Vilest. Fundie. Website. Ever.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

:puke::puke:

Created to be His Help Meet

I think I just threw up inside my mouth.

***

From the "Excerpts" section, where the book is talking about the "Command" man:

If you are married to a king, honor and reverence is something you must give him on a daily basis if you want him to be a benevolent, honest, strong, and fulfilled man of God. He has the potential to become an amazing leader. Never shame him, and do not belittle him or ignore his accomplishments. Make it your life’s goal to become his queen.

From the "Testimonials" section:

"I am 30 years old and have been married for five years. I was not raised a Christian. Humanism and feminism were deeply rooted in my personality. I thought that the Lord had completely banished those things from me at the time of my salvation. I am so excited now to let go of all my selfish motives and agendas and ways of doing things and to have such purpose in my life as a help meet to my man. The way your book is written is so different from the popular Christian women’s books in the stores today. It is real.”
~ Mrs. C.

“I just finished reading your book on being a help meet. It is truly the best book I have read to date on marriage and godly womanhood. This book needs to be in the hands of every married woman (newly married to the aged). My husband knows nothing of my reading this, yet has made comments, such as, ‘I noticed you didn’t buck my decision on _____’ and ‘You didn’t badger me about doing _____’. I hope all the years ahead will make up for my lack in the past. I don’t have to worry anymore because I know that God is the captain even when my husband is steering. I know that I will experience greater joy for the rest of my life just by coming to understand these things.”
~ A Grateful and Joyful Wife

****

Remember, ladies, our job is to sit down, spread our legs, and shut the fuck up.

:eyes:

:puke::puke:

[LeftyMom]

1. There is nastier. Go look at the same couple's child rearing book.

Hint: they waited until the kids were grown to publish it in order to avoid prosecution.

[yurbud]

6. I went through an evangelical period and while in the navy, visited a

church where the pastor talked about how kids needed to be beaten with a belt. He said after he gave that sermon once, a big football player in high school came up to him in tears and said he had never been spanked, and asked the pastor to do it. And he did.

I didn't go back there.

That sounded like the Jethro version of what frat boys do to each other.

[LeftyMom]

7. Wow.

Please tell that story the next time somebody starts in on the "we need to reach out to evangelicals" speech in GD. What they seem to forget is that these people are batshit crazy.

Don't believe me? Here's the Pearl method of potty training:

You pick a day they'll be using the potty. From that day forward whenever the kid has an accident you take them out in the back yard, strip the child and hose them off. No matter what the weather. I think there's probably some switching involved too, there usually is with these people.

[yurbud]

10. like white trash need an excuse to beat their kids in the first place

[LeftyMom]

12. Yeah, but tell them Gawd wants them to and there's no restraint

That's the part that scares me.

[yurbud]

18. "I was jis' gon spank yuh with a harbrush, but the lord said, 'spare...

the rod and spoil the child,' so I'm gonna use this tire iron."

[ComerPerro]

16. man, I tell people that all the time in those threads, and they go nuts

"How dare you insult their faith" and "see, this is why they think Dems hate religion. Because of people like you who say they are crazy".

But, yes, I agree, that would be a nice little "food for thought" post to add to a "reach out" thread.


:rofl:

[WindRavenX]

23. you are kidding me

You pick a day they'll be using the potty. From that day forward whenever the kid has an accident you take them out in the back yard, strip the child and hose them off.

How horrible :cry:

[Chan790]

26. and illegal

at least here in CT anyways. DCF would take that child away, probably for the nudity and exposure as much as the abuse. How god-awful can some people be towards their children?

[XemaSab]

49. You're not shitting

TRAINING NOT TO TOUCH
There is much satisfaction in training up a child. It is easy and challenging. When my children were able to crawl (in the case of one, roll) around the room, I set up training sessions.

