If you are willing to literally shoot another person for a PS3-- die.

[WindRavenX]

Seriously, I'm a hard core gamer and I AM going to get a PS3 (next year, and hopefully cheaper) with my SO.

WTF is wrong with people who are KILLING each other for the damn thing?

Fucking consumerism.

[Reverend_Smitty]

1. Aren't the first editions of these consoles always shit anyway?

I would imagine the people who shoot to get one of these are the ones who are trying to make a profit and not so much gamers, but who knows there are all sorts of loony types out there. I'm personally waiting until it comes down into the $200's, because $600 blue ray capabilities or not is outrageous

[WindRavenX]

3. the PS2 had some issues when it first came out

The second gen. PS2 is hella small and problems fixed. I'm totally waiting for the bugs to get worked out, and MGS4 is going to be released not for a long time.

[Reverend_Smitty]

12. I usually only play sports games anyway...

I would imagine the PS3 version of Madden looks great but the TV I have it hooked up on isn't a flat panel HDTV. So until I get one of those in my bedroom, I'm sure I would be missing out on a bit of the PS3's charm. At least $600 worth of charm

I'm dreadful at the first person shooters, I try playing them but I spend most of my time spinning around in circles shooting at no one because I'm unable to aim properly...lol. They were much easier on NES

[WindRavenX]

13. I hate FPS

I like RPGs and Mario games. PS3 and Wii is going to rock-- did you know on the Wii you can download ALL first party Nintendo games??? :D :D :D

[Reverend_Smitty]

16. Now that is a cool thing!

I've been off of Nintendo since SNES and strictly a Playstation person but that feature on the Wii is pretty damn neat

[Pithlet]

22. Yes. I want one just for that reason.

There are a lot of old Nintendo games that I loved, and I'd love to play them again.

[Initech]

4. That, plus a lack of games that show off what the system is capable of.

Hell, I remember when the N64 and the Super Nintendo systems first came out, and both systems had literally 3 games a piece when they first came out. So yeah, no matter which system I wind up getting (be it the PS3, XBOX 360, or Nintendo Wii), I'm waiting until there's games I actually want to play.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Right.

Like people haven't been shooting each other for pocket change for hundreds of years.

[WindRavenX]

5. ?

You don't see someone shooting someone for a game system to be a little...grotesque? I mean, yeah, outrageous acts of inhumanity happen all the time for somewhat pointless reasons. But there's something really, really fucked about this.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. WindRaven, about 15 years ago...

Tennis shoes started getting expensive, over $100. That was a lot to pay for tennis shoes back then. A lot of people were up in arms over how much people were paying for shoes. "OH! Kids today with their complicated shoes!" old folks would complain. Then there was a case where some inner city kid was shot and killed and his new expensive shoes were stolen. And people were up in arms about that, "oh, kids today are shooting each other for their complicated shoes!" Never mind that people had been killing each other for their shoes, and a lot less since the history of shoes. It's nothing new, they just used it as an excuse to complain about over priced shoes and consumerism in society, usually while wearing $100 loafers themselves.

[WindRavenX]

10. oh, that's equally as bad

Killing someone over an object like tennis shoes or CDs...just fucked up.

15 years ago...I was 6 :o

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. My point is, WindRaven...

that every day all across the country, people out walking at night are mugged and shot and stabbed, and whatever valuables they happen to have on them- jewelry, shoes, change for the bus, are taken.

It's got nothing to do with CDs, or shoes, or PS3s.

[WindRavenX]

15. I know your point

Your point is that consumerism is the violent force, yes?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. No.

Fucking hunger and desperation are the violent force.

These stories are used by some consumers to complain about products for other consumers. It's got nothing to do with violence or crime.

[WindRavenX]

21. ...and isn't that why this is fucked up?

This isn't out of desperation, need, or necessity-- it's out of blind greed. The fact that we have people who are literally dying in the streets from hunger and we have these knuckleheads tear each other up for 600$ worth of media is somewhat apalling.

I don't see what the issue is classifying this behavior as bad :shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Ugh, you're completely missing the point.

