I hate smokers AND drivers!

[Evoman]

Lol, okay..no I don't. But couldn't I use the same arguments that non-smokers use on smokers, and turn it on them. I mean, sure smoke is rather unpleasant, I'd rather not be inhaling it if I had the choice. But people who are driving...even their "small" cars, are spewing dangerous toxins into the air and forcing me to breathe it in. Doesn't your rights to drive end where my nose begins? After all, I never drive a car, since I bike and walk everywhere (okay..I take the bus occasionally when its freezing out), so it doesn't exactly make me a hypocrite.

Just to be clear, this post is somewhat facetious. I think that sometimes, in order to say we live in a free society, we have to put up with things we don't like. I really don't judge smokers OR drivers, since everyone has vices, and no one is perfect. Besides, I don't think I've ever met a smoker who purposefully blew smoke in my face...they are usually a conciencious bunch.

I just wanted to demonstrates the dangers of complaining about other peoples habits. The danger is that perfect people like me will point out your hypocrisy, hehe.

Evoman ;)

[Random_Australian]

1. What about if I say that I dislike smoking for other reasons than

"I find it unpleasant" ?

[Evoman]

2. I would say you were a judgmental know it all.

hehe.

[Random_Australian]

9. Eh?

Where was the judgemental bit?

I never said you couldn't do it after all.

[Evoman]

12. I was just bugging you man.

it was a joke.

[Random_Australian]

21. A joke? Is that some kind of diminutive version of "bloke"?

Am I seeing blatant anti-australian racism?

:rofl:

:)

[Evoman]

26. It has to be blatant

you Aussies aren't intelligent to grasp the subtle type.

(To the people who think I'm being racist, I am not ...I have plenty of australian friends that I get drunk with and shoot at alligators with, so there).

[Random_Australian]

30. Ever had alligator pizza?

You can really get them. They're pretty tasty.

[NMMNG]

3. OK, fine

But you'd better not fart in my presence buster. :P

[Evoman]

16. Too late

;)

[NMMNG]

24. Back at ya

:evilgrin:

[hfojvt]

62. I guess the book only mentions "belch"

which it defines as "a loud sound which a man rarely emits in the presence of a woman until after he is through trying to impress her. He then explains that such sounds are impossible for a man to control."

I thought it said the same for flatullation, and I think the principle is the same.

[NMMNG]

94. That pretty much sums it up

:rofl:

[Broken_Hero]

4. Decent post....

as an ex smoker....all these smoking threads, has me fiending big time...to be honest. :hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

5. They make me want to walk up to people and blow smoke in their faces.

Seriously, some of the smoking hate is absurd.

[Evoman]

6. this isn't a smoke hating thread

I'm actually standing up for you guys in a round about way...I actually posted in 2 smoking threads in GD defending smokers.

Again, I don't like smoke, but complaints about second hand smoke seem highly exaggerated.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

8. Oh I know that this isn't one.

I wasn't referring to you, but rather some of the people in GD.

[Broken_Hero]

7. My first foray into the smoking thread was

around November of last year....and it wasn't pretty, reminds me of the current smoking threads lately.

[Evoman]

10. One of the responses in the smoking thread was, I'm not kidding you,

"I hope your lungs bleed and you die"

or something like that.

Wow

On edit: actually, I checked..the quote was, "Go cough up blood and die"

[Broken_Hero]

13. Yeah, I'm pretty aware of those threads lately...

they have been keeping me busy, actually...I just stay away from them. If memory serves, last november, the one that still sticks out to me, was someone, who stated that they lived up on the 3rd, or 4th floor of an apartment complex...and a guy lived on the bottom floor, went outside to smoke, and that smoke wafted up 3-4 stories, and caused them to cough....that started a HUMMMOOONGGGGUSS flame war...I added my own bit, but that thread grew to 300 posts quicker than lightning...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

95. Another was "I hope you get cancer and emphysema."

The poster was responding to the OP, so I confronted the poster about it, after which she wished the same thing on me, even without me mentioning whether I smoke or not.

I later discovered she put me on ignore, which makes her the second person to do so. :D

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. I think people get much, much nastier than they'd ever get in real life

thanks to the shield the internet provides. Thank God, because otherwise smokers would recieve even more scorn in real life than they do already.

