GD: They sky is falling, we've lost the Senate. Blame The Gays.

[LeftyMom]

:eyes:

I would like to hereby apologize to anybody who pointed out homophobia on DU for any time I might not have seen it or thought you were seeing a bigger problem than there was. This is completely fucking ridiculous, but at least a lot of people are showing their true colors.

[jonnyblitz]

1. so i am not overreacting when I fume when i read those

threads? I am about to go *off* or take a self imposed break from DU for a few days...

I appreciate your comments. I have seen them. thanks! :hug:

[LeftyMom]

2. Not at all.

Fuck, I feel betrayed by shit like that, and I could get married today if I felt like it. It's a violation of Democratic principles, not to mention just plain nasty and indecent.

edit: Nobody's going to downplay the need for equality of my friends and people that I love while I can yell and march and type. I'm shocked so few here feel that way. :(

[Elidor]

3. I'm not going in there for a few weeks

The drama is just too much.

[LeftyMom]

4. Probably a good idea

I really expected a civil and celebratory thread, with some analysis of the ruling and at worst some argument over the marriage v. civil unions question it leaves unanswered. I was floored by the actual threads.

[LostinVA]

19. THAT'S what pisses me off

THe trolls are fair-weather "Dems" didn't even let us celebrate and savor -- they attacked and PUKED all over the ruling. Sickening sociopaths.

[WindRavenX]

5. fuck them

Seriously, fuck them. Unbelievable.

And yes, it IS homophobia.

[LeftyMom]

7. Absolutely.

And the next time somebody tells me this place hasn't crept rightward, I'm pointing to that shit.

[Poll_Blind]

6. My question: Ok, so it's not likely that the homophobia is coming...

...from the far left. So what part of the Democratic spectrum is likely to have problems with this? Is this "centrists"? I'm assuming in good faith all 100% of people with these sentiments are voting Democratic, are Democrats.

  So what segment of the Democratic "population" spectrum do they represent?

PB

[WindRavenX]

8. the "I'm as smart as a pound of rocks" demographic?

Just sayin'.


(can you tell I'm hella pissed about some people's responses to this great victory today?)

[LeftyMom]

9. I don't know.

The one thing they all have in common seems to be that they think this is a battle for votes and not a battle to improve lives and save our country. Votes are a tool, and they only matter when we fight with the determination of dying men for that which matters to us.

[LostinVA]

20. "I think I'm a Dem but I'm really a Freeper" population

Seriously.

They aren't Dems of any stripe, not matter what they may think.

[lildreamer316]

35. I really swear, Lost,

that they don't even THINK they are Dems.
I'm here to tell ya...we've been invaded by more than just a few you-know-whats.
And I am irritated that I can't call them out; although I understand the rules in principle.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

37. The scary thing is many of them are long-time donating posters

with thousands of posts spewing this shit.

[LostinVA]

48. Some of them are long-time posters

Which is even more scary and frustrating, eh?

[billyskank]

43. I thought "far left" meant extreme socialism

and there is no rule that says socialists have to be progressive. It is quite possible to be a homophobic sexist lefty.

:shrug:

[RevolutionaryActs]

10. Do I even want to go look?

I always have a sick curiosity to see what's going on in GD, but this sounds like it'll really piss me off. x(

[LostinVA]

22. No -- it will enrage and sicken you

Stay here and flirt with me instead.

[RevolutionaryActs]

27. That sounds like a most excellent plan.

Except I have to log off at 9 to watch Lost. :P

[LostinVA]

29. It sucked -- everybody died

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[RevolutionaryActs]

30. Shut up!

You're worse than gray! x(

See if I flirt with you now. :P

[LostinVA]

47. Come on, baby...

Hey, Lynne is sending me Tastykake pies... maybe I can get you to send me some smoked pepper/garlic salmon from Pike PLace Market...

I'd like to make it back out there in the next year or so... we may have to have a mini DU meetup if I can.

[SOteric]

11. Bunch o' poopyheads.

Let's all hold hands and sing Kum-ba-ya.