Try it yourself. Place an appealing object where they can reach it, maybe in a "No-no" corner or on an apple juice table (That's where the coffee table once sat). When they spy it and make a dive for it, in a calm voice say, "No, don't touch it." They will already be familiar with the "No," so they will pause, look at you in wonder and then turn around and grab it. Switch their hand once and simultaneously say, "No." Remember, you are not disciplining, you are training. One spat with a little switch is enough. They will again pull back their hand and consider the relationship between the object, their desire, the command and the little reinforcing pain. It may take several times, but if you are consistent, they will learn to consistently obey, even in your absence.

[TheMightyFavog]

36. If he wanted to be spanked so badly...

Why didn't he just go to his friendly neighborhood dominatrix?

[Sequoia]

75. Are you serious?

This sounds like a comedy.

[Control-Z]

57. I feel sick n/t

[Okiojira]

2. Eeeewwww....

....wow, as a male, I find that totally creepy. Can't imagine how insulting that must sound to the average intelligent woman.

And what's up with the title - "Created to Be His Help MEET"? "MEET"? WTF does that mean?! Sounds to me more like they meant to say "mate" in place of "meet". Or have I just not had enough coffee today? It would figure though, given the obvious mental discrepancy inherent in this whole concept, that they would have published both a book and a website with a glaringly obvious typo.

See you in hell, fellow feminist-minded heathen...

[WritingIsMyReligion]

3. "Helpmeet" is the term used in the Bible to describe a dutiful wife.

It's an archaic form of "helpmate," meaning literally "to meet him with help," or something of that sort.

I'll bring the beverages....Maybe we can get Satan to join in! :)

[Okiojira]

38. Ah, I see...

...thanks for the clarification!

[seemunkee]

54. I thought they misspelled meat

seems appropriate in this case

[CBHagman]

93. "Meet" here means "suitable"

This is another of those cases where people quote the King James Version of the Bible, and the languaeg makes no sense to the speaker of contemporary English.

http://bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=149

"... It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him" (Genesis 2:18 KJV).

"Now the Lord God said, It is not good (sufficient, satisfactory) that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper meet (suitable, adapted, completing) for him" (Genesis 2:18 Amplified).

Someone should create a book and/or website about all the Bible verses that are misunderstood because the translation used is in such archaic language that the average English speaker doesn't understand it. A perfect example is this quotation from Jesus: "Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God." Mark 10:14. If you read the gospel passage in question, you'll see that people were bringing their children to see Jesus and be blessed by him, and that "suffer" in this case means "permit" or "allow." But people constantly lift that passage out of context and inappropriately quote it when something terrible happens to a child. Notice that phrase is not "the little children suffer" but "suffer the little children."

[miss_american_pie]

4. Oh the Pearls

Yeah, they're pretty good at teaching people how to raise serial killers, too. :eyes:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

5. I heard about that.

Ridiculously disgusting people.

[MrScorpio]

8. I was raised in a religious household, some might say fundie...

But this shit is really fuckin' ridiculous!

[yurbud]

9. A funny real one: Wholesomewear--American beach burkhas

veil optional

http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html

[Chan790]

13. brilliant

that's the dumbest thing I've seen in years. Not to be too picayune but modesty in swimwear...less important than not drowning because you're wearing 15 pounds of cloth which weighs 40-50 lbs in water after you've managed to get tangled on something.

Swimwear...not modest because excess swimwear kills.

Just another PSA from Chan.

[yurbud]

19. like that one chick would inspire lust even if she was naked.

[LeftyMom]

22. Are we sure that's not a man?

:shrug:

[yurbud]

27. oh yeah, he played the dad on WONDER YEARS. Mullet threw me.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

32. Wow, I normally don't join in on this, but that totally looks like a man.

[LeftyMom]

34. I'd normally not bring it up, because I think it's tacky when it's women

who just don't look perfectly feminine. That, however, is obviously a dude. It'd take a DNA test and the testimony of a gynecologist to convinve me otherwise.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

35. Definitely.

I wonder if super fundies have a higher rate of drowning than normal? I mean, I can't even imagine swimming in one of those things. I might be an immodest heathen, but at least my bikini won't drown me.