[Broken_Hero]

14. I do agree with you there....

online, people I believe, are more themselves....I admit, I am no different online, than I am in real life...but with some people, especially in other chat forums, where the rhetoric/nastiness far outreaches what happens at the confines of DU. DU to me, is still one of the best places to talk, debate, among fellow libs/dems....all the other sites I went to were complete trash....when it came to political discourse...or anything for that matter.

on edit:to clarify

[Oeditpus Rex]

15. What about smoking drivers?

:shrug:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

17. I smoke and I drive an SUV.

Hell yeah.

:rofl:

[Evoman]

19. EVIL! IMMORAL!

Next thing you will tell me is that your one of the Les-bi-ans who are contaminating our clean, toxin-less bodies with The Gay.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

23. Actually...I am one of those Les-bi-ans...

Oh no!

Sometimes I even tow a boat or an ATV behind my SUV.

[Broken_Hero]

20. and you pilot a boat, and drive ATV's....:) nt

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

28. I've used the SUV to transport a pit bull, a.k.a. a murderer, a few times.

[Broken_Hero]

32. oh damn....just when you think you know someone....

:) just kidding...sometimes, the knee jerk hits us all, we all have our "certain" issue that causes us to to do double takes....with me, my main issue is American Indian issues...whenever, I see any ill being talked/discussed about that issue, I have a hard time keeping my "knee jerk" in check...:) Everyone has one, they may say they don't, but they do...:)

[Evoman]

57. Are you pro or anti American Indians"

Do you hate them as much as I hate drivers, smokers and non-responders the my threads.

[Broken_Hero]

72. I'm pro-american indian

but I'm sure you all ready knew that one...:hi:

[Oeditpus Rex]

22. Well, *I* smoke and I drive a '65 El Camino

which a lotta people hate anyway because it's neither car nor truck, yet both, and they identify it with REDnecks 'n' shit. It gets like 13 mpg in town and it has NO POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT because it's too fucking old.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

:evilgrin:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

27. The actress Daryl Hannah converted her El Camino into biodiesel.

I thought that was pretty cool.

[Oeditpus Rex]

29. Yeah?

I'm shocked all to hell to hear a celebrity drives one, or at least admits to it.

Now I gotta google. I bet it's one of those hideous '80s models. :puke:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

31. Well, she's a huge environmental activist.

Her house is totally eco-friendly. She lives out in the desert, etc.

[Oeditpus Rex]

33. Looks like an '86

Maybe she'd like mine. :bounce:

[Evoman]

18. Double whammy.

In that case, its time for me to bring out my nunchuks. I don't actually hit people with them...I just wave them around where I see smoke and sometimes they slip......

;)

[Random_Australian]

25. talking on cell phones with the A/C and going to Olive garden, rushing

past people on escalators while publicly breastfeeding fried chicken & wearing the American flag as undies?

:)

While drunk & high!

[Oeditpus Rex]

34. When were you in my town?

:shrug:

[Random_Australian]

35. I was attending a pro-life rally.

(No, not an anti-war protest, the other kind, silly!)

:rofl:

I can just imagine that... yelling "Jesus said to love and respect people! So bomb the ones you don't agree with!"

[Bassic]

36. I used to be smoker (oh happy days)

and twice I intentionnaly blew smoke in a person's face. But belive me, he, and then she, deserved it.

[evirus]

37. It's not like you can smoke your way to work though

one is needed the other isn't. just because people do much more polluting things dosn't give you a solid reason to do something that pollutes slightly less ontop of driving a car

[taterguy]

38. How do you define need?

Seriously, how do you know if someone is driving because they need to or because they're too lazy or stupid to walk or bike. What's your criterion?

[evirus]

66. anything over an hours walk..

i don't say bike cause some people, like me, have balance problems.

bottem line is the car emmissions argument is weak, mirrors freeper debate tactics no?

[taterguy]

69. Freepers don't debate with facts

You said cars were needed. I pointed out that most car trips are matters of convenience, not necesity.

I'm not saying that smoking is a great thing. I'm just saying that people who choose to pollute in one way shouldn't get so indignant about people who choose to pollute in another way.

ps: Balance problems are no excuse for not riding a bike. Some of my best rides have been when I was so shit-faced drunk that I could barely stand up. :evilgrin:

[Deep13]

39. When did defending disease become progressive?

If this was about smallpox, we would not be having this discussion. Jesus Christ, nearly half a million Americans die every year because of this shit and that is probably a conservative estimate. That is the same as three fully loaded 747s crashing without survivors every day forever. Tobacco companies rake in huge profits on suffering they create. They lie to people, get them addicted and get rich while the customer poisons himself and his whole household.