[ThomCat]

12. The homophobia gets pretty blatant at times.

x(

This is a public discussion board. We get a very broad range of people here. I sometimes remind myself that we have to grit our teeth and play nice with people because we mostly agree (supposedly).

[mduffy31]

13. Really why does anyone care?

If gay people want to get married. They have every right to be a miserable as the rest of us.
































Can you tell I am still bitter about the state of my marriage?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

14. My personal favorite amongst those people are the ones from some bumfuck

state informing me, a life-time NJ resident, from a family who used to be extremely active in local & state political campaigns, informing me how people in NJ vote and what they care about. Umm...sorry, but I think I have more experience with the state than they do.

[sendero]

15. I'm not sure I agree..

... just because someone thinks something will be perceived negatively by voters doesn't mean that they perceive it that way.

I don't think this ruling will mean squat vote-wise, because I don't believe the majority of Americans are in fact homophobes. The fundie dumbasses will cry in their non-alcoholic beer, and the rest of us will cheer a court decision that is as American as apple pie.

[Radical Activist]

16. meh

What does the homophobic vote do? On the one hand you have the NJ decision...on the other hand you have Foley. Maybe they'll give up and stay home. I hope so. I think the anti-gay issue is only going to work for the Republicans for one or two more election cycles before it starts to hurt them more than it helps them. Then at least some of the bullshit will stop.

[AlCzervik]

17. sad, thats about the 4th negative thread that i've seen today

about the NJ decision, i'm sure there were many more. We're supposed to be the good guys.

[LostinVA]

18. Apology accepted, LM -- but it didn't need to be given

You're one of the good guys... even if you don't eat marshmallows.

At least this time it's overt, instead of the nudge-nudge stuff we jump on people about and then get reamed by other posters for being mean, etc.

Some posts in DU are literally sickening to me -- like a white supremacist posting on an NAACP board.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

23. I'm telling you vegan marshmallows are just as good.

:9

Some of these posters however are sickening. They're not homophobes though, ya know, since they have a gay friend/uncle/whatever. They want us to have our rights, just at some undetermined date in the future when they feel it's appropriate.

[LostinVA]

24. My favorite are the ones who have nursed several gay friends

through the end stages of AIDS... whatever. Their stories are 15 years out of date... they need to not use "And the Band Played On" for their source material.

I have "DEms" in my family who think interracial marriage shouldn't be allowed -- because of "the children." LOving vs, VIrginia was 37 years ago.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

25. Well, I think that movie was on LOGO recently.

Some of them must've watched it, and they act like AIDS is purely a gay disease.

[LostinVA]

28. I know, and that people still die from it left and right in the US

[LeftyMom]

33. I have vegan marshmallows.

I have vegan white chocolate chips.

I even had vegan donuts, but I don't anymore. :(

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

36. I can get vegan donuts whenever I want.

:P

[LeftyMom]

38. I can too

Mighty-o ships. I sent flvegan some for an early b'day present. His other present is a shirt. :)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

39. Yeah, but I just have to go to the store.

:P

[LostinVA]

49. That all soundsso un-American...

Where's the dairy? Where's the MEAT? Damn.... an American without fired pork rinds... I shudder in terror just thinking about it...

[RoyGBiv]

21. Better known as ...

Divide and conquer.

It's all bullshit.

I'm a firm believer in the utility of practical politics. I'm also know that some use the concept as an excuse...for what I won't mention because this *is* the Lounge.

See a victory? Tear it down. That's the way of some people.

[libnnc]

26. You don't need to apologize to me, hon...

I just don't understand why those party poopers think that we queers have some kind of super-duper magical control of the judicial calender in New Joi-sey :eyes:

Some folks just like to pee in our Lucky Charms.

[LeftyMom]

31. You mean you dont?

I'm disappointed now.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

32. Actually, didn't you get the gay agenda memo?

NJ gays aligned with Samantha Stephens to control the birthday of that judge, so that she would be forced to retire two weeks before the election, thereby selfishly destroying the hopes of those in Fundieland.

