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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:11 PM
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Aeroplane In A Bottle --- Finished This Morning (Pictures)
Some of you may know of my arcane hobby of building small models of old aircaft, and as I chanced to finish this one off this morning, I thought I would put up something to celebrate. This one is not built from scratch like most of mine, but is an assembled kit, with a bit of extra work in detail. The scale is six feet to the inch (1/72), and the wing-span of the model is about six inches. It is a Nieuport-Delange Ni-D 52, flown by the Loyalist pilot in the opening stages of the Spanish Civil War.







The Nieuport-Delange Ni-D52 was one of several designs derived from the Ni-D42, which first flew in 1925 as a parasol monoplane. This design had excellent speed and climb, but serious aerodynamic flaws that necessitated extensive re-design, including addition of a diminutive lower wing. In 1927, an example of the re-designed Ni-D42 won a competition the government of Gen. Primo de la Riviera in Spain held to choose a new fighter for the Spanish air service. The Spanish government decided to purchase the "metallized" version of the machine, the Ni-D52, which replaced most of the wooden elements of the original design's structure with duraluminum. A contract was signed for 125 of the machines to be built on license in Spain by the Hispano-Suiza company, with the first thirty-four assembled from kits provided by the parent company in France, and the rest fabricated wholly in Spain. Production was slow to start, with the first machines only reaching service in 1931, after the fall of the monarchy and establishment of the Spanish Republic.

Spanish fighter pilots welcomed the "Hispano Nieuport" initially as a great advance on the 1919 vintage aeroplanes it replaced, but quickly grew disenchanted. The speed of production machines fell far short of the manufacturer's claimed 165 mph, and worse, the redesign had not wholly cured the aerodynamic flaws of the original: the machine responded poorly to its controls, had a tendency to spin out of tight turns, and was unstable at low speeds, which made take-offs and landings perilous, with roughly one machine per month being written off due to crash damage over the type's peace-time service life. In 1935, the rightist CEDA Bloc government began exploring replacements for the Hispano Nieuport, but collapsed in scandal before any decisions had been made, and in the political chaos following the election of a Left government in early 1936, no further action for replacement was undertaken. When the rightist coup attempted in mid-July collapsed into civil war, these machines remained the standard Spanish fighter plane, though no more than fifty-eight were still in service, and eighteen of these were undergoing repairs. As the Spanish air service largely remained loyal to the government, most of these were in the hands of the Left, at Madrid and Barcelona. They were used mostly on ground attack and escort missions over the early battles, though not to any great effect. The accident rate on active service was worse than in peace-time, and by September, much superior fighters had been put at the Nationalists' disposal by Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. The handful of Hispano Nieuports remaining were retired to training and coastal patrol duties, with aircraft and crews from the Soviet Union providing the chief combat elements of the Loyalist air forces. Several of the remaining Hispano Nieuports were briefly returned to combat in March of 1937, being used for strafing during the rout of Italian forces at Guadalajara.

I have modeled one of nine serviceable Hispano-Nieuports on the strength of 13th Group at Barcelona when fighting commenced there on July 18, as it would have appeared early the following August. It was flown by Sgt. Jose Cabre in support of the trades union and anarchist militias that advanced into Aragon from Barcelona, and were at that time fighting before Saragossa. On the 14th of August, Sgt. Cabre took off from Sarinera to intercept several Nationalist machines, and was shot down and killed, crashing near Tardienta. On the outbreak of the fighting, red bands were added to the normal peace-time roundels and rudder striping in the Republic's colors: on the fuselage these did not wholly obscure the tactical numbers, painted in black, of 13th Group. The four leaf clover on the fin was the unit insignia of the group.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:18 PM
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1. Nicely done!
Are there any of these still around (real ones, I mean)?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:36 PM
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4. Thank You, Ma'am
And no, none survive. Just some usually hazy photographs, and manufacturer's drawings.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:27 PM
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2. Sweet!
I didn't know any Nieups were built after WW I.

One o' these days, I'm gonna finish my 1/24-scale P-51D, if I can find a hobby shop that has the right paint.



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:41 PM
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6. Thank You, Sir
Always a pleasure to run into a fellow who shares the intricate madness.

Nieuport became Nieuport-Delange after the First World War, and were quite successful in the twenties with the NiD 29, widely used not only by France but by Italy, Spain and Japan, where they were still in general use in 1932. The series derived from the NiD 42 included the 622, which was the principle French fighter till the mid thirties.

Have you considered, Sir, using foil for your Mustang? I could point you to some tips on that: it is all I use for bare metal surfaces.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:01 AM
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21. I'm not familiar with that technique
But fuselage colors aren't those I refer to. The fuselage and wings have been painted, in fact (Model Master #2914, German Silver). I'm more concerned about the proper paints for the pilot's flesh and flight suit and the squadron insigniae.

The hobby shop where the model was purchased has since closed, and there's no other place in town to get paints other than the basics.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:30 AM
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26. There's a HUGE hobby shop near my place....
They import whole lines of British and German finishing paints that probably aren't readily available in the US. PM me if you have a shopping list, and I'll see what I can find for you!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:50 AM
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31. Try 'Squadron Mail Order', Sir
Their service is very good and reliable, and they carry just about any paint you could require, as well as some instructional materials on figure painting. That is a whole other branch, that I am not too familiar with.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:14 AM
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33. Too late
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:34 PM
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3. The Serious Aerodynamic Flaws Evidently Also Necessitated
A Shamrock On The Tail.

Neat looking plane! And I appreciate that it's from the Spansh Civil War, a period of history I'm just getting heavily into.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:52 PM
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9. The Thirteenth Fighter Group, Sir
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 11:12 PM by The Magistrate
Evidently felt they needed some counter-balancing charm, hence the insignia of the four leaf clover they adopted. Spanish air groups all had a picture symbol marked on the tail: two other fighter groups, 11 and 12, had a stalking panther and a leaping gazelle, respectively, while Group 23, a reconnaisance unit, had a perching vulture.

The Spanish Civil War definitely deserves study, Sir, and Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" is probably the best short evocation of its essential elements. "Blood of Spain", an oral history by Mr. Ronald Fraser, is probably readily available still, and I recommend it highly for a sense of the times and participants. Be aware, though, that everyone takes sides, and there are not really any neutral sources anywhere, to this day.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:00 PM
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10. Thank you for the information and those recommendations.
I'm going to look for them. In turn, I recommend an unusual source: the autobiography of Luis Bunuel, titled "My Last Sigh." It's a thoroughly fascinating perspective on the period, and I think you'll find Senor Bunuel an engaging and sympathetic personality.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:05 PM
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11. if it is the Luis Bunuel i'm thinking of he is a fascinating figure...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:11 PM
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12. Thank You, Sir: I Will Look Into That
I saw several of his movies years ago: fascinating and bizarre stuff.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:39 PM
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5. so...where's the bottle...
:shrug: looks OK otherwise ;)
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:42 PM
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7. It's a REALLY big bottle.
:hi:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:43 PM
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8. geawd i guess...
:rofl: :hi:
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:12 AM
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15. He had it in a bottle to begin with....
but somehow it just didn't do justice to the plane.



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:31 AM
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16. Beautiful Work, Honey!
How in hell did you do that!?!
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:04 AM
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22. Hee hee
I took a picture while it was still in the bottle. :P

It's just #2604 outlined, turned upside down and layered on top of a bottle photo. Then I duplicated the bottle, layered it on top of the plane and reduced the opacity so it looks like the plane is inside. Cool, huh? If you want to post it on the modeling site use the usual link start plus planeinbottle.jpg instead of IMG_2604.

I love these tiny pieces of art even though they make big messes, what with the whittling and foiling and painting and glueing (and glueing) and weathering. Or maybe that's you who makes the mess.

At least you always clean it up. :loveya:

And the kits are way less mess than the scratch-built. I vote for more kits!

Your work is beautiful as always, Love. Nice job!



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:46 AM
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30. I Appreciate Your Patience, Dear
More than I could say, and the mess is indeed mine.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:32 PM
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37. Don't be silly
It gives me the chance to indulge in my favorite hobby: complaining.

:kick:

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:35 AM
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36. well i should say most decidedly not cause it looks like it crashed...
into the bottle :rofl:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:15 AM
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46. no it didn't do it justice in the bottle
:rofl:

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:15 AM
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47. dupe
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 10:42 AM by merh
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:31 PM
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13. Wow - I admire your discipline!
And your knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:57 AM
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32. Thank you, Ma'am
Glad you enjoyed it.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 11:31 PM
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14. The longer I look at that, the more FASCINATING the design is.
That's a real "missing link" sort of design, with some
vestiges of the earliest wood-and-cloth fighter planes
still identifiable in its engineering.

Nice job.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:59 AM
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20. For Those Susceptible To It, Sir
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 01:00 AM by The Magistrate
That is the greatest part of the charm of that period, the mix of old and new in the efforts of the engineers. For a good deal of it, the best examples of the older technologies could still outperform the early effirts at utilizing new ones. Sometimes machines that looked more "modern" were actually quite old-fashioned in their internal structures, and ones that looked "old fashioned" were quite advanced beneath the skin.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:58 AM
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35. Witness the Polikarpov I-16 and I-15bis
Seemingly outdated designs, but they kicked ass in the Spanish Civil War and were in use early in WW II.

I-16:





I-15bis:


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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:33 PM
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39. The I-16 looks a lot like the Gee Bee


except for the fixed gear.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:45 PM
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40. Yeah, it was speculated
that it was based on the Gee Bee. The retractable gear was one of the "revolutionary" things about it.

I remember the Gee Bee freaking me out when I was a kid. How do you fly a plane from back at the wing? :shrug:

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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:37 AM
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17. Neat. What's planned next?
Have you attempted a Gloster Gladiator? It might be fun to create a copy of Roald Dahl's Gloster Gladiator (before the crash in Libyan desert, that is).

You've discussed Habbaniya and it's military history in the past, but did you know Roald Dahl trained in Hawker Harts there before being 'promoted' to the Gloster Gladiator?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:52 AM
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19. Thank You, Sir
I am working on two other projects, Sir. One is a scratch-built Breguet U-1 (refined), a 1914 type of colossal oddity, the other is a kit of a Dewointine 510 of the Nationalist Chinese air force circa 1939 at Hangchow. The latter will probably be finished first.

I do intend a Gladiator in future, probably also in Nationalist Chinese service, where they were prominent in 1938. I recognize Mr. Dahl's name vaguely: I believe he was Australian? I had not known he trained at Habbaniya, but a great many people did. Middle Eastern fields were very useful, both because the weather was generally good, and because there was little danger from intruding enamy aircraft.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:12 AM
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24. Roald Dahl was born in Llandaff, Wales, of Norwegian parents and...
arguably one of the world's greatest children's authors of the twentieth century. He wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Matilda and James and the Giant Peach.

His autobiography, Going Solo, merits a read (especially for an airplane enthusiast like you) .



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:40 AM
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28. Well, Now I Feel A Ripe Charlie, Sir
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 01:42 AM by The Magistrate
Since "Matilda" and "James and the Giant Peach" are favorites of my daughter and my grandsons. He certainly was a fabulous author in that line. Thank you for the reminder: I had had no idea he had been a pilot, and will look up his memoir, as it is sure to be valuable.

If memoirs of old flight interest you, Sir, the best of the old ones I know, in literary terms, is 'Saggitarius Rising", by Cecil Lewis, a Great War flier who afterwards went out to China to establish an airline there.
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:46 AM
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18. Fascinating. And great work. I keep thinking about Sgt. Cabre, and all
the work you did to re-create his aircraft as a model.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:45 AM
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29. Thank You, Sir
I had never heard of the good Sergeant until I began researching these machines, and would like to know more about him than the circumstances of his death. The courage and self-sacrifice of a great many people in Spain at that time deserved a better outcome than events provided.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:09 AM
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23. Thank you for these photos, Sir.
I paint, but I wish I had the patience for a project such as yours. Outstanding. :thumbsup:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:16 AM
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25. HEY M
I have a soldier in Iraq requesting some glue for their model airplane stuff, could you suggest a brand for me and the best place to get it, thanks
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:35 AM
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27. About All I Use, Ma'am
Is generic "superglue" in gel form, with an accellerator chemical dripped on to dry it instantly. The solvent glues are pretty volatile, and I am not sure about shipping them. On a modeling site I visit occassionally, there are some people involved in sending stuff out like that, and I will see what I can find out and contact you later.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:36 AM
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34. OK, thanks M
was unsure about that request :O - they took kits and glue with them, then ran out of glue :(
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:18 PM
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38. Awesome!
Anything and everything about Spain's history interests me deeply, and I had no idea models concerning their Civil War were available. I haven't constructed a model in over 25 years, but your pics sure make me want to rediscover the hobby. :thumbsup:

"Build one, rally a hundred!"
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:19 PM
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42. Thank You, Mr. Woof
There are a number available, if for no other reason than so much Soviet and German and Italian equipment was used. This is the closest thing to a purely Spanish type, though: no one else used quite this variety, though a very simil;ar verson, the 72, was employed in Brazil, where, oddly enough, they were used on both sides of a revolution that lasted a summer or so....
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:06 PM
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41. Beautiful work, Sir
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:20 PM
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43. Thank You, Mr. Mitchum
Glad you enjoyed it.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:22 AM
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44. very exacting work
how long did it take?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:03 AM
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45. About Three Weeks Of Spare Time, Sir
No idea in terms of hours.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:49 AM
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48. Nice work!
I've got one of those myself, about 95% complete. Maybe now I'll find the time to actually finish it.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:24 AM
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49. Best Of Lick With The Final Bits, Sir
The company also makes a good kit of the I-15 that you might be interested in.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:01 PM
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50. I have that one as well... one of many in the closet
I have to confess that recently I've been straying from the One True Scale, tempted by some of the recent offerings in 1/48. Eduard's I-16s are especially nice.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:36 PM
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51. Fascinating stuff.
I loved the background you provided to it also. It's a beautiful plane despite its combat flaws. Good work!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:46 PM
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52. Thank You, Sir
Anarchists and Syndicalists with air cover is a thing to conjure with, eh?
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:01 PM
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53. Indeed sir
If it weren't for Stalin's meddling we could smash the Falangists.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:33 AM
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54. ttt one time
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