[yurbud]

59. she will be right over to kick your ass or have your babies. or both.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

24. omfg.

:spray:

[Elidor]

25. I swear that's Terry Jones on the top left

[YellowRubberDuckie]

50. Wholesome?

Those things show way too much leg and it's showing their face. We can't have that. :sarcasm:

[yurbud]

60. the last one is more like Holstien

[ScreamingMeemie]

71. While I would say she isn't very attractive and the suits are just stupid,

most women in the US would kill to be that size. This is why my own daughter thinks she is fat.

[yurbud]

72. hook up her TV, cell phone, computer, and iPod to a treadmill.

I don't care if a girl is carrying a few extra pounds, and I think there is something to the hormonal argument. On the other hand, a lot of Americans lead very sedentary lifestyles, and have the worst possible diet.

[ScreamingMeemie]

74. That person isn't carrying a few extra pounds, and neither is my daughter.

Any doctor would tell you that. My daughter wears a size 8-10 and is not fat, but you would think so. FYI my daughter is a softball, basketball, volleyball player... she could probably exercise you right under the table.

[yurbud]

79. I wouldn't think that woman is particulary fat, I was just getting carried

away with the Holstein bit. I've probably gone out with girls bigger than 8-10, and would even marry one.

I thought you meant fat by guys standards. Women give themselves a hard time about stuff a lot of guys wouldn't notice, and those anorexic models are trying to impress other women, not attract guys because there is such a thing as too skinny.

If your daughter was my type and she could exercise me under the table, I wouldn't have an issue with her weight.

[ScreamingMeemie]

80. She only has eyes for Magglio...and I told her he's too old for her.

:)

I probably went after you a little harshly...I just got done writing an nasty LTTE to the Free Press over their style section.

[yurbud]

87. what is Magglio?

[CatholicEdHead]

51. Right out of the 1920's

They are still showing elbow and knees though. ;)

[Deep13]

73. I'm gonna take a dip in my tuxedo.

:eyes:

[WildEyedLiberal]

85. You know, why don't MEN ever have to be "modest"?

Why is it that, in all fundie religions (Christianity, Islam, whatever), there's always an OBSESSION with women being "modest" and obscuring their bodies, but there are never any similar requirements for men?

Are swim trunks okay for men, even though they show off probably 80% of the nude flesh of the male (in addition to perhaps a teasing hint of what's hidden, if the trunks are clingy enough)?

Of course they are. It's only WOMEN who must be veiled, obscured, hidden, made "pure." Is it because fundy men are so incapable of controlling their penises that the sight of a woman in a bikini would provoke them into a frenzied lust, causing them to immediate ravage said woman and thus fall into "sin"? Or is it because only women are expected to be chaste and save their bodies for their Godly husbands?

[philosophie_en_rose]

11. Sick. Apparently wives must grovel to earn the love of Abusive men.

A woman married to a Command Man has to earn her place in his heart by proving that she will stand by her man, faithful, loyal, and obedient. When she has won his confidence, he will treasure her to the extreme.

[Chan790]

Well how else

do you think these men plan on keeping their "dutiful" wives from leaving with the kids after they beat mother and child within an inch of their lives every time the kid spits-up on the leather interior of the camaro?

[philosophie_en_rose]

17. right. cheerful obedience will make him change.

:sarcasm:

Gosh those people suck.

[unsavedtrash]

14. praise white jesus

Since I'm gay does that mean I am supposed to be dutiful to my female partner or should I just start building my little hand basket taking me straight to hell?

[bridgit]

15. how could 'women' have lost their way, we're the only ones asking...

for directions in this apple dumpling gang :rofl:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

39. Pfft...

:spray:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

20. Even some fundies find this over the top

Years ago I remember reading a fundamentalist reaction to The Total Woman by saying that being so reverent toward one's husband was idolatry.

[TheBaldyMan]

21. holy crap, no pun intended

What next, fundie women expected to wear a veil, never seen without a male member of their family?