I was subjected to the smoke of my parents and later my step monster and I hated it. I knew what it was doing to me and there was never anything I could do about it. I'm sick of dodging sickening clouds on the sidewalk. I'm sick of having my own health undermined by people who don't care about their own. Cigarette smoke is poisonous and, unlike autos, has no purpose. My grandmother died from emphasyma 15 years after quitting. My Dad died of a stroke over a decade after quiting. (The levated stroke risk never returns to normal.) Banned? I want tobacco extinct. Maybe then we can start talking about the miniscule body count from America's gun culture.

[PVnRT]

40. So

You willing to pay some higher taxes to help those who do smoke kick the habit? Or are you the typical non-smoker who just says fuck 'em?

[kwassa]

41. Why should quitting cost money? That is the smoker's responsibility.

I also don't think a program will help them quit, it has to come from the individual.

[PVnRT]

43. By your logic, then

The "War on Drugs" should work, since we just ban all the drugs and expect everyone to quit using them.

[kwassa]

45. Not my logic. Yours.

[PVnRT]

65. "Why should quitting cost money?"

I don't know, maybe because it's nearly impossible to do cold turkey? And that a large number of smokers are poor, and even if you have health insurance, it won't pay for smoking cessation products?

And maybe you should explain your logic, since you're saying that we just should completely ban tobacco and all of its problems would magically disappear in a puff of pixie dust, which is the same reasoning behind the "War on Drugs."

[kwassa]

73. Most quit cold turkey. I quit 22 years ago by my own method.

I never said anything about banning tobacco, although it should be banned, or at least highly restricted, and I never claimed that all the problems would vanish.

It will be banned, probably in my lifetime. A great step forward for health.

[Deep13]

46. "...typical non-smoker who just says fuck 'em?"

Got any proof of that? I pay higher taxes and insurance premiums to keep them alive on ventilators and oxygen. Smokers pay high taxes on cancer sticks. The problem is not a willingness on the part of nonsmokers, but a lack of a concerted effort by society. Most smokers would rather not be smokers and it would be easier to quit if all of society was supporting their decision. Short answer: yeah, I'll do whatever is necessary to help them and me. With smoking rates rising among teenagers and people who are otherwise liberals defending the practice, my psychological response of late has been to throw up my hands and call it Darwinism and think about buying stock in Philip Morris. (I won't, I just think about it so I don't feel so bad about these kids all being suckered into poisoning themselves. Kind of a blame the victim thing.)

[Evoman]

56. Smallpox lol.

:rofl:

Your killing me here. Your comparing smoking to smallpox!

People die all the time, from all sorts of things...over-eating, needless risk taking, sitting on their asses and gettting no excercies. Hell, people like me (who walk) get hit by cars all the time...I've got scars from jumping out of the way of people driving with cell phones.

In fact, to me, people in cars are WAYYY more hazardous to my health then a stray wisp of smoke from some poor shivering smoker out in the cold. Then of course, there Industry...factories are some of the biggest pollutars. People buying useless things they don't really need (oh wait...they do NEED their plasma tvs and big houses :rofl: ). Being a grad student, I have barely enough money to buy anything so its not like I'm a big contributor.

I'm just saying...in the scheme of things, smokers are really only hurting themselves (second hand smoke is a concern...but even if it is poisonous--the scientific establishment has not proven anything conclusively by any means--most of us aren't exposed enough to it to be of any real concern). I started this thread half-jokinly, because of what I see as a disproportionate reaction. Yeah, I don't like smoke in my face, and I it makes me gag when I am trying to eat, but we gotta stay calm about this shit. Anways..I gotta go...theres a fender with my name on it.

[kwassa]

42. The error in this argument of drivers vs. smokers.

Cars have a positive social benefit.

Cigarettes do not.

[taterguy]

44. Cigarettes have lots of social benefits

Suppose there's someone you want to meet at a bar. If they're a smoker you can ask them for a light or a cigarette. They'll usually oblige because smokers tend to be compasionate and friendly.

