fun.
I bought a ball python on an impulse once. I'm pretty knowledgable about herps though, so I can impulse buy them without the creature suffering for it.

Nice guitar though. One day I'll learn how to play my guitar. My parents had promised to get me guitar lessons in HS as a b-day present, but that was another example of them not following through. On the plus side, when they remembered they didn't get me a b-day present six months later, I freaking p0wned them for like a month.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:53 AM
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7. You're right!
And I tend to make my impulse buys on things that I've already researched, like with this guitar...I tend to research everything pretty thoroughly before I buy, anyway. In this case the impulse was just buying to now instead of waiting 'til I might actually really need a second acoustic guitar. :D

I'm happy that, at least, your missed birthday present led to the gift that keeps on giving (well, for a month, anyway)...you might not need guitar lessons, though (at least to get started), because guitar's one of those things that seems easier to teach yourself than is the case with some musical instruments. By that I mean that you can probably pick up at least three chords very quickly (G, C, and D did it for me) and use those to play a ton of songs...it's not going to be Hendrix or Segovia, but it's at least going to give you a rhythm backing of kum-bay-ya campfire caliber, and you can go from there. I used to find messing around on guitar pretty thereapeutic, especially with some of the emotionally-shattering (girl-boy) moments I had back when I was playing it regularly. I wish I'd learned to play it properly when I was really young, but the good news for you and I (and GoPsUx!) is that it's never too late. :D
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 04:49 AM
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11. congrats!
glad someone else is up besides me. :hi:

I was learning guitar when my hearing problems started and now I can't hear to tune it (or maybe I'm tone deaf as well, not sure, lol) but both of my brothers are really talented. My oldest brother used to be able to play blues guitar but then he decided it was the devil's music or something and gave it up. I really miss hearing him play, he was incredible (to my unschooled ear). It's great you got the one you wanted (I think, I read the whole post but I kind of got confused). Maybe we'll get to hear you play some on your recordings?

G'night, (there anyway, here it's morning)...

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:13 AM
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12. I SHOULDN'T be up, but
here I am. :D

:hi:

Does your other brother still play? It's a pity about your oldest brother giving up because it's the devil's music, or whatever he thought, but I guess that's his call. The blues are heavenly, to me. :-)

Do you ever drag the guitar out and bang around on it? It's good stuff, no matter how it sounds. I'll have to see how I go in terms of playing along with songs I record, though it'd be good practice just as the recording is vocal practice for me. Its main purpose really is to be a prop for the first two songs or so in a concert presentation...one thing's for sure, though, I won't throw it away like Elvis did. He broke a string while playing it on stage in Massachusetts in 1975 -- not very unusual, the way he played -- and got peeved at his guitar and threw it to the back of the stage where an audience member caught it...they sold it a few years ago for $55000. The next night he switched back to his black Dove guitar that he'd used throughout the early '70s but, during the last show of that tour, in Asheville, he just gave it away to a dude sitting in the front row, saying "Hold on to that. Hopefully, it'll be valuable one day." :D

Crazy.