I thought this was a satirical site like Landover Baptists but these people are real Baptists.

[LeftyMom]

30. Head covering for women is increasingly popular in the fundieverse

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-10-04-covering_x.htm

[GoneOffShore]

28. Can't go there

My blood pressure would go through the roof.

I don't understand what is wrong with these people, and how they go so twisted.

When I was growing up my mother was a Southern Baptist. But my dad was Pennsylvania German Congregationalist. So we ended up going to a Presbyterian church, which was pretty liberal. But I got thrown out of Sunday School when I was about 8 when I said that Superman was more powerful than Jeebus. And no one could explain that to me.

I stopped going to church and pretty much ditched religion by the time I was 18 - though I almost ended up a Unitarian minister.

Long strange trip.

[Guava Jelly]

29. Finally A Web sight that speaks The truth!!!!

Now go make me a sammich Woman :rofl: :sarcasm: in case you are wondering I am joking :7
Thats some crazy shit!

[Ellen Forradalom]

31. Even sadder

There's nothing wrong with helping, or with not nagging or badgering; but this twists those good ideas horribly.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

68. Of course, helping and not nagging or badgering...

goes both ways. It's called being polite and kind. And being bossy sure as hell ain't being polite or kind.

[Ellen Forradalom]

33. She must be a ZZ Top fan

by the look of Mr. Pearl.

[ElboRuum]

37. A Help Meet?

What the fuck is a "help meet"?

You know, I once had this idea to start my own religion, just to fuck with people. Then I saw this website and realized that someone beat me to the punch.

[Oeditpus Rex]

40. This sounds like a D/s relationship

camouflaged under some holy cloak:

Command Men have less tolerance, so they will often walk off and leave their clamoring wife before she has a chance to realize that she is even close to losing her marriage. By the time she realizes that there is a serious problem, she is already a divorced mother seeking help in how to raise her children alone. A woman can fight until she is blue in the face, yet the Command Man will not yield. Yielding would be against his personhood. He is not as intimate or vulnerable as are other men in sharing his personal feelings or vocation with his wife. He seems to be sufficient unto himself. It is awful being shut out. A woman married to a Command Man has to earn her place in his heart by proving that she will stand by her man, faithful, loyal, and obedient. When she has won his confidence, he will treasure her to the extreme.

A King wants a Queen, which is why a man in command wants a faithful wife to share his fame and glory. Without a woman’s admiration, his victories are muted. If a wife learns early to enjoy the benefits of taking the second seat, and if she does not take offense to his headstrong aggressiveness, she will be the one sitting at his right side being adored, because this kind of man will totally adore his woman and exalt her. She will be his closest, and sometimes his only, confidante. Over the years, the Command Man can become more yielding and gentle. His wife will discover secret portals to his heart.

If you are married to a king, honor and reverence is something you must give him on a daily basis if you want him to be a benevolent, honest, strong, and fulfilled man of God. He has the potential to become an amazing leader. Never shame him, and do not belittle him or ignore his accomplishments. Make it your life’s goal to become his queen.


D/s relationships are fine, as long as they work for both partners. But it's apparent that Pearl advocates becoming submissive, even if it goes against a woman's nature, just to please her "command man." And that's seriously fucked up.

[Richard Steele]

58. And it's a GIVEN that these 'kings' abandon their kids when they divorce..

"By the time she realizes that there is a
serious problem, she is already a divorced mother
seeking help in how to raise her children alone."

Gee, doesn't that bible say that EVERYONE who gets
a divorce goes to hell? Apparently, in their version,
it's just the disobedient uppity females who get all
the blame for it.

[Deep13]

64. My atheist father did not abandon us.

Don't know how he knew what the right thing was with a mystical book to tell him.
:shrug:

[Richard Steele]

81. Satan is CLEVER, see...that's how he tricks ya!

Turning an ATHEIST into a decent, moral human being
like that...ohh, he's a clever devil!

:sarcasm:

[youthere]

65. KINGS?!!

Just because they spend the majority of their time on the throne, it doesn't make them royalty.

:hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts:

[amitten]

41. Suddenly, I want to kill something.

Does anyone blame me...?

[TheBaldyMan]

42. I'd say it was justifiable homicide n/t

[hsher]

46. No; can I help?

That site... there's just no way to express it.

[Initech]

43. The fundies are getting more disgusting by the day...

:puke:

[bluedogyellowdog]

44. I've actually seen viler than this

The "Rev" "Dr" Jack Hyles (quotes 'cuz he got his degrees from a diploma mill), former pastor of a Baptist church in Indiana, now deceased, wrote a book on "How to Rear Children". This guy was a true fundamentalist sicko. Has an entire chapter devoted to spanking, where he posits the idea that the act of spanking is service to God and spanking sessions should be rituals lasting at least 10 or 15 minutes. And yes, somebody posted it to the web: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/how_to_rear_children_dr_hyles.htm

[Deep13]

70. "How to raise an axe murderer."

Holy shit!

[hsher]

45. Damn, did OffRed from Handmaid's Tale create that site???

"I didn't want to write my book this way, but HE said do it, so I..."

OK, how about when he eventually tells you to sleep with strange men for money while he gets to watch? You gonna do that, too?

[XemaSab]

47. OMG!

I have a Jezebel spirit! :cry:

[IntravenousDemilo]

48. That's right up there with GodHatesFags.com, but it's not QUITE the worst.

Close, though.

[Ekirh]

52. I don't need to visit that damn sight. . .

Just reading the excerpts is enough to warrent the puking smiley . . :puke: :puke: :puke:

Just fucking ugh people.

[Duckiesplaything]

53. What's up with that..?

So many women in here posting....Do your husbands let you have a computers in the kitchen? Shouldn't you be having babies like a good little baby factory?
Next thing you'll be telling me is that you are wearing shoes and pants....and "working". My god can't a 35 year old man live in peace with his 14 year old wife making babies and having a meal on the table when he gets home from work everyday to find a clean house?....
:hide:






:sarcasm:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

55. Wow. You must be so disappointed when you get home then...

[XemaSab]

56. Here's a dissenting opinion:

http://spunkyhomeschool.blogspot.com/2005/07/created-to-be-his-help-meet-part-1.html

[Deep13]

62. oops wrong place

[NMMNG]

61. How lovely

Yet another pile of crap about how to resign yourself to being nothing but a man's servant, sex toy, brood mare and child care provider. :puke:

[Deep13]

63. Odd that the gender with the power of creation is the subservient sex.

I hope we are outgrowning this sort of cave-man tribalism where the strongest male controls the tribe.

[youthere]

66. Oh.My.God.

HOW TO DEAL WITH LYING (From a six year-old):



I realized that somewhere along the line, I had missed the opportunity to deal with him while he was still young enough to easily break the habit. After much soul-searching and many botched ideas, I finally told Nathan that I realized he was a liar, even though I couldn’t catch him red-handed in his lies. I told him that God hated lying, that I hated it, that I had failed him, and that it was very important that he not continue to be a liar. I informed him that everyday for the next seven days, I was going to give him 10 licks at noon. He was to bring me the switch and I would spank him for being a liar. So everyday, he would bring me the switch at noon. If he failed to provide the switch at noon, he got additional licks. He was timely with the switch. It forced him to spend his mornings considering which branch to cut from the willow tree and how long he had left before the hour of chastisement was at hand.

When the clock struck twelve, I very calmly, and without pity, reminded him, “You are a liar, and lying is an ugly, hateful thing. In order that your soul shall be spared, I’m going to whip you.” That was all I said, no praying, no sermons, no “you break my heart” appeals. I would cause him to bend over on the couch, and I would give him the 10 licks. Keep in mind that my licks were not violent or even hard, they were just hard enough of a sting to let a 6-year-old know that it hurts to lie. The seven days passed much the same, and I grieved over him, not knowing if it was doing any good, and not even certain that I was doing the right thing.


http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/index.php?id=51&tx_ttnews=212&tx_ttnews=25&cHash=8829e19467

I hope it's true that God is a "merciful" God, because these people are going to need it.
Sick. Just sick.