[libnnc]

46. Well you KNOW Uncle Arthur had something to do with it too...

You just can't trust those stinking fairies--dropping their magic fairy dust all over the damn place.

[njdemocrat106]

34. Bunch of pessimists over in GD.

I'm feeling very hopeful for winning control of the Senate, the most hopeful I've felt in a while. I really think McCaskill will pull it off over Senator No-Talent, and I'm more hopeful that my Senator (Menendez) will win, as well. And what do gays have to do with taking back the Senate?

[BBLouise]

40. I very much agree with you. If the Democrats are afraid of labels by Republicans

then they are bound to lose! The they are afraid to take stances on GLBT then they will lose!

[Withywindle]

41. God, those posts make me sick!

So which is it, homophobes? Is it a "fringe, special interest" issue that no REAL people really care about, or is it the red nuclear button that's going to bring about the Dem apocalypse?

Trying to have it both ways. Like those fundies who say homosexuality is "unnatural" and then when you point out it's been observed in 1500 animal species, say "Well, we should rise above our animal natures."

Just grasping at any straws to not have to question their own ignorance and bigotry and total indifference to the oppression of others as long as it doesn't directly affect THEM.

Funny, DU collectively goes off so easily in a froth whenever there's a perception that some politician might be selling out essential values and principles for political gain. Rightly so, but sometimes I think there's a hair trigger and it's unfair. And yet there are those here who want to do the exact same thing, baldly and boldly, and get flamey and defensive when they're called on it.

[Hippo_Tron]

42. People in GD need to learn to be careful what they wish for

I posted a whole thread about how this is all fucking ridiculous. Everybody's so damn worried that this will somehow fuel the religious right to turn out on election day when really they have no evidence to prove one way or another. Frankly I think that if any professional pundit tries to predict how this effect the election, about half of that prediction will be based on completely non scientific factors and pure guessing. There's simply too much unknown here. Furthermore, it's not like they could've postponed this seeing as the Menendez campaign doesn't control the NJ Supreme Court.

The decision was a step in the right direction for equal rights and how it effects the election doesn't matter because it was completely beyond our control. People need to leave it at that and get back to focusing on how we can win in November rather than predicting our defeat 2 weeks early.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

44. A new low has been achieved.

In GD: P, now only are gays screwing up the election, but we have a Gay Agenda that we're pushing too hard. We want too many rights.

[Vidar]

45. Impeach Pelosi, smoke beer, dinos rule, drink guns! Sillier than

the lounge these days--& not a good silly.

[LostinVA]

50. I didn't know you could smoke beer

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

54. There is however smoked beer. It is tres good.

It's really hard to find though.

[LostinVA]

55. I have NEVER heard of that -- OMG!!!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

56. It's a dark German beer.

Anyway, I first had it at this bizarre little bar in NJ which can hold about 25 people, yet inexplicably has over 100 beers. The only other place I've found it is at Whole Foods.

www.smokebeer.com

[LostinVA]

59. I'm going there this weekend -- do you rem,em,ber the name?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

60. This is the label:

It's sold by single pint bottles and the shelf price tag just says, "smoke beer."

[LostinVA]

61. Great -- thanks!

[terrya]

51. There is homophobia here.

And quite frankly, it saddens me more than anything. I always thought that the Republicans were the bigots. Not us.

[meegbear]

52. I'm still fucking pissed about this shit in 2004 ...

we lost the election, it's the gays fault.

This shit better not happen again this year.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

53. i posted a thread there so we can go celebrate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2484427

[calico1]

57. I agree and I think it is very sad.

I ask myself "why is there even a DU when we aren't much different from the right wingers?" :-(

[Crazy Dave]

58. I got attacked (verbally) by about 40 people in GD

When I said that I thought the Reverend Fred Phelps should spend his own money suing the state of Missouri claiming his anti-gay protests at soldiers funerals was free and protected speech instead of the ACLU using it's member's dues to fight for him. Oh boy the so-called "card carrying" members did not like me giving "my" opinion about the ACLU doing that.