The final flight of Elvis' ebony J-200, photographed by the man who caught it


The guitar with its new owners, in 1997, five years before they sold it
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:34 PM
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13. wow.
I just went and looked up that stuff about that Mike Harris guy in Asheville, that's really neat. The school he was going to at the time Elvis gave him the guitar is where my sister went. No my brother does not play guitar any more. He is an amazingly talented artist as well and doesn't do that anymore either. He's done amazing drawings of Billie Holliday and Louis Armstrong and all those artists and his stuff is just flawless but now he's just a professional christian. He had quite a collection of jazz and blues recordings that he donated to the library in Asheville when he got even more religious (which I didn't even think was possible). I don't mess with the guitar any more; the way I deal with my ear problems is to ignore it and when I have to focus in on something and try to hear it it makes me a)pissed and b) depressed, lol, so I just avoid stuff like that. I've been thinking about it lately, honestly though because I've been listening to some of Shakira's ballads and I'd love to be able to play them (particularly this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFG1CN3Yo9U&mode=related&search= ). Lord knows musical talent runs in my family, it just may have hopped over me perhaps, lol. I read of a musician who has the same problem who tunes her instrument to the sound in her ears...but she was trained before it happened. I gave my guitar to my brother in an attempt to get him to start playing again, but I don't know what happened to it, I haven't seen it since. My youngest brother's guitar is sitting right behind me actually. He picked it up really, really fast when he started. He can also draw amazingly well. Congrats again on your purchase and thanks for the Elvis info. Maybe you can get your sleep schedule straightened out soon, hope so!
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:42 PM
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16. Asheville's a great place
Elvis seemed to like it, too -- he only played there on that one tour but he added a show or two and stayed three days. He also gave away (to a random audience member), in addition to the guitar, a $6500 ring and while in Asheville he'd distributed something like $85000 worth of jewelry amongst his band members and backup singers. He also sang a bunch of songs he never (or rarely) did before on stage and generally seemed to enjoy himself. He was pretty heavy on that tour but still looked good and those Asheville shows were the highlight of one of the best tours he gave in the '70s (I've got all three as audience recordings). I'd love to have been at any of those concerts, but when I made it to Asheville a couple of decades later I was still happy enough to be there....nice place!

It sounds like artistic talent, musical and otherwise, runs in your family! I guess, on the bright side, at least your oldest brother donated his music to the library rather than throwing it away or otherwise wasting it. I really like that song from Shakira...she's got a great voice and I love the instrumentation, too. Doesn't matter that I have no idea what she's saying. :D

Found the chords!:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/s/shakira/no_crd.htm

And thanks for the sleepytime wishes! I'm all over the place now, getting a couple or few hours at odd times...think I'm going to just push myself today in the hope that I'll fall asleep before sunrise when I get back from work tomorrow morning.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:28 PM
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38. thanks for looking that song up.
I hope you get your sleep back on track. Right now I am upside down like you are and I'm starting to feel the effects of it; I feel like I'm in a semi-comatose state sleeping during the day and being up at night...I'm definitely not at the top of my game, lol.

In that song she's basically saying the same thing she did in "La Tortura"; this dude is cheating on her and then telling her it's not going to happen again. In La Tortura he says something to the effect of 'you can have me Monday through Friday, just let me have the weekend off', lol. Honestly I think she's writing about her current boyfriend, who is the son of a president of some Latin American country and seems like a complete jerk, if her lyrics are any indication; both those songs are on her most recent CD. The lyrics are translated here on this site http://freckle.tenkeimedia.com/nl/shakira/no.html that has all her songs translated although they are pretty literal.

I used to work second shift and probably am going to start that up really soon again; I know how hard it is to get wound down when you get through. Here's hoping you can do it. Good luck!
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:39 AM
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47. Hello, shipmate!
Given that we're in the same boat, sleep-wise. :D

I didn't know Shakira was with some presidentiable dude....sounds like he's no good for her. She needs me. :-)
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:41 AM
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48. she had you.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 12:45 AM by idgiehkt
sort of. I think I'll keep the other details to myself...


edit, here's some info on the SOB in question:

"After this was released, Shakira's boyfriend was the subject of a great deal of controversy. She was dating Antonio De La Rua, the son of Argentinean president Fernando De La Rua, who resigned in December, 2001 with Argentina's economy in turmoil. On his last day in office, 5 protesters were shot by police guarding the presidential palace, which enraged Argentines as well as many other Latin Americans. Considering Shakira guilty by association, Tower Records refused to sell her CD at the request of the president of Tower Records Argentina. The younger De La Rua wrote speeches for his father. He was in the video for another song on the album called "Underneath Your Clothes."

As far as I know they are still together but I could be wrong. The timeline is right for him to be the subject of these songs though.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 01:40 PM
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14. Way ahead of you dude
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 01:41 PM by johnnie


Me and my EJ-200



Me and my EJ-200C (The electric version) You can tell I was a bit out of it in that picture, that's why it is blurry.