OTOH, cars are anti-social. Interaction with others in a car is impossible unless you want to tie up traffic or create a hazard

[Deep13]

47. "...smokers tend to be compasionate and friendly."

Some are, so are not. Most are not when their addiction is questioned.

[taterguy]

49. Who is friendly when you question their source of pleasure?

Name one group of people that reacts in a positive way when you tell them not to do something that they enjoy.

[Deep13]

50. Not pleasure, addiction.

Yeah, no one wants to be parted from what he or she likes, but I was referring to an angry, defensive reaction of an addict.

[jus_the_facts]

52. Yeah like when one hasn't had their coffee yet or their *sugar/salt* yet..

....and they're just as defensive and angry until they've had their *fix*...the hypocrisy and hyperbole never knows any bounds. x(

[Deep13]

53. I only relay what I have observed.

Yes, your observation about coffee also is an example. Sugar and salt are not addictive drugs, though they can be unhealthy. It is not hyperbole. It is not hypocrisy because 1. I am just writing what I have seen and am making no moral judgment and 2. I don't smoke myself. Besides, whatever ad hominim attack you make on me has no bearing on the objective facts. Even if I was a hypocrit, liar, thief, vice president or child molester, smokers are still defensive about their fixes.

[jus_the_facts]

58. Sugar and salt are addictive...s'why they don't allow them in rehab.....

....inpatient rehabs in my area don't allow any sweetened or caffiene drinks in the soda machines or any extra salt allowed with meals as they're another addiction that affects people with other addictions...triggers if you will...and my observation from anti-smokers...they are as defensive and offensive in the expression from their perspective opinions.

[kwassa]

76. Provide some proof of your assertion that sugar and salt are addictive

[jus_the_facts]

81. Google....first through 10 of 1,100,000 results.......

....happy reading. :eyes:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=sugar+salt+addictions

[kwassa]

85. you provide the article. not for me to track it down.

[jus_the_facts]

87. You research it yourself....I provided 10 articles on the first page there

:think:

[jus_the_facts]

93. Your Food Addiction is Great for Business....3rd article from google...

http://www.healthrecipes.com/eat5.htm


No mysterious ingredient. The Cadbury's secret is out. Chocolate is drug-like in its effect. Artificial taste explodes in the mouth with crunchy, smooth, sweet flavors, supplying intense pleasure. Every texture and nuance of taste contrived to stimulate your 9,000 taste buds into sending pleasure signals to the brain. The intensified pleasure effect is addictive. We don't care about the additives or empty calories. Chocolate junkies crave a fix, driven by the desire for that chocolate pleasure. Pleasure for which we will pay any price, even our health.

Chocolate bars are loaded with salt, sugar, caffeine and fat, up to 300 calories per bar. Like a body demanding heroin for its balance, the body will crave sugar, salt and fat. Take candy from a sugar junkie, and look out!

Quitting causes withdrawals. Remove sugar, processed fat or salt from your diet, and you will crave them. You will go through the discomfort of facing withdrawal similar to the withdrawal from drugs.


The body’s homeostatic balance is affected by diet. Consumption of massive amounts of sugar, salt, caffeine or fried foods drastically affects homeostatic balance. Natural hunger becomes distorted as the body craves for the substances necessary for balance. The body reacts as it would to any addiction. Powerful cravings override the body’s natural needs.

The brain has 100 billion neurons and 100 trillion connectors for memory alone. Each brain cell is dependent on homeostatic balance to function properly. High doses of sugar, salt, fat and caffeine can cause imbalances in the brain’s normal chemistry. Eating natural foods allows the brain's chemistry to function normally. Natural foods assist homeostasis, supplying vitamins, minerals, soft fibers, cell salts and enzymes to assist the body in maintaining balance. In a balanced state, hunger is in relation to the body’s need for nutrition.

Eating processed food creates cravings for more processed foods. Eat fried foods, and you crave more. Eat cooked food, and you crave it. Eat sugar-filled food, and you will crave it. The Hostess Munchies are nothing more than disguised cravings for salt and fat. They promise satisfaction, but artificial pleasure never satisfies. It is a pleasure that takes by first giving. It steals valuable nutrition from your diet by feeding your body empty calories.