[Deep13]

67. "...order that your soul shall be spared, I'm going to whip you."

The same justification for burning people alive.

[Deep13]

69. "help meet"??

Shouldn't it be "help mate"? or just "helper"?

[Left Is Write]

88. "Helpmeet" is a legitimate word.

Their mistake is in making it into two words. It's just one word.

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. I got so irritated by the skewed sense of healthy weight proportion up

thread, that I forgot to respond.

:puke:

What level of brainwashing has to occur for these books to be successful I wonder...

[Deep13]

78. "What level of brainwashing ..."

Less than you think. :(

[Sequoia]

77. Hey, little girl comb your hair fix your makeup

soon he'll be there at the door.

and:

Day after day there are girls at the office, and men will always be men.
Don't send him off with your hair still in curlers, you may not see him again.
Cause wives should always be lovers too, run to his arms the moment he comes home to you.


Something like that anyway.

[Mad_Dem_X]

82. LMAO!

Two of us are reading this at work, and laughing. I can't believe a woman wrote this. Disgusting. :puke:

My co-worker just said, "She (the author) needs to get kicked in the head!"

[Mad_Dem_X]

83. OMFG - Read the letter about the abusive husband!

The advice they give this poor woman is INSANE!!!

http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/index.php?id=75&tx_ttnews=81&tx_ttnews=71&cHash=4679f9417d

[lukasahero]

84. Lovely

This woman is giving instructions on how to become a battered wife. (Give, forgive, give again. Keep a smile on your face. You'll "win" him over and he'll love you again.) This world scares the crap out of me.

[Deep13]

86. Being beaten? Ask God to smite him.

This is complicity in assault. Here's my advice. Screw the Old Testement. Make a police report. Have the judge chuck him out. File for divorce. Cooperate in the assualt prosecution. Examine your own head to find out why you were attracted to this asshole in the first place.

It isn't God's law that's controlling here but what is being enforced by the DA's office.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

90. And stand by your husband, even if he's a pedophile!

But if your husband has sexually molested the children, you should approach him with it. If he is truly repentant (not just exposed) and is willing to seek counseling, you may feel comfortable giving him an opportunity to prove himself, as long as you know the children are safe. If there is any thought that they are not safe, or if he is not repentant and willing to seek help, then go to the law and have him arrested. Stick by him, but testify against him in court. Have him do about 10 to 20 years, and by the time he gets out, you will have raised the kids, and you can be waiting for him with open arms of forgiveness and restitution. Will this glorify God? Forever. You ask, "What if he doesn’t repent even then?" Then you will be rewarded in heaven equal to the martyrs, and God will have something to rub in the Devil’s face. God hates divorce—always, forever, regardless, without exception.

[Deep13]

91. Rewarded in fucking heaven?!

Is she out of her goddamn mind? I just put a woman away for three years because she failed to intervene when her boyfriend or husband (I forgot which-not that marriage would have stopped him) molested her minor daughter. Apparently the whole neighborhood knew about it and some even complained to the cops. The boyfriend was treated a bit more harshly.

So the wife and the children have to suffer because God hates divorce more than he hates abuse or sex offenses against children. If so, then he is not a god that deserves worship.

[Mad_Dem_X]

92. That part just made me sick

The idea that God so hates divorce that there are "no exceptions" - not abuse, not adultery, not molestation. The woman has to shoulder all the responsibility for keeping the atmosphere "happy," no matter how she and the children are suffering.

The fact that women are reading this sh*t and trying to live that way frightens and disgusts me.

[Left Is Write]

89. Ummmm.....

"my eyes have been opened on how to understand my husband (my man), and myself as a famine woman and wife."

Famine woman? What the heck is a famine woman? She won't feed her man?!

I'm pretty sure she meant "feminine."