I wanted to get the sticker too..lol.


And BTW, it is a good choice of guitars. Epiphone makes some nice ones if you ask me. Glad to see you got one.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:58 PM
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19. Excellent!
Though I thought you would've thrown at least one of them into the audience by now (without resultant lawsuit, I hope).

I like the second shot, too -- great action shot, suggestive of much rocking and rolling. And, of course, the pose with the EJ-200...classic: a man and his guitar.

I'm looking forward to getting it and playing the thing, and -- better yet -- not just relearning how to play but doing it better than before. Sounds like a nice guitar and I do love the tones of the Gibson J-200 (and the 150, I think it is, that so many people have because it's not quite as arm-and-leg expensive as the 200). I can't believe how expensive those Gibson acoustic guitars, are, at least the Dove and the J-200.

I made a booboo when I mentioned the re-10 mics up above, though...I believe that Elvis used them (hard to tell from pictures, because they look the same as the re-15) but the microphone he used most from 1969 (and in the 'sit down' part of the '68 TV Special) to 1973 was the Electro-Voice re-15, first without a windshield and then with a windshield (some of them not made for the 15, hence the electrical tape or rubber bands in evidence in many photos). It looks like the re-15 is more scarce, more sought-after, and probably more expensive, but I'll keep my eyes open for it. I was just about to buy a pair of re-10 mics, too, so I'm glad I refeshed my memory about which one was the classic Elvis mic of the '70s. Bill Porter, his sound engineer in the '60s Nashville studio sessions and in his live performances in the '70s, fixed Elvis up with re-15s because, apparently, they're good for someone who moves off-axis, and Elvis sure did that a lot, and they can easily take a full-throated vocal attack from someone like Elvis...the windshield was a big necessity for him, too, and I don't know why they didn't add them to his stage mics until 1972. In the meantime, I'm going to get hold of a Shure SM-57 with the squared-off windshield that screws on (he used it plain on stage in '69 and with the windshield for part of 1972). I know the SM-57 (like the MS-58) is a pretty storied vocalists' mic, as is the re-15 and its relatives, and I'm kind of looking forward to seeing how it compares to my recent-model (767a?) Electro-Voice mic, quite apart from the whole Elvis emulation aspect of my buying it.

Rock on!!!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 03:54 PM
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15. Beautiful!
Enjoy many fine hours with your new axe. :headbang: :bounce:

As soon as I get the den upstairs in shape, I need to set aside room for my guitars. I have withdrawals!
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:02 PM
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21. Thanks!
Do you have, in your collection, a guitar that people aren't even allowed to look at? :D



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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:04 PM
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23. Yes, as a matter of fact
My Gibson Flying V... many years ago attempted a custom paint job, and it's awfully sloppy, lol.

When you look at, you can hear the sustain! :headbang:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:14 PM
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26. It's not sloppy,
it's avant-garde. :D

I cna hear the sustain from here.

Oh, wait a minute...that's just the results of having eaten lots of beans the past 24 hours. Never mind... :P
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:43 PM
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17. sweetness....
I bet it sounds GREAT!...:hi:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:03 PM
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22. Apparently, it sounds very nice
Of course, how it'll sound in my hands is another story, all together.... :D
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:51 PM
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18. Oooo...
this will surely drive the Ladies wild. I don't know a thing about guitars Mr.Gump, except for the names of the pioneers.

you did good, yes?! it sure does look pretty. :hi: :)
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:10 PM
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24. If it's like my motorcycle, the only people who're irresistably attracted
to it will be males between the age of four and 94. :D

Maybe if I do this, it'll help:



:D

Cool...just realized that this picture's from when Elvis played Auburn, AL, in March of 1974...I just mentioned that concert in another DU thread last night -- it's all connected, somehow!!


But I'm still looking forward to getting it. And it's a good price for a new one, I think. So I guess it wasn't that silly a purchase. :hug:
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 05:59 PM
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20. "I accidentally bought a guitar"
:rofl:

That's a purty guitar, though.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:12 PM
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25. Shoot, my MOTORCYCLE was kind of an accidental purchase
:P

I'm good with money, and do lots of research before I buy things, but sometimes I Just Do It. :D

Really, though, I've got to let someone else find out what the reserve price is on some of these eBay auctions...