....guess I'm not just makin' shit up huh?! :eyes:

[jus_the_facts]

51. Exactly!

:nopity:

[Evoman]

55. In the past three months, I've almost been run over by a car

4 or 5 times (and thats about par for course). This includes one time when I literally jumped out of the way, falling and skinning my knee in the process. Positive social benefits my rear-end!

[qnr]

48. Which do you hate more? Them, or those of us

that didn't reply to you ? Because if it is them, I'll be happy to return the syphilis you donated, so to can give it to them instead.

[Deep13]

54. Um, "them"?

Speaking for myself, I don't hate smokers, through I can become annoyed when exposed to it. It is poisonous, after all. Mostly, I feel sad at what their habit will do to them.

Um, syphilis? I know that is hyperbole. What is funny is that under Common Law accusing someone of having a "loathsome disease" was slander per se. Loathsome diseases included VD, leprosy and that is all.

[qnr]

59. This is the Lounge. "Them" refers to the combination of smokers & drivers,

"syphilis" refers to another thread he started, wishing it upon all the DUers that had not replied to his posts.

[Deep13]

61. Yeah, I knew it is the lounge. Says so in the corner.

:evilgrin:

[ComerPerro]

60. Just do me a favor

don't EVER take the bus or a cab, and please, stop buying things anywhere (they gotta get shipped somehow).

And, of course, if you feel like ordering take out, you better think twice and remember to bike your ass to the restraunt and pick it up.

Oh, wait, nevermind. You can't eat food at restraunts. It was probably delivered on a truck.

[Evoman]

63. My point EXACTLY

Theres always something else you can do....thats why bagging on others for "polluting your air" rings hollow to me. For every person who complains about smoking, I can complain about driving. And I'm sure some evironmentalist can complain about me.

After all, just as smokers drive AND smoke, most non-smokers drive AND buy stuff. I just buy stuff. Hehe...and not even that much, so I am morally superior to both!

[ComerPerro]

64. If you think smoking and driving are the same, you are lying

Nobody dumps a bunch of car exhaust in your dinner.

[jus_the_facts]

68. Not so...they're gases that are unseen to the naked eye......

...but they're there regardless...expecially while the food is being grown and the livestock are grazin' on polluted land...car exhaust...it's what's for dinner! :smoke:

"Each car spills a witches’ brew of dangerous gases into the air each year, including an average of:
4,000 kilograms of carbon dioxide
300 kilograms of carbon monoxide
30 kilograms of nitrogen oxide
35 kilograms of ozone-forming hydrocarbons as well as lesser amounts of methane, lead and particulates.

http://www.rco.on.ca/factsheet/fs_b02.html

[ComerPerro]

70. Cars do more damage to the environment

but cigarette smoke is in your face.

[jus_the_facts]

all that I listed are in your face as well as inside you.....

...and everything else on the planet....perspectives though...to each their own.

[taterguy]

71. Ever been to a sidewalk cafe?

Lots of car exhaust there, right in your face.

[ComerPerro]

77. Which is usually why I don't sit outside

[taterguy]

82. So don't sit in a smoking section either

Some of us weirdos happen to enjoy fresh air and there's no reason we should be deprived of it just because some lazy people refuse to use their legs for their intended purpose

[kwassa]

89. Thankfully, smoking sections have been banned here.

The smoke never followed the rules and stayed in it's section. Smoke is funny that way.

[ComerPerro]

92. problem is, unless you are in a sealed room

there is not "smoking section".

The smoke goes all over the restraunt.

[Evoman]

88. Are you kidding.

Have you ever stayed OUTSIDE of a city for any period of time. There is so much pollution in many of our cities...the only reason your not bitching about it is because your used to it. I live in a city with about 100 000 people in it...my girfriend who lived on a farm for the first 20 years of her life used to complain about it all the time. Hell, 50 years ago, nobody complained about cig smoke cuz it was so common place. I am most definetly not a liar...the number of times I've had smokers blow smoke at me, or disturb me, pales in comparison to the number of times I've been walking home and a)almost been hit by a car or b)had a faceful of exhaust or dirt thrown up at me. Splashed, soaked, exhaust...lot worse than walking through a little cloud of smoke once a millenia.

[kwassa]

75. This is a false comparison, as I said before.

Cars pollute, and so do smokers.

Cars provide an important positiove societal function in the transportation of people and goods. Cigarettes provide no public good at all, and used in their normal manner create disease and death. 500,000 a year die from smoking-related illnesses.