The people stealing the PS3s, and the shoes, and the jewelry and so on are the ones that are hungry and desperate. They're not shooting people to play games, they're shooting people to get the $600 black box that they can pawn, or sell on E-bay.

[WindRavenX]

24. Ahhhh

I see your point now.

Do be aware that there have been parents writting LTTE explicity saying they were buying the PS3-- at any cost-- for their children, which is nothing new. This happened with the xbox, the PS2, etc.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. There you go.

This isn't really about people mugging each other for valuables. This is about a consumer product which some people think is over priced.

[WindRavenX]

26. See, what's confusing is that I thought we were talking about the same...

...aspect of this issue rather than the explicit area of people who use violence to get the thing for profit; I've been fed up with parents who are spending this type of money on their children for insane amounts of money and even physical violence.

Man, I feel so dumb now...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Well, most PS3 buyers...

are going to be in their twenties and thirties, and their going to be buying it for themselves.

I have seen letters to editors by consumers about how they'll spend $600 on the platform, but that's mostly because there's much debate about whether or not the market will bear it.

There are/were a lot of people that said that nobody's going to pay $600 for electronic entertainment.

Personally, I disagree with that.

For example, how much did you pay for the computer you're on now?

[WindRavenX]

32. 1,000$ (HP Pavallion)

Pretty good so far, I've had it for 3 years.But it's my only computer and it's for school. I do think people will spend several thousands of dollars if they can convinced that they genuinely need the product-- which is why it's frustrating to hear parents say they *need* to by the system for their kid. That's my beef. My parents often did not give me exactly what I wanted, and I'm fine. There's a sense of entitlement to people when it comes these things...I mean, I'm going to get a PS3, but I know I don't need it nor can I afford it.

[Montauk6]

6. Oh jeez, don't tell me we have a casualty already?

[WindRavenX]

7. I believe a few people are in the hospital, and there have been a few shootings

Seriously, I'm a gamer, and if I had the money I'd probably camp out or something-- but trample other people? :wtf: I can wait-- the system isn't THAT important.

[Phillycat]

8. Well, that's not exactly how it went down.

There was several armed robberies of people waiting in line to buy one. Which, really, (and maybe I have a criminal mind), makes sense. You have 50 or 100 unarmed people waiting in line, outside, at night, with no security around, with potentially $600 on them (yes, some people will use credit cards, but some still pay with cash). I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened before, especially with people camping out for concert tickets (for which you often have to pay cash).

So, anyway, my point is, they weren't killing each other over the games. They were robbing people who were sitting ducks with probably lots of cash.

EDITED TO ADD: and the woman who was shot in New England (can't remember exactly where) was shot because she wouldn't give up her $600 (all the rest of the people in line handed over their money).

[WindRavenX]

11. CT

It was just on CNN.

[jobycom]

17. As opposed to shooting someone over some other material posession?

:shrug:

[WindRavenX]

19. Of course not

Greed and blind consumerism is bad no matter what the object.

[WindRavenX]

20. Of course not

Greed and blind consumerism is bad no matter what the object.

[YankeyMCC]

27. The pettier the issue the more

vehement the argument.

[LaraMN]

28. When I worked at Wal-Mart, back in "the day," we had physical altercations

occuring between customers (punching, pushing, people ripping items from children's hands, etc) over Furbies and Tickle-Me-Elmos, I believe. It was so disgusting that it all but ruined my feelings about the holidays that year. I see we've come a long way...
:eyes:

[ContraBass Black]

29. It was a robbery for money, not for the game system.

The victims were waiting to buy the PS3.

[Phillycat]

31. Exactly, that's what I was trying to say above.

This isn't about consumerism, or buying the hot toy for your kid this Christmas. It's about sitting ducks in a parking lot with a lot of cash on them.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

33. They didn't shoot the guy for a PS3

They were mugging all the people waiting in line overnight for a PS3.

Not to split hairs, here. It's still an awful, savage, ridiculous thing. But it should be pointed out that they shot the guy over money -- not a PS3.