And, yeah, it shore is purty.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:38 PM
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41. "Honey, I accidentally bought a guitar. I didn't mean to."
My wife would say, "Well, you can 'accidentally' box it up and ship it back."

She might not say that, but she wouldn't be happy with me, I can tell you that!!
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:14 PM
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27. That's amazing that the drumkits back then had double bass
I didn't think double bass came around until thrash!
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:42 PM
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29. Ronnie Tutt, Elvis' drummer in the '70s (his '70s stage band was
comprised of experienced studio musicians, headed by guitarist James Burton), used double bass drums the whole time he was with Elvis, which was from Elvis' return to the stage in 1969 through to the last tour. I think he was kind of unusual in that respect, back in those days. It worked really well for Elvis, though, suting his percussive stage style and the karate movements -- Elvis' live songs tended to be very heavy with drums. He even taught Ronnie karate, partly so he'd be able to betetr anticipate and follow Elvis' moves. In the '60s studio sessions Elvis would often have two drummers, each playing a drum kit, in the studio with him, so Ronnie Tutt's proliferation of drums made him a natural match. They hit it off, too, when he auditioned to be in Elvis' band -- Elvis loved that Ronnie watched him and tailored his drumming to Elvis' moves and gestures.

My brother's a heavy-metal drummer, who plays two-bass kits, and he's always been impressed by Ronnie Tutt's style and the fact that he was using two bass drums way back then.
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:05 PM
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34. Very interesting post
I never had a clue about the drummer
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:18 PM
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28. I LOVE Gibson guitars. My dream is a J160
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:45 PM
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30. This one?
The acoustic-electric?



It certainly comes with good testimonials from these two endorsers! :D

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 07:52 PM
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33. Yeah, that's exactly why
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:19 PM
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35. George had a J-200, too


He used it on the White Album sessions and thereafter -- it's the guitar in "Here Comes The Sun."
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:28 PM
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36. Yeah, but I've never liked the Jumbos. I can't play em
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 08:28 PM by ComerPerro
They resonate like crazy though, and sound really good.

Just personal taste.

Is the J160 used in "Across the Universe"?
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 08:53 PM
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37. I hope I can play it!
:o

I mean, I really would prefer that I can use the guitar for more than just a prop. Then again, I've always got my Dove copy.

I don't know if it's the J-160 on "Across The Universe" -- he had a Martin D-28 that he was using at that time and that's almost certainly the guitar he used when composing the song. Someone around here might be able to tell, even with the confounding effect or studio magic, whether John's acoustic guitar in that song sounds like the Gibson or the Martin. And if he grabbed a guitar that belonged to another of the Beatles, odds are good it'd be the same choice: J-160 or D-28.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:33 PM
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39. Yeah, Just about any Martin would be nice. I've never played a bad one
as for being able to play the jumbo, you should be able to.

I just never liked reaching over and around them, found them cumbersome.

But I'm used to my G&L Strat, which is quite thin
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:48 AM
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49. Yeah, solid-body electric guitars are a lot easier to handle, if
memory serves. Heavier, but easier to handle because of the lower profile.

Those Martins are beautiful guitars. I really like how Paul McCartney, in his tours, uses the same instruments he used on the original Beatles songs -- when I saw him here last November, he used his 1960s Martin D-28 on "Blackbird," just as he did on the original recording. Pretty cool.

Elvis gave one of those away, too, in his last year (a D-35 -- it fell off its strap and the top of the guitar got smashed up at the base end, so he asked who stood in line the longest for tickets and gave them the guitar).
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:37 PM
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40. I love the Gibson Jumbos but would love a Hummingbird.
My friend has one and it is an amazing guitar. It is easy to play and sounds incredible.

A Martin would do just fine, too.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:55 PM
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45. I've played Hummingbirds, love them
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:49 AM
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50. Is the Hummingbird pretty similar to the Dove?
Seems like both were pretty popular with folk-singing types.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:43 AM
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57. They are very similar -- I'm not sure of the differences, though. n/t
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 06:50 PM
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31. kick ass thread.
didn't know Elvis played a Gretsch. That's going to be my next purchase. In 2036 when I can afford it.

Goddamn look at Elvis. How rock can you get.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 07:19 PM
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32. I feel your pain
about the whole affording-it bit. The Country Gentlemen guitars seem to start at $1200 or so on eBay but they skyrocket up from there -- might be a while before I can justify that kind of expense!

Here's a picture of Elvis on stage with his 1964 Gretsch in 1969:



He played acoustic and electric guitar a lot during that first Vegas season, and less so thereafter (though he did play his Gretsch in the next two Vegas seasons and on tour a couple of times).

George Harison had two of the suckers, a 1962 and a 1963, and the 1962 one ended up smashed across the road somewhere in England after it fell out of the Beatles' limousine... :-(



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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:42 PM
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44. you need to check out this site
http://www.guitarden.com one of the coolest vintage/used guitar stores, and its right up the street from me. all their merchandise is online.



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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:54 AM
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51. Oh, boy
I could get myself in big trouble there. :D

And I'm not even a gun guitarist!

Their prices look pretty fair, though, I must say. It was kind of a shock to find how expensive acoustic guitars are -- not just the Gibsons, but others, too. Seems like they're way pricier than even some of the most classic electric guitars.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 09:41 PM
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42. Congrats!
:toast:

So....what song are you going to serenade me with? :D
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:56 AM
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52. Thanks!
You hum it, and I'll play it, baby. :D




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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:12 AM
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55. Hold on -
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 01:17 AM by u4ic
I thought my job in this was to bat my eyelashes, swoon and drop a rose off my balcony at the end of it?!

Besides, we have moose in this area; my humming just may set them into a rutting frenzy. :scared:

You pick. ;-)

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:40 AM
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56. Well, I'm already in a rutting frenzy...
:o


...so maybe I should wait 'til I cool down a bit. :D

I can't help it, honey, you just gimme a Fever.

:loveya:
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:03 PM
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58. Oh. my.







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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:54 PM
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59. Mmmmmmm....Roses...




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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:40 PM
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43. Let the open strings ring on the 4...that's the secret to Elvis'...
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 10:42 PM by mitchum
rhythm guitar style, but I bet you already know that :)

Edit to add: Chet Atkins was a REAL dick for discouraging Elvis from playing on the records.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:05 AM
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53. Nope...I didn't know that
:D

Learn something every day here!

And, yeah, Chet Atkins was almost a fatal dampener on Elvis when he came to RCA, before Elvis shook him off. The release of "Heartbreak Hotel" almost didn't happen. Kind of weird, really, because everyone I've met or read about says how easy Elvis was to get along with and Chet Atkins sounds similarly easygoing and likeable...I guess it was a function of his disdain for what he perceived as a threat to 'pure' country music.

Some of the outtakes I've got from Elvis' 1969 Memphis sessions have him playing his guitar while he was singing "True Love Travels On A Gravel Road," his bass-string runs being quite prominent -- he's sort of gently told off by one of his band members who says it sounds a little weird and that maybe he can just hold the guitar if it makes him feel better. It's pretty funny...sure enough, though, Elvis couldn't stop playing those little runs. :D

On some of his RCA recordings his guitar is pretty prominent, though (especially on gospel songs, though he often played piano on those, and on blues -- it's pretty easy to pick on songs like "Reconsider, Baby" and "Stranger In My Own Home Town"). He had a pretty recognizable guitar style (piano style, too).
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:00 AM
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46. I bought a Black Ovation Applause at Costco last year...
I have a Kramer Electric and an older Ovation...

But I really like the action of the Cheapo Costco guitar...
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:07 AM
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54. Cool!
We could start a black guitar club on DU...the Black Axe Gang. :D

I love Costco!
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