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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:45 PM
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Battlestar Galactica video blog: introducing Bulldog (racial comments)
OK.

First, let me preface this by saying that I'm not really all that concerned about racial diversity in science fiction TV shows anymore. More than most other genres, science fiction has been really good about both racial diversity and not promoting negative stereotypes, so as long as the cast isn't completely monochromatic, I'm pretty much not going to complain about racial diversity.

A good example of this was the casting choice for Kingpin in an otherwise laughable movie (Daredevil). For those of you who don't know, the Kingpin is an arch villain that appears in several different superhero comic books, and he's been a staple in the Marvel universe for decades. The character has also always been white in the comic books. When they cast a black actor, I was amazed at the lack of complaints about it. There weren't too many conservatives complaining about "political correctness" in changing a traditionally white character into a minority, and there weren't too many liberals complaining about the possibility of negative stereotypes (Kingpin is an organized crime boss). The vast majority of comic book fans simply accepted that they found the best actor for the role, and the actor just happened to be of a different race (Kingpin really needs a particular presence to satisfy comic book fans, and Michael Clark Duncan is really the only actor I can think of who could pull it off). The lack of hair-pulling over this casting choice really shows how far we've come... at least in the sci-fi/comic book genres.

Furthermore, Battlestar Galactica (the new series) is plenty diverse, so even if I were generally inclined to complain about such things, I wouldn't in this case.

It's just that one of the very few things I liked about the otherwise crappy original series was the casting of black actors in certain roles. Even after Star Trek, blacks were still depressingly absent from most science fiction, which sent an unintentional message that black people didn't have a future. Even though the original BSG wasn't the first to include prominent black characters, they were bold in where they chose to put black characters: the executive officer and one of the ace fighter pilots. Back in the late seventies, you didn't see blacks in roles like that in any genre, much less science fiction.

So when the new BSG aired, I have to admit I was a little disappointed.

Sure, they made colonel Tigh white. No big deal. The character is far more interesting, and the actor is phenomenal, and really that's what matters (re: the casting of Kingpin mentioned above). Sure, they made Boomer into an Asian woman. Again, no big deal. Although the actress doesn't impress me, they took the character in a radically different and interesting direction.

It's just that I wanted to see at least one black pilot, just to tip the hat at one of the few things I liked about the original series. The new series disappointed me in that regard... until now.

Introducing Bulldog:
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824
(Video blog entry at the official site)

All I have to say is: YAY! :party: :toast:
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 01:48 AM
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1. I've wondered on that myself ...

While in some cases the modern BSG is actually a bit more racially diverse than the original (Colonel Tigh may have been a leading character in the original with a bold role, but he was one-dimensional, imo, and forgettable), a decided lack of strong black characters has been rather evident, particularly among the pilots. In fact only Anastasia leaps to mind as a black character with an actual role at all since the death of the priest, who was fairly one-dimensional herself. This is only glaring to me because of how diverse the social makeup of the show actually is, however.

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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:07 AM
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2. Yeah, I look forward to seeing this character in episode 7.
PS -- the other black character you're not thinking of is the doctor from the "breeder farm" on Capcrica.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:29 AM
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3. I'm glad
I'm a huge fan of the new show. I remember when they first revealed what the cast was going to look like most people made a big fuss about making Starbuck a female character. Even though Starbuck was the character I usually imagined myself as when playing or daydreaming as a kid I was more taken aback by the color change in Both Tigh and Boomer.

But as you say they've done really interesting things with those characters, and it is a diverse cast already in other ways, still I'm glad to see a bit of expansion in that.

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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:35 AM
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4. Well....

...I was more taken aback by the color change in Both Tigh and Boomer.


As I mentioned in my post, the changes in Tigh and Boomer didn't bother me (the original characters were forgettable as was the show). I didn't need to see Boomer as a black man, I just wanted to see one black pilot somewhere in the cast of semi-regulars, you know? Who when and how didn't really much matter to me, I just wanted to see one, and now I will.

I can hardly wait for episode 7!
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:55 AM
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6. There is Dualla
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 09:56 AM by YankeyMCC
Who's role certainly has grown.

And I was actually agreeing with you. My 'taken aback' was prior to seeing the show and I came to the same conclusion as you once I watched.

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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:24 AM
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10. Dualla is an interesting character....
...but she's not exactly a pilot.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:35 AM
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5. I must be the only guy in the universe who liked Daredevil...
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 09:35 AM by BigMcLargehuge
:(
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:58 AM
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7. I thought it was decent
But, I'm a sucker for comic book movies. And, since Ben Affleck is a liberal, I'm probably more biased to like it. (And, no I don't dislike Arnold movies because he is a Republic!)
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:07 AM
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9. I thought it captured the feel of the books relatively well
It could have been longer, and it they could have chosen a better storyline from the Dardevil books, but I maintain hope that they'll make a sequel that will further flesh out the universe.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:06 AM
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8. The stereotype that bothered me was...
It was that the Asian woman (Boomer) was having affairs with 2 white men - Chief Tyrol & Helo. It's like she escaped from the poor Asian planet & hopped into bed with white men. (I think they said her planet was one of the poorer ones, no?) I guess Asian women have that sexual stereotype in the 12 colonies, too.



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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:42 AM
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11. Not really ...

The Susan who was having an affair with the Chief was not the same as the Susan who hooked up with Helo. I mean, she does keep saying, "That wasn't me!" :-)

Helo had feelings for the generic Susan character prior to the bombing of Caprica, but he never acted on them because, as he said, he respected the relationship she and Chief had. The only problem with that relationship (other than the fact she was a Cyclon sleeper agent of course) was that she was an NCO and she an officer, so the relationship couldn't be out in the mainstream.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:39 AM
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12. still...
Two white men interested in one Asian woman, then one of them having an affair with another copy of the same Asian woman.

Maybe I'm too sensitive being married to an Asian woman.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:47 AM
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13. Perhaps ...

Similar situations revolved around both Dee and Starbuck. I just don't see a racial stereotyping element to this, but I respect your perspective.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:22 PM
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15. There's nothing wrong with being sensitive about that kind of thing.
Although, to be honest, I completely missed that, and I'm half white half Asian myself.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:19 PM
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14. "Susan"? Don't you mean Sharon?
Sharon "Boomer" Valerii is the one who shot Adama and later led a revolt within cylon society.

Sharon Agathon (née Valeri) is the one who had a kid with Karl "Helo" Agathon.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 08:00 PM
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16. Yes, sorry ...

Believe it or not, I hadn't watched a single episode of this show before a month ago. Then I watched _The Story so Far_ and have since purchased all the DVD sets and have finally made it through everything up to this season.

The names still aren't thoroughly registered.

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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:13 AM
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17. I know how that is!
I have a terrible time with names, particularly when a show has a large cast like this one does.

Speaking of which, I look forward to meeting the new pilot come episode seven!
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