This is very poor comparison with little merit to it.

[jus_the_facts]

78. I must disagree...3 million people die each year from air pollution......

http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/Update17.htm

The World Health Organization reports that 3 million people now die each year from the effects of air pollution. This is three times the 1 million who die each year in automobile accidents.

A study published in The Lancet in 2000 concluded that air pollution in France, Austria, and Switzerland is responsible for more than 40,000 deaths annually in those three countries. About half of these deaths can be traced to air pollution from vehicle emissions.

In the United States, traffic fatalities total just over 40,000 per year, while air pollution claims 70,000 lives annually. U.S. air pollution deaths are equal to deaths from breast cancer and prostate cancer combined. This scourge of cities in industrial and developing countries alike threatens the health of billions of people.

The air in most urban areas typically contains a mixture of pollutants, each of which may increase a person's vulnerability to the effects of the others. Exposure to carbon monoxide slows reflexes and causes drowsiness, since carbon monoxide molecules bind to hemoglobin, reducing the amount of oxygen that red blood cells can carry. Nitrogen dioxide can aggravate asthma and reduce lung function, as well as making airways more sensitive to allergens. Ozone also causes lung inflammation and reduces lung function and exercise capacity.

Smaller particulates, especially those 10 micrometers in diameter (1/2,400 of an inch) or smaller, can become lodged in the alveolar sacs of the lungs. They are associated with higher admissions to hospital for respiratory problems and with increased mortality, particularly from respiratory and cardiovascular diseases. As particulate concentrations in the air rise, so do death rates.

When people inhale particulates and ozone at concentrations commonly found in urban areas, their arteries become more constricted, thus reducing blood flow and oxygen supply to the heart. This is why air pollution aggravates heart conditions and asthma.

Unlike some pollutants that have threshold levels below which no health effects are seen, ozone and particulates have negative health effects even at very low levels. Thus no "safe" level of such pollutants exists. Research published in Science in 2001 noted that in industrial as well as developing countries, exposures to current levels of ozone and particulates "affect death rates, hospitalizations and medical visits, complications of asthma and bronchitis, days of work lost, restricted-activity days, and a variety of measures of lung damage."

While only some motorists contribute to traffic fatalities, all motorists contribute to air pollution fatalities.

[kwassa]

79. You missed the point of my post entirely.

I wasn't arguing the total number of deaths, I was arguing the pointless comparison.

[jus_the_facts]

80. As I just posted it's NOT a pointless comparison......

....there's a bigger picture to observe...which so many refuse to see as it's always said in these threads that you CHOOSE to DRIVE and pollute the entire planet because society says *you HAVE to* :eyes: yet it's always a double standard when one chooses to pollute themselves...or GAWD forbid someone who happens to be in their vacinity with a tobacco product....as I said before...to each their own perspective...you won't change mine nor I yours obviously.

[kwassa]

84. I choose to drive out of necessity. There is no necessity to smoke.

No comparison.

Like I said before, there is no positive benefit to society from smoking cigarettes, where there is in using automobiles.

[Evoman]

90. So you don't drive unless its necessary....good man!

[Evoman]

83. Oh yes, of course...what a veryyyy important

Societal function....it really improves our society that people drive 2 blocks to buy a jug of milk instead of walking. Oh, sooooo important. I walk 4 km to school (each way...total 8). 90 percent of people drive that distance....wusses is what I call em. Polluting, evil wusses. You have feet...walk. Or ride a bike. But nnooooo...your car provides such a positive social function. After all, you need to get to work faster, so that you can spend more time curing cancer or healing the blind. Puh leeze. Do you at least car pool or drive only when its necessary? If not, I am still morally superior to you.

[kwassa]

86. Curing cancer and healing the blind is important.

Thanks for making my argument for me. This is not the one I would make, however.

[jus_the_facts]

91. Well goodygumdrops....oh moral superior of mine....

....we're ALL guilty of one addiction or another...whether it's food/drink...cigarettes or the smell of car exhaust..or other countless destructive contributions to the fall of western *civilization* :nopity:

[Zavulon]

67. I hate people who fart in the office or

microwave disgusting-smelling dishes on the break room. Oh, and if you burn microwave popcorn, you die.

[Haole Girl]

74. I'm only responding, so you won't give me syphilis!

